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Randy Couture and his black belt from Neil Melanson

Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by ASMBJJ, Aug 31, 2010.

  1. ASMBJJ

    ASMBJJ Blue Belt

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    To start off, I would like to say that I am in no way questioning whether Neil Melanson is a skilled grappler and a good coach. In fact, I would love to have the opportunity to train with him sometime. I was just a bit shocked that he gave Randy a black belt after his submission victory over James Toney for two reasons. First off, subbing Toney was great and all, and it proved a point, but let's be honest. James Toney is not a world class grappler (or even average). Second, from what I understood, Melanson did most of his study in catch wrestling with Gokor and Karo Parisyan. I knew he had experience in jiu jitsu, as he is very skilled with the triangle choke, but never knew he was an official rank in BJJ. I was hoping that somebody on here who knows Neil or his lineage could tell who he got his black belt from. Again, not questioning his skills, knowledge, or anything for that matter. I know he's an awesome coach. just curious.
     
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    curb1850 Green Belt

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    The belt is not a BJJ black, its in his own grappling style.
     
  3. BJJ 619***

    BJJ 619*** White Belt

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    I agree... I wish I could get my blackbelt by taping out a white belt....


    Wait no, I actually want to earn mine the right way.
     
  4. Chalito

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    It's supposed to be a black belt in his own system I believe, but for some reason he decided to put a BJJ style belt around his neck instead of plain black one.
     
  5. ShindoNinja

    ShindoNinja faixa marrom

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    Randy definately understands the details of BJJ. Nog had him in tight positions and he escaped.
     
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    lakergirl52 Yellow Belt

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  7. ASMBJJ

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    I knew Melanson started his own system but from what i saw it was patches for no gi board shorts or something like that. That's why I was confused when he gave him an actual belt. Thanks for clarifying though!
     
  8. Mikey Triangles

    Mikey Triangles Bending Joints the Wrong Way Since 1985

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    Yeah, the black belt is in Neil's style that he teaches at Randy's school. Pretty slick marketing strategy to have Randy get his belt in the ring right after such a high profile fight.
     
  9. Rod1

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    I want to see you leave uscathed from having Lesnar on top and then surviving many sub attempts from big Nog of your back

    Frank Mir a BB left like Mr potato head from having Lesnar in halfguard
     
  10. InvertedBJJ

    InvertedBJJ Green Belt

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    It seems like Randy should be a BB in all forms of grappling due to his experience and skill level. But then againg I've never seen him in a gi..
     
  11. Mike Wilson Jr.

    Mike Wilson Jr. Amateur Fighter

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    In a GI, Randy would not be in the top 50% of BBs.

    Sure, 99% of them would have to play guard with Randy, and sweeping him would be extremely difficult. But i dont see Randy passing Roger, Xande, or Werdum's guard in the GI.

    Its a totally different game.
     
  12. nni

    nni Orange Belt

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    lol @ "white belts" questioning Randy's grappling credentials.
     
  13. aunshi189

    aunshi189 Purple Belt Platinum Member

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    Would be slicker if anyone seemed to be aware that it was for his own grappling style and not bjj. Even Sherdog articles are saying Randy got his BJJ blackbelt.
     
  14. philodox

    philodox Orange Belt

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    Wut?
     
  15. SuperSuperRambo

    SuperSuperRambo Senior Moderator Senior Moderator

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    So Neil has a no gi grappling system...why does he award belts when a belt isn't part of the uniform? I'm not trying to be a dick or say that it really was a BJJ BB (it wasn't although Sherdog and all the other MMA sites reported that it was). It just seems silly to award a belt when there's nowhere to put a belt. Why not award a certificate or something.
     
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    I don't see him passing it without the gi either. Most likely in either one he would be on top, either from a takedown or guard pull. But I wouldn't see him scoring any more points than that.

    Not that it matters for MMA, because his fighting style isn't based on passing.
     
  17. ChairmanKaga

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    honestly i think it was just a publicity stunt. He probably just thought that people would react better to a black belt as opposed to some kind of certificate.
     
  18. lechien

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    What can I say? the belt is so amusing.

    You can take the man out of the gi but you can't take the belt out of the man.
     
  19. Mike Wilson Jr.

    Mike Wilson Jr. Amateur Fighter

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    lol @ your reading comprehension.
     
  20. Red Harvest

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    It was a bit of a joke. They were laughing about it.
     

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