Reasons why Jon popped (from a PED user)

[Hardkore]

Natural fighters tend to crash and burn after a while. Look at your boy BJ penn.

BJ had a long career and took some brutal beatings along the way

 

[Hardkore]

Was a great thread until Coolidge decided to promoted himself as the official Repository of Semantic Linguistics for this thread and started psycho-analysing everyones posts as to what they really meant with all the gusto of a seagull on a chip

Yet he wants USADA to investigate Jackson Wink and their fighters, but can't conceive the thought of top flight athletes actually using PED's....

 

[Hardkore]

He likely takes various shit to heal injuries and for stamina. Look up some of the baseball players on PEDs or hell, even pics of Josh Barnett.

A lot of guys don't understand the a lot the peds are for recovery and healing before, during, or after a training session/camp. Not everyone is going to look like Olympia

 

[MisterFists]

More evidence you have a very low IQ. You can't accept you're wrong and will just dig in. Enjoy staying stupid.

That other guy quoted from this site.

http://pediaa.com/difference-between-evidence-and-proof/

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Clearly, this allows for nuances.

 

[Vicky]

Please don't take steroids unless recommended and prescribed by your physician for a disease/disorder/medical condition. Please don't take them just for vanity or other non-medically necessary reasons. Don't take them based on a recommendation of a bodybuilder, coach, stranger on the internet, etc... Also ask your prescribing physician about potential side effects both short term and long term.

However at the same time, I also think that adults should be able to do almost whatever they want to themselves as long as it doesn't affect/harm others. I would hope they would know the potential consequences (side effects) and be able to deal with the consequences without having to rely on others (tax payer/health care/etc).

 

[Zeppeling]

If he's not using insane levels, the health consequences could be very minor. 40 year olds getting TRT (not Vitor's "TRT", just a bump up) are probably fine. Guys like Piana (RIP), probably not.

He said he was a bodybuilder and now a weightlifter, I doubt he's taking doctor recommended maintenance test

 

[Cooliox]

OK guys, I'm a former bodybuilder and now a powerlifter. Been on peds for 3 years now, and studied them a lot.

Argument "Jon Jones must have took turinabol after the weigh ins cause he passed all the test before that" is not valid.

1) They don't test for everything every time.
2) There are masking agents that help prevent detection
3) Some things you won't detect in urine but will in blood
4) Many athletes who failed a drug test said they were on 5 different things that didn't pop up on the test (Ben Johnson)
5) Mirko admited use of small amounts of HGH and then passed the test.

Turinabol metabolites stay captured in your fat cells for up to 250 days. You start a weight cut and something you took like 7 months ago and you think you don't need to mask anymore cause it's out of your system - well surprise!

I've seen people who i know use pass the tests no problem not even trying to hide it.

Why would he use Turinabol? Well i guess he had an efficient way of hiding it, so it was a good choice. Miscalculated a few things and there you go. Probably if the fight was at HW and he didn't have to cut weight he would pass the test.

As Sonnen said - if you're in this world the moment the guy takes his shirt off - you know whats up.

That being said - there is not one top athlete in the world that is clean. Everybody is looking for an edge.

Artists take drugs for inspiration. Orchestra musicians beta blockers. Archers, swimmers, table tenis...

There are designer drugs that cannot be detected. They are moleculaly alterd versions of the cheap stuff I get and that's why I pay my stuff 100$ a month, and Marion Jones paid her stuff 20 000$. And She never failed a test. Lance Armstrong never failed a test.

Jon was reckless. That is all.

- This is my opinion from expirience and knowing certain things and people. Maybe I'm wrong, but there is a big chance I'm completely right.

EDIT: - https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/probably-the-best-ped-insights-you-will-ever-see-in-this-interview.412846/

Thanks for taking the time, but you provided no inside knowledge whatsoever. You shared general information... and quoted other people (irrelevant at times), you generalized that everyone juices, and then you made some baseless comparisons to other professions.

Your SUPER diagnosis after sharing all that was that "Jon was reckless... because Why would he use Turinabol? Well i guess he had an efficient way of hiding it, so it was a good choice. Miscalculated a few things and there you go. Probably if the fight was at HW and he didn't have to cut weight he would pass the test."

Your words... just entirely stupid and depthless. sorry to be honest.

