Opinion Rank the US presidents from best to worst From 1981 until now.

[blaseblah]

So many people having Reagan as the top is pathetic honestly.

Deregulations of banks
Lead to the regression of the Republican party
Supported gun bans
Regressive tax policies on the rich
Destabilized the middle east.

He also gave illegal immigrants amnesty and got rid of the Fairness Doctrine. I think I don't think the modern right wing voter would support Reagan if they actually looked into what he did. The party has gone very far right since then.

 

[Jack V Savage]

7 atrocious presidents, I don't even know how to rank them all. They are all terrible for different reasons. Reagan and Clinton economic deregulation was horrendous. Bush and Obama were terrible on foreign policy. Trump mishandled the pandemic and doesn't believe in democracy. And Biden is incompetent and not handling the pandemic either. I'd probably put Bush Jr as the worst.

This is the kind of thing that someone who is completely clueless says to sound smart (or to virtue signal in this case). "Rank shortstops in the Major Leagues." "All shortstops in my lifetime are horrible and equally bad." Someone says that, you know that they don't know shit about baseball and are bullshitting. Same for presidents.

 

[blaseblah]

The damage of Reaganomics is long lasting, how anyone could have him near the top is beyond me (but then again, these same dolts think Trump was a good president)

Clinton
Obama
Bush Sr
Trump
Reagan
Bush Jr

Biden hasn't been president long enough to rank

Trump and Reagan are interchangeable. The sheer number of shitheads Trump has empowered to abandon reality could have lasting consequences

Clinton is almost as bad as Reagan:

Deregulated the banks
Deregulated the media, allowing the news to be taken over by corporations and push propaganda
Signed the Iraq Liberation Act
Bombed Afghanistan and ruined a deal to turn over Bin Laden
NAFTA

 

[DoctorDeelon]

I'm going to leave Biden out of this. I'd rank him near the bottom, but ultimately it's not fair to rank a guy who's been in office less than a year against guys who completed terms.

1. Reagan
2. Obama
3. Bush Sr
4. Clinton
5. Trump
6. Bush Jr

There are tiers here.

I would consider both Reagan and Obama ATG Presidents.

I consider George Bush Sr a very good president.

I consider Clinton a good president. He would have been very good or possibly ATG without the Monica Lewinski scandal.

I consider Trump a poor president. He did some good things, but his personality made him totally unfit to be POTUS and his numerous scandals made a mockery of the US.

I consider Bush Jr to be a very poor president, mainly due to points lost for the futile wars he started which cost trillions and, more importantly, the lives of thousands of American military servicemen and women. Over 7000 killed in Iraq and Afghanistan (over 4000 more lives lost than in the 9/11 attacks) and over 30,000 suicides of US servicemen and veterans post-9/11. Not to mention the untold thousands who live with PTSD or some other form of disability.

 

[blaseblah]

This is the kind of thing that someone who is completely clueless says to sound smart (or to virtue signal in this case). "Rank shortstops in the Major Leagues." "All shortstops in my lifetime are horrible and equally bad." Someone says that, you know that they don't know shit about baseball and are bullshitting. Same for presidents.

Name the president who you think hasn't been terrible and I'll educate you on the terrible things they did.

 

[Swiftie]

1. Reagan
2. Clinton
3. Bush Sr
4. Obama
5. Bush Jr
6. Biden ( still has years to improve)
7. Trump

 

[Jack V Savage]

Name the president who you think hasn't been terrible and I'll educate you on the terrible things they did.

You're missing the point entirely. If your thinking is "the president did something that had bad results, therefore he's a horrible person and president," you're just saying that you don't understand anything about the job. When it comes to foreign policy, for example, often doing nothing has horrible consequences, economic sanctions have horrible consequences, obviously bombing and sending troops have horrible consequences. It's an important job in part because it's literally impossible to know what the right thing to do is at all times and often no matter what you do (again, including doing nothing), there are going to be downsides. You have to have some kind of reasonable standard for judging decision-making, and often takes a lot of time to see the consequences of decisions (and even after they've played out, it's hard to really evaluate them). I think some are conspicuously good (Obama, for example, though he made several mistakes) or bad (like Trump), but it's generally a hard question to answer and "everyone sucks" or "everyone not in my party sucks" is a way for idiots to sidestep it.

