Rampage explains how outer space is a hoax

[Deleted member 577981]

It is a topic of concern for philosophers and thinkers alike when analyzing today's climate between people who have rejected experts and people who defend them to the end. It has been widely observed and commonly spoken about as a very real problem because this polarization is keeping both groups from analyzing data accurately or honestly.

You can see that kind of thing playing out in a partisan way in the war room often enough and also quite often on any fringe topic where emotions become strong, ufo, paranormal, bigfoot, religion etc.

As much as everyone claims to go by data, it is pretty obvious when reading these kinds of threads that that is 100% not the case, and it's actually quite rare to find anyone that is willing to really open-mindedly allow data on all topics.

 

[Scerpi]

He died of covid. He was at home. He tested positive. His girlfriend said he was having a tough go at it but he refused to go to the hospital. He posted on facebook just 4 hours before he was found dead by his gf in their home.

The death rate is low but the risk is still there. And the relative risk is incredibly low fore the vaccine.

Ever heard of Marco Rossi? He is a young promising center for the Minnesota Wild. He's a professional athlete and had his last rites recited to him. Luckily, he made a surprising recovery and is still alive, but he was teetering on death because of covid.

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Sad... even when comorbidities are taken out of the equation, some diseases and viruses just hit the lotto with some people.

A friend of mine's sister got flu about 6 years ago. He said she felt off but didn't seem too bad at first. Then she just passed away in the middle of the night. No prior health issues, not overweight.

He was in shock... his voice was cracking when he called to me. Total disbelief.

 

[BearGrounds]

Will you change your mind when all the data finally comes in relatively soon on vaccines?


The people here comparing belief in Bigfoot to flat earth are being illogical and bastardizing science in the name of defending it.

Flat Earth theory is completely debunkable easily and quickly by anyone who has the skills to do so.

Bigfoot is not falsifiable and also there are extremely credible people who claim to have gathered evidence for its existence. Jeff meldrum being the number one who has a PhD in a field directly related to analyzing tracks and trackways..... It should be taken into account that unlike some PhDs who lie and obfuscate evidence and get called out and have their evidence debunked thoroughly. Nobody has tried to debunk. Jeff mMeldrum's evidence they just avoid the whole topic like the plague and the reason why is because of an unscientific emotionalism that causes judgment and shame towards anyone who has an open mind on fringe topics.

Scientists claim to only go by data, but they are driven by emotion as much as anybody as evidenced by nearly nobody being willing to really analyze Jeff meldrums data. Take into account Richard Dawkins recent claim that no amount of evidence for God would convince him that God existed!!!

The question is simple for me. What is more likely? that thousands and thousands of people are lying or hallucinating or mistaking bears for Bigfoot that come in their camp and pick up their sleeping bags, twist camping stoves like a pretzel etc..? or that there is actually something happening?

As far as probabilities go, the latter is obviously more likely than the former.

Sure, when it's settled, I'll follow the science.

Most people who claim to be "of science" aren't actually scientific across the board, much like most self proclaimed Christians don't often behave Christ-like.

The "science" people are, generally speaking, completely oblivious to this reality about them, however, which is amusing (to say the least); especially since they're always trying to boost their internal perception of their own intellect by disparaging religious people.

Agree about Meldrum. If not for these people (the frictional folk you speak of within the scientific community), the creature would no longer be categorized as a cryptid. But, alas, perhaps it's better for the beast it remain a myth (by and large).

 

[Deleted member 577981]

Sure, when it's settled, I'll follow the science.

Most people who claim to be "of science" aren't actually scientific across the board, much like most self proclaimed Christians don't often behave Christ-like.

The "science" people are, generally speaking, completely oblivious to this reality about them, however, which is amusing (to say the least); especially since they're always trying to boost their internal perception of their own intellect by disparaging religious people.

Agree about Meldrum. If not for these people (the frictional folk you speak of within the scientific community), the creature would no longer be categorized as a cryptid. But, alas, perhaps it's better for the beast it remain a myth (by and large).

There is one advantage to having directly experienced things beyond what our current paradigm accepts as real and that is open-mindedness.

The other advantage is that it gives you a window into the way people think why they think the way they do and the profound bias that limits so many people because of their allegiance to what is already known.

It serves as a dark cloud on their mind, keeping them from even thinking openly about many things.

 

[AZ103]

It's a real picture - it's the dark side of the moon taken from a satellite that's pretty far out so the perspective looks totally unlike what you're used to seeing.