We have guys like dimspace doing proper breakdowns. You don't need to pretend to have subject knowledge to share useless information. Beats the whole purpose of sharing.

Sorry to have to be up front with you about this, but I'm just here to point out the bullshit so younger members who get easily influenced, don't buy into bullshit just because someone on a forum said "I train PEDs bro, listen to me..."

Peace;

 

[kingJohn]

Did you not read the OP? Your critical thinking skills need further development

But why male models?

 

[Cooliox]

I don't smoke, I don't drink. Many people do. Smoking and drinking - zero good effects, thousands bad. People die of smoking. And they just do it for no reason.

I believe that if you use peds smart - you will only be healthier. How bad can something that repairs your muscle, bones and joints faster be?

Like I said. People KNOW smoking will take like 15 years of their life and they do it just for what? Nothing.
Certainly there are more PROs then CONs for 500mg os testosterone weekly.

And you have to know the difference between using and abusing.

See, this is what I mean. Just because someone juices doesn't make them a qualified expert on the matter. This one is stupid as fuck. "Oh smoking is bad, so I inject steroids instead"

Boy shut the fuck up and stop spreading your nonsense. Stop trying to make it seem like steroids are harmless just to feed some void in your lose skull. You're invoking physical harm on people by advising this shit. fuck you, faker.

 

[Hardkore]

But why male models?

What are you blubbering about

 

[Hardkore]

See, this is what I mean. Just because someone juices doesn't make them a qualified expert on the matter. This one is stupid as fuck. "Oh smoking is bad, so I inject steroids instead"

Boy shut the fuck up and stop spreading your nonsense. Stop trying to make it seem like steroids are harmless just to feed some void in your lose skull. You're invoking physical harm on people by advising this shit. fuck you, faker.

What's the difference between what he uses and what Rogan, Dana, and Lorenzo uses?

 

[Hardkore]

He said he was a bodybuilder and now a weightlifter, I doubt he's taking doctor recommended maintenance test

You ever see the before pics of Rogan and Lorenzo?

 

[Squintz]

Pics of Doctorate degree and roided power lifter or neither happened.

 

[Zeppeling]

You ever see the before pics of Rogan and Lorenzo?

Neither are they though...lol

 

[Hardkore]

Thanks for taking the time, but you provided no inside knowledge whatsoever. You shared general information... and quoted other people (irrelevant at times), you generalized that everyone juices, and then you made some baseless comparisons to other professions.

Your SUPER diagnosis after sharing all that was that "Jon was reckless... because Why would he use Turinabol? Well i guess he had an efficient way of hiding it, so it was a good choice. Miscalculated a few things and there you go. Probably if the fight was at HW and he didn't have to cut weight he would pass the test."

Your words... just entirely stupid and depthless. sorry to be honest.

We have guys like dimspace doing proper breakdowns. You don't need to pretend to have subject knowledge to share useless information. Beats the whole purpose of sharing.

Sorry to have to be up front with you about this, but I'm just here to point out the bullshit so younger members who get easily influenced, don't buy into bullshit just because someone on a forum said "I train PEDs bro, listen to me..."

Peace;

I like dimspace, but what exactly are his qualifications? Unless he's a scientist or an expert in analysis, he could be just as informed as the TS.

The TS never said he was an expert, he's basing his opinion on his own experiences.

 

[Hardkore]

Pics of Doctorate degree and roided power lifter or neither happened.

Are we on PubMed or sherdog? Because no where did I see that he was publishing an medical thesis.

 

[west42]

A trt dose is about 100mg a week for someone who actually needs it. Ts is taking 5x that and most likely doesnt have a test deficiency. At least he didnt before roiding.
I dont disagree in therapeutic doses it's probably without much consequence

What's the difference between what he uses and what Rogan, Dana, and Lorenzo uses?

What's the difference between what he uses and what Rogan, Dana, and Lorenzo uses?

 

[kingJohn]

What are you blubbering about

 

[Sage NorthGOAT]

Im pretty sure ALL hormones are fat soluable and stay in the system for a long time. I assume its the same case with man made roids as well. I may be wrong though

Not talking about peptides and stuff like that, and i donno about prohormones.

 

[Ballsaque]

Damn.... Why the hell would someone take a drug that stays in your system for 250 days on fight night when they knew they would be drug tested by USADA???

Why would someone sniff coke and run their car into a pregnant lady?