 

[Tairy Hesticles]

So, Trump leaves office with 3300 people a day dying of COVID, life expectancy decreasing by 1.5 years, millions fewer people with health insurance and a net job loss in the millions and yet he's somehow better than Obama? Wow.

There are a lot of things to shit on Trump for, and I think Obama was a far superior president, but I don't think anyone was going to do a good job controlling COVID. I think more people have contracted it since Biden took over as well, but he had the good fortune of stepping into a world with a vaccine.

 

[blaseblah]

You're missing the point entirely. If your thinking is "the president did something that had bad results, therefore he's a horrible person and president," you're just saying that you don't understand anything about the job. When it comes to foreign policy, for example, often doing nothing has horrible consequences, economic sanctions have horrible consequences, obviously bombing and sending troops have horrible consequences. It's an important job in part because it's literally impossible to know what the right thing to do is at all times and often no matter what you do (again, including doing nothing), there are going to be downsides. You have to have some kind of reasonable standard for judging decision-making, and often takes a lot of time to see the consequences of decisions (and even after they've played out, it's hard to really evaluate them). I think some are conspicuously good (Obama, for example, though he made several mistakes) or bad (like Trump), but it's generally a hard question to answer and "everyone sucks" or "everyone not in my party sucks" is a way for idiots to sidestep it.

Somehow I don't think you'll be arguing that it's impossible to know what the right thing to do is in defense of Republican presidents. That doesn't really matter though. If their actions caused a bad outcome then objectively they were a bad president.

All of these choices are terrible for different reasons. It's a tough decision on whether to weigh foreign policy over economic policy and to what degree. Also I don't want to give anyone the privilege of being first out of this shit show.

If you really think I'm clueless then pick a president you think was good and I'll educate you on what I know about them. If not, you're just talking shit.

 

[Scheme]

Clinton
Reagan
Bush Sr.
Trump
Obama
Biden
Bush Jr.

 

[blaseblah]

You're missing the point entirely. If your thinking is "the president did something that had bad results, therefore he's a horrible person and president," you're just saying that you don't understand anything about the job. When it comes to foreign policy, for example, often doing nothing has horrible consequences, economic sanctions have horrible consequences, obviously bombing and sending troops have horrible consequences. It's an important job in part because it's literally impossible to know what the right thing to do is at all times and often no matter what you do (again, including doing nothing), there are going to be downsides. You have to have some kind of reasonable standard for judging decision-making, and often takes a lot of time to see the consequences of decisions (and even after they've played out, it's hard to really evaluate them). I think some are conspicuously good (Obama, for example, though he made several mistakes) or bad (like Trump), but it's generally a hard question to answer and "everyone sucks" or "everyone not in my party sucks" is a way for idiots to sidestep it.

Also lol. I scrolled through the thread and you didn't even rank them yourself. Nice one.

 

[steveflynn]

Why is it that only lefty Americans blame covid deaths on Trump? Why does ALL other countries people rightfully blame it on China? Sorry but America was ripe for the picking for this virus. High rates of obesity, smokers, etc etc.. Most of the people that died can only blame themselves.

How am I solely blaming deaths on him? And should he not get blamed for being POTUS when life expectancy dropped by nearly two years? When millions of fewer people had healthcare by the time he left office, etc. ? I mean, these are undoubtedly very, very bad metrics for a POTUS to have (quality of life and health way down under his watch). I mean taking his entire first term into account, annualized GDP was right around one percent, therefore how the hell can you even call him a good POTUS for the economy ? By pretending an entire year of his presidency never existed?