It looks like shit

 

[dirtypablo]

Bigfoot is not falsifiable and also there are extremely credible people who claim to have gathered evidence for its existence. Jeff meldrum being the number one who has a PhD in a field directly related to analyzing tracks and trackways..... It should be taken into account that unlike some PhDs who lie and obfuscate evidence and get called out and have their evidence debunked thoroughly. Nobody has tried to debunk. Jeff mMeldrum's evidence they just avoid the whole topic like the plague and the reason why is because of an unscientific emotionalism that causes judgment and shame towards anyone who has an open mind on fringe topics.

I'm not sure what you're talking about here, there are several scientists who have been critical of his work, and its pretty difficult to debunk something that is already flimsy, inconclusive evidence.

 

[dirtypablo]

I'm talking about longitudinal studies, my friend.

More time than 4 years, certainly; but we're approaching minimum. For example, cancer drugs are researched for an average of 6 years before even making it to clinical trails (which are another average of 6-7 years).

Do you think cancer drugs and vaccines work in the same way?

 

[BearGrounds]

Do you think cancer drugs and vaccines work in the same way?

The time frames for both are similar, testing-wise.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

I'm not sure what you're talking about here, there are several scientists who have been critical of his work, and its pretty difficult to debunk something that is already flimsy, inconclusive evidence.

I'd like to see those scientists work because I've actually heard quite the opposite. There isn't really anyone willing to just take his data at face value. He is a genuine expert in the area of analyzing trackways and prints and he says he has prints that are unfakeable.

I've not seen anybody try to debunk that actually.....

But also as an open-minded person, I'm sure you're aware of the problem I'm discussing here because it's being discussed quite often and in great depth by many thinkers and philosophers these these days.

Are you unaware of that?

 

[Fedora Millionankles]

And yet, evidence exists to support both of those things.

What do they call it when you ignore and deny supporting evidence? Is that science?

Can you post some evidence of Bigfoot or are you talking about the many debunked photos?

 

[Andy Capp]

Will you change your mind when all the data finally comes in relatively soon on vaccines?


The people here comparing belief in Bigfoot to flat earth are being illogical and bastardizing science in the name of defending it.

Flat Earth theory is completely debunkable easily and quickly by anyone who has the skills to do so.

Bigfoot is not falsifiable and also there are extremely credible people who claim to have gathered evidence for its existence. Jeff meldrum being the number one who has a PhD in a field directly related to analyzing tracks and trackways..... It should be taken into account that unlike some PhDs who lie and obfuscate evidence and get called out and have their evidence debunked thoroughly. Nobody has tried to debunk. Jeff mMeldrum's evidence they just avoid the whole topic like the plague and the reason why is because of an unscientific emotionalism that causes judgment and shame towards anyone who has an open mind on fringe topics.

Scientists claim to only go by data, but they are driven by emotion as much as anybody as evidenced by nearly nobody being willing to really analyze Jeff meldrums data. Take into account Richard Dawkins recent claim that no amount of evidence for God would convince him that God existed!!!

The question is simple for me. What is more likely? that thousands and thousands of people are lying or hallucinating or mistaking bears for Bigfoot that come in their camp and pick up their sleeping bags, twist camping stoves like a pretzel etc..? or that there is actually something happening?

As far as probabilities go, the latter is obviously more likely than the former.

As black bear population increases so do bigfoot sightings. Take a guess why.

 

[Andy Capp]

There is one advantage to having directly experienced things beyond what our current paradigm accepts as real and that is open-mindedness.

The other advantage is that it gives you a window into the way people think why they think the way they do and the profound bias that limits so many people because of their allegiance to what is already known.

It serves as a dark cloud on their mind, keeping them from even thinking openly about many things.

I thought it was called dropping acid.

 

[Fedora Millionankles]

As black bear population increases so do bigfoot sightings. Take a guess why.

