Opinion Realistically speaking how much longer do you expect the US to be the most powerful nation?

[Jack V Savage]

Neither here nor there, but American ag is shockingly productive these days. Just the fact that we have the Mississippi watershed (transport by water is much cheaper than by land) with a natural bug kill off(winter) means the US will never not be relevant, in a world where many nations have to import food.

At the time that productivity in the sector was exploding and farm employment first cratered, I wonder if there were people who thought that elites were trying to get rid of farmers. Might be that people weren't really aware of the numbers.

 

[DespicablePeep]

China relies far more on the US than vice versa. .

There is a bigger picture, China is becoming key partner to a lot of countries.

 

[Jack V Savage]

What's the "idea of America"? What do we do when people who live here don't share this idea? Who decides what this idea is, and who decides when it changes? Such an idea is incompatible with liberalism.

Meaning is always communal, because identity is socially negotiated. What you are saying is that you prefer informal structures handle issues of meaning and purpose, and the government instead ought to be some kind of referee. That is just not possible- every law and policy assumes values and asserts them, and ours right now is autonomy, which is itself incoherent.

The idea of America is liberalism, basically. Remember that the nation was created with an explicit charter.

Disagree about the possibility of liberal governance. Further, to the extent that you're right, there's nothing to worry about from your perspective. What exactly is the fear you have? Freedom, prosperity and individualism don't work as governing principles so what's going to happen?

 

[grimballer]

with so much self hate going on.... 20 years max?

 

[Sauron]

That does not mean they are going to match the West technologically. The UAE is rich but technologically they are far behind any European nation, the US, Japan and Korea.

Throwing money at R&D does not mean a nation is necessarily going to be at the cutting edge of tech. The USSR put all their resources into defense tech and surpassing the West, but they were always behind, except for the early days of space exploration.

I think your analogies are all wrong.

The UAE is rich but it was funded by oil. Their model couldn't be more different to China. They are not a manufacturing economy. They are a regional hub for airlines, finance and services; with a small population and 90% of their population are ex-pats who are paid high salaries with low taxes.

The USSR was a command based economy but it's power came from its military strength. They still had excellent academics who were responsible for all kinds of discoveries.

There's quite a big different between inventors and innovation. An innovation is effectively the monetising of an idea. Sort of like Ray Kroc seeing the potential of mcdonalds. That's obviously where the money comes in.

China is not like the UAE or the Soviet Union. It's economy is a genuine competitor to the USA. And like this thread says it's extremely likely that it will overtake the US economy in the next 5 to 10. You shouldn't think of them like the soviet union. You should see them more like the US. I have no doubt that them throwing money and R&D at a problem will eventually pay dividends. Why do I believe this? Because that's what every company does. I'm not sure why you think China is any different. Do you think they are always going to be inferior? If you do how do you explain the time period when the Chinese economy was the biggest in the world.

 

[grimballer]

I think your analogies are all wrong.

The UAE is rich but it was funded by oil. Their model couldn't be more different to China. They are not a manufacturing economy. They are a regional hub for airlines, finance and services; with a small population and 90% of their population are ex-pats who are paid high salaries with low taxes.

The USSR was a command based economy but it's power came from its military strength. They still had excellent academics who were responsible for all kinds of discoveries.

There's quite a big different between inventors and innovation. An innovation is effectively the monetising of an idea. Sort of like Ray Kroc seeing the potential of mcdonalds. That's obviously where the money comes in.

China is not like the UAE or the Soviet Union. It's economy is a genuine competitor to the USA. And like this thread says it's extremely likely that it will overtake the US economy in the next 5 to 10. You shouldn't think of them like the soviet union. You should see them more like the US. I have no doubt that them throwing money and R&D at a problem will eventually pay dividends. Why do I believe this? Because that's what every company does. I'm not sure why you think China is any different. Do you think they are always going to be inferior? If you do how do you explain the time period when the Chinese economy was the biggest in the world.

china is more like nazis germany = national socialism. they allow free market, but heavily regulated and all the decisions are made for the well being of the nation.

western free market democracies can't compete with that.

the only way china loses is if ppl within start demanding more freedom and social justice.