 

[steveflynn]

1. Reagan
2. Trump
3. Clinton
4. Bush Sr.
5. Obama
6. Bush Jr.
7. Biden

In the grand scheme of things they all suck though. Politicians don't work for their people.

Clinton absolutely blew Trump out of the water as far as the economy is concerned (jobs, GDP, etc.) it's utterly laughable you'd put him lower than Trump.

 

[steveflynn]

1. Bill Clinton - (I'll just leave this here.) https://clintonwhitehouse5.archives.gov/WH/Accomplishments/eightyears-01.html
2. Barack Obama
3. George H.W. Bush
4. Ronald Reagan
5. George W. Bush
6. Donald Trump

Biden is only 10 months into his term so it's pointless to place him anywhere.

Clinton's 8 years were an exceptional period in American history, powered partially by the burgeoning technological age as well as the dissolution of the USSR. His impeachment was an embarrassment, but is far overshadowed by his accomplishments.

Even though Reagan had Iran-Contra, a disgusting handling of the HIV epidemic, and awful economic policies, the fight for the bottom is between GWB and Trump. GWB inherited the best economy in US history and governed over the worst recession in 80 years, as well as the disastrous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Trump was an embarrassing idiot with horrible, anti-science policies, a revolving door cabinet, two impeachments, completely non-existent leadership during the BLM protests, and a truly horrendous handling of one of the worst pandemics in the nation's history. But that's not what wins him the bottom spot. The bottom spot belongs to Trump for attempting to destroy our Democracy to assuage his pathetic ego; a black mark in our nation's history, and a wound which continues to fester and spread amongst the populace. Nobody else on the list can touch the vileness Trump brought to Washington.

I honestly just think that recency bias affects certain people to a very high degree. Even taking the dot com bubble crash into account, the economy was exceptionally strong during Clinton's years in office, which, for whatever reasons, many people seem to elide.

 

[Pride23]

I can't rank Reagan or Bush Sr.

As of right now I have it

Clinton
Trump
Obama
Biden
Bush Jr

 

[Jack V Savage]

Somehow I don't think you'll be arguing that it's impossible to know what the right thing to do is in defense of Republican presidents. That doesn't really matter though. If their actions caused a bad outcome then objectively they were a bad president.

LOL, you were whining that I was too generous to W before. Just drop the dumb partisanship stuff and accept that people disagree with you because you're wrong (or at least that they genuinely think you are). And it's literally impossible for a president's actions not to have bad outcomes. You don't have any understanding of what real responsibility is.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Also lol. I scrolled through the thread and you didn't even rank them yourself. Nice one.

What did you understand me to be saying, genius?

 

[2fast2see]

Clinton would succeed, today, and the country would officially be the United Socialist States of America!

His charisma combined with the number of Leftist in power would demolish America as it's know today.

Keep in mind he proposed "Hillary Care" which was the same as Obamacare, but it failed.

Reagan gave us the "peace dividend" that resulted in a budget surplus that carried over to Clinton's presidency.
-It was Reagan's third term!

This is correct. Clinton has a legit chance to be number one. He was startlingly effective. He would fail completely in today's environment.

 

[heloder]

Reagan gave us the "peace dividend" that resulted in a budget surplus that carried over to Clinton's presidency.
-It was Reagan's third term!

Well congratulations on posting the dumbest thing I've heard all year. Reagan added $73 billion to the deficit during his term. George HW Bush (who you appear to have forgotten existed) added an additional $102.5 billion on top of that during his 4 years. Clinton inherited the $255 billion deficit and left office with a $128 billion surplus.

You might want to actually research this shit instead of just listening to what the retards in your Young Republican after school program told you.

 

[evansusmc2]

It's your Dear Leader recommending you drink bleach and stick a light bulb up your ass to cure Covid. No biggie.

Never did he mention "bleach" verbatim. Never did he say stick anything you anyone's ass. If you heard it that way than I feel sorry for your wife and kids.