Rampage's slam on Bader illegal?

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  1. ImmigrantMentality

    ImmigrantMentality Blue Belt

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    Had no idea there was even some lame rule about spiking an opponent on their head until the Rose Andrade fight recently. Was Rampage's slam on Bader illegal then? Because I don't recall anyone saying anything about it
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    If that's not spiking someone on their head, then I don't know what is

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    The greatest slams in MMA history are they illegal by UFC rules?
     
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    That was actually a headbutt
     
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    That’s what Arona always said, it was the heabutt that knocked him out, not the slam. I’m not sure I ever bought that, I thought he was out when his head hit the deck, but he definitely got hit with Rampage’s not inconsiderable head as well.
     
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    MaureenCretis Black Belt

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    To answer the OP, all three of those could well have led to a DQ. Is it a ref decision?
     
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    All i know is Bader was inches away from a broken arm.
     
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    Fijeeto Berserk Belt Platinum Member

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    Bader should have rode that out. He made it worse by extending his arm and trying to break his fall. You cant penalize Rampage for Bader adjusting his position mid-slam.

    Not illegal.
     
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  7. ImmigrantMentality

    ImmigrantMentality Blue Belt

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    Why not just get rid of it then? It's a joke rule, the fighters don't want it, the fans don't and apparently the refs don't even care about. It'll just confuse a lo of people in the future when someone finally does decide to enforce it
     
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    It's a spike. And a stupid rule.
     
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    Personally i thought the rampage vs bader one was bullshit. I would have been ok with oa dqn that one
     
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    Damn i never noticed Bader's arm on that slam...how the f did it not break!?
     
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    Legal. Wasn't a straight up straight down piledriver.
     
  12. MaureenCretis

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    I dunno. I know MMA isn’t a tickling competition, but I do wonder if it’s a good idea to allow slams on the head. Maybe I’m just getting old, but you’ve got to wonder about the potential spinal damage that could lead to.
     
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    Rampage's slam isn't illegal, there is no spike and the headbutt is arguable. The other three though are definitely a bit dodgy. Pile driving the top of someone's head into the canvass might have some lasting effects, wouldn't know though because I'm no fucking doctor. Just a fat bastard behind a computer who happens to have an internet degree in chatting shit, anyway two of those slams are illegal.
     
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    jeff7b9 Red Belt

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    Rampage vs Bader = legal
    Not 12-6 but close. 11:45-6:15 slams are ok.

    Rampage Arona = legal
    * in a submission attempt. Per big John McCarthy any slam is legal if the person being slammed is attempting a sub

    Randleman vs Fedor = borderline but probably legal as I understand it.

    A) not on the top of head, aka not exactly 12-6
    B) Fedor has a kimura grip which he doesn't release


    Basically to be illegal I think it would have to be a piledriver where the person being slammed is being forced into a precise 12-6 slam and their body posture is being controlled by their opponent
     
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    Pride didn't have those rules.
    First Rampage slam is not illegal - he goes for a body slam and to land in side mount. Bader extends his arm and drops himself on his head by doing that.
    Second one is a slam to their back - again legal minus the headbutt which I also believe was clearly what knocked Arona out.
    Third one looks to be close to illegal but probably still allowed, it's a back/german suplex not a spike. Khabilov KOed someone with a similar move by locking his arm to break his fall then suplexing someone on the head for the KO.

    What is illegal is a direct spike, like Sapp vs Nog.
     
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    Hadn't seen that slam in a while, it definitely looks illegal.
     
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    Didn't look like Rampage wanted to slam Bader on his head. Bader let go off Page's body and tried to adjust, that's shy he fell on his head. Hence, not illegal.
     
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    You don’t wanna end up with spinal broketosis that’s a bitch to heal up
     
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    Yeah I agree bro,

    But every-time i watch that, its the headbutt that makes me wince.
     
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    Can you imagine Pride DQing people for a power slam? Tokyo would burn!
     

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