 

[Denter]

At the time that productivity in the sector was exploding and farm employment first cratered, I wonder if there were people who thought that elites were trying to get rid of farmers. Might be that people weren't really aware of the numbers.

They did flex their political power at the time- look at all the ag exemptions, special laws, etc throughout state and federal law.

 

[monster zero]

There is a bigger picture, China is becoming key partner to a lot of countries.

Economic flexing is 100x more useful than military might.

China can silence a nation without firing a single round.

America spent 2 trillion in Afghanistan, a nation of cave dwellers and are leaving due to stalemate.

Giant L for America. China just winning ez.

 

[Russky]

China manufacturing is already 5x to the US.
Science is on par and growing.
Education quality is higher.
They are weaker on military side, but this gap is closing and Russia is backing them meanwhile.
Once they secure this and start crediting countries in yuans the dollar trade will be over.

 

[Denter]

china is more like nazis germany = national socialism. they allow free market, but heavily regulated and all the decisions are made for the well being of the nation.
This is actually a decent comparison.
western free market democracies can't compete with that.

the only way china loses is if ppl within start demanding more freedom and social justice.

This is actually a decent comparison.

 

[Proud American]

At the time that productivity in the sector was exploding and farm employment first cratered, I wonder if there were people who thought that elites were trying to get rid of farmers. Might be that people weren't really aware of the numbers.

Look at the number of corporate farms now. Vs family owned.

especially with dairy farms.

didn’t you hear that bill gates bought up tons of farmland in Washington?

 

[ShinkanPo]

Ofcourse China has a plan, but like the USSR they are not on the technological forefront, and if the West decides to wake up and decouple from China, China will be in big trouble.

But when will the wesht wake up?

 

[Beechwood]

It isn't Democrats who want to export US manufacturing , it is the whole GOP / DNC establishment and Corporate America. It was Nixon who welcomed China. It was Bush Jnr who signed the Permanent Normal Trading Relations law (permanent Most Favored Nation status) for China that allowed American corps. to increase outsourcing.

I was thinking here with more contemporary times. With former President Trump there was a push to bring back manufacturing to America, from China, from Mexico and elsewhere overseas. Efforts to help bring that about were corporate tax rates were lowered to make America more competitive in the world. Business strangling regulations were lowered. Energy prices came down as domestic energy firms had the support of the Trump administration. Tariffs were put in place in some circumstances.

 

[Denter]

The idea of America is liberalism, basically. Remember that the nation was created with an explicit charter.

Disagree about the possibility of liberal governance. Further, to the extent that you're right, there's nothing to worry about from your perspective. What exactly is the fear you have? Freedom, prosperity and individualism don't work as governing principles so what's going to happen?

Because I'd much rather have a soft landing than a hard one.

 

[Letssnuggle]

The left just criticizes White Nationalism and Patriarchy.

When it’s militant blacks burning our businesses.

That’s his entire point.

 

[Cariñito]

We need to fuck, and we need to fuck all the time.
Our women need our fucks. Do you people give any fucks?
I sure fuckin do.

 

[MicroBrew]

When it’s militant blacks burning our businesses.

That’s his entire point.

I know his point. The right is wound up about BLM because it is 'those people' . The same right that would be blowing a fuse if the people who stormed the capital were Blacks egged on by Obama.

 

[Prefect]

Um, genius, immigration raises wages. The easiest way to boost our living standard is to just increase immigration numbers.

Yeah, that is why border towns are fucking Meccas and there isn't an ungodly number of people in IT who have trained in their H1-B visas replacements and then are immediately canned.

The Foreign-Born Population and Its Effects on the U.S. Economy and the Federal Budget—An Overview

"Immigration, whether legal or illegal, expands the labor force and changes its composition, leading to increases in total economic output—though not necessarily to increases in output per capita."

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/55967

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

3 years should be enough time to finish us off.

 

[gluehuffer1776]

The best thing to happen would be for the United States to Balkanize. It is pretty obvious we cant live together and that multi culturalism is a failed experiment. We should all just go our own ways