That’s easy; Big Foot eats black bears, obviously.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

As black bear population increases so do bigfoot sightings. Take a guess why.

common food sources rising and falling? black bears on the menu?

black bear sightings do not even remotely account for the kinds of sightings that make up the data base. you can only think that if you don't actually expose yourself to the data. black bear tracks don't have dermal ridges more akin to a mix between human and ape either....

there are a number of hunting guides who have spent more nights outdoors than indoors who have direct sightings, track sightings etc..... these sightings cannot be explained away by mistaken identity as these peoples lives literally depend on their woodsmanship. they are experts.

trashed hunting caches 25 miles off trail in hidden locations in Canada where the whole cache has been twisted and destroyed with NO teeth marks on any of the equipment. some of the damage requiring hands with strength not known to humans all comprise some of the data. 1/2 inch metal lug nuts used to construct the cache twisted and gnarled up and these caches made totally grizzly proof. they are 15 feet high and the trees they top to build them on are wrapped in sheet metal so nothing can climb them.

saying black bears only reveals that you have not perused the data in any serious way man.


by the way... I don't think bigfoot is a real animal but I've come to my perspectives by taking in massive amounts of accounts and considering them all whereas you seem have done the opposite.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

I thought it was called dropping acid.

when all you need is a preconceived stance you can think a lot of things that are not relevant or accurate. the irony is palpable.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

Can you post some evidence of Bigfoot or are you talking about the many debunked photos?

I would start here.

Jeffery Meldrum

Professor Jeffery Meldrum brings impeccable academic credentials and traditional scientific perspective to Bigfoot research. He is a Full Professor of Anatomy and Anthropology and a Professor of t…

www.thebigfootportal.com

 

[Andy Capp]

common food sources rising and falling? black bears on the menu?

black bear sightings do not even remotely account for the kinds of sightings that make up the data base. you can only think that if you don't actually expose yourself to the data. black bear tracks don't have dermal ridges more akin to a mix between human and ape either....

there are a number of hunting guides who have spent more nights outdoors than indoors who have direct sightings, track sightings etc..... these sightings cannot be explained away by mistaken identity as these peoples lives literally depend on their woodsmanship. they are experts.

trashed hunting caches 25 miles off trail in hidden locations in Canada where the whole cache has been twisted and destroyed with NO teeth marks on any of the equipment. some of the damage requiring hands with strength not known to humans all comprise some of the data. 1/2 inch metal lug nuts used to construct the cache twisted and gnarled up and these caches made totally grizzly proof. they are 15 feet high and the trees they top to build them on are wrapped in sheet metal so nothing can climb them.

saying black bears only reveals that you have not perused the data in any serious way man.


by the way... I don't think bigfoot is a real animal but I've come to my perspectives by taking in massive amounts of accounts and considering them all whereas you seem have done the opposite.

LOL you must be very young.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

LOL you must be very young.

slander the source rather than deal with the position?

this is what I mean man.... some topics have an a priori assumption on the part of established thinking and because of that they are not considered with an open mind. its a massive block to moving forward for humanity and infects LOTS of areas.

do you think jeff Meldrum is young too?

 

[BearGrounds]

common food sources rising and falling? black bears on the menu?

black bear sightings do not even remotely account for the kinds of sightings that make up the data base. you can only think that if you don't actually expose yourself to the data. black bear tracks don't have dermal ridges more akin to a mix between human and ape either....

there are a number of hunting guides who have spent more nights outdoors than indoors who have direct sightings, track sightings etc..... these sightings cannot be explained away by mistaken identity as these peoples lives literally depend on their woodsmanship. they are experts.

trashed hunting caches 25 miles off trail in hidden locations in Canada where the whole cache has been twisted and destroyed with NO teeth marks on any of the equipment. some of the damage requiring hands with strength not known to humans all comprise some of the data. 1/2 inch metal lug nuts used to construct the cache twisted and gnarled up and these caches made totally grizzly proof. they are 15 feet high and the trees they top to build them on are wrapped in sheet metal so nothing can climb them.

saying black bears only reveals that you have not perused the data in any serious way man.


by the way... I don't think bigfoot is a real animal but I've come to my perspectives by taking in massive amounts of accounts and considering them all whereas you seem have done the opposite.

I agree with all of this, except (as far as I can tell) it's simply an uncategorized extant mammal. There may be some strange things going on in conjunction with their existence, but they're just another ape, out there, living amongst us.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

I agree with all of this, except (as far as I can tell) it's simply an uncategorized extant mammal. There may be some strange things going on in conjunction with their existence, but they're just another ape, out there, living amongst us.

yes we disagree (respectfully) on the origin of the beast in question. my own experience mixed with all of the accounts taken in rule out physical being.

I think there are far too many paranormal, religious and UFO accounts mixed up with the bigfoot thing for me to classify it as an animal that really exists physically. bfro was caught doctoring tons of accounts and taking the paranormal dimensions out of them too.

I think we are dealing with a juingian mythology co-created by us and an unknown force.

would be glad to be wrong on that though....