*Rampage crapping all over UFC on conference call!*

[Godzilla3232]

is that why pro athletes in other sports make so little
I mean millions of people worldwide play basketball, football , tennis etc for fun right?

Who said that the employees of a successful company would make little? The most important employees are usually pretty well taken care of, but the key investors make way more.

 

[Godzilla3232]

yeah, try to replace rampage jackson. good luck with that.
boring fighters, boring brand.

Seriously? What exactly do you think will happen to the UFC without Rampage Jackson?

 

[hadrian999]

most of the talent is disposable, outside a few big names the figters are easily replacable, the ufc infrastructure and organization is not. without rampage the ufc just finds an up at comer to build up, without the ufc rampage is stuck out in the minors. who has more power in that situation.

 

[HardwoodOctagon]

So is this thread about the conference call or Rampage's history on earth?

Conference call.

But you're the one that keeps talking about how he's not complaining about his pay, but some of us know from previous experience that that's at least partly where he's coming from.

Maybe he didn't actually say it today, but he thinks it. He's said it before.

But then again, I didn't enter into this thread to speak on his thoughts on his pay, but his lack of knowledge of how the business world works.

 

[Jmarc]

Nothing wrong with the (Dana and the Bros) reaping the rewards of their efforts, but right now the revenues are so high compared to the payouts that it is easy to see that they are exploiting the fighters.

What does Revenue have to do with how much the fighters make? Profit is everything, revenue doesn't mean shit to the UFC.

 

[Chubatosaurio]

Rampage has explained that he was on his way to save a friend who was threatening to kill himself. According to Rampage he was able to get his friend to calm down and hold off until he can get over there. Hence the rush and complete disregard for the police and his own freedom.

But I assume your reaction to this is 'bullshit!'. Ok, so is it more likely that he just wanted to smash some cars and go to jail that day? The answer to this question will say all that needs to be said about your level of sanity.






Agreed, too much mulling over defeats. I don't think it makes him the scum of the earth but he should tone it down I agree.



So do you also hate Hendo, Weidman, Sylvia, Gomi, Kid, Lawler, ect? Fighters do that all the time but yet you choose Rampage to hate for it? Interesting.




Agreed. He should be ashamed of himself for some of that.



Stop being a wuss, he didn't do anything wrong.





Agreed. Not sure why you would hate him for it tho.



You're being a wuss again.



Other than the Bader(where he was injured) and Rashad fights I don't see how you can make this claim. Well that is unless you just really hate the guy beyond the point of rationality.





That never even crossed my mind but since you bring it up...

1. You believing his truck story either says volumes about your sanity or your knowledge of Seinfeld trivia.


2. Yes, I dislike Kid, Sylvia and I'm not a fan of Lawler. Hendo, I think you're talking about the Bisping incident, wasn't hitting him as the ref was pulling him off.


3. No? If you think this was funny or appropriate, you shouldn't be allowed near women. (pride days)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKVeBOCPpGU


Call me a "wuss" all you like, since I'm not 14, I won't think making fun of someone's appearance is either funny nor admirable.

 

[TheComebackKid]

But then again, I didn't enter into this thread to speak on his thoughts on his pay, but his lack of knowledge of how the business world works.

I don't think anyone would disagree with you but that doesn't give you the liberty to put words in his mouth or strawman what he is saying.

If you're being objective then you would address what he's actually saying, not what you think he is saying.

 

[Mr. Hammer]

1. You believing his truck story either says volumes about your sanity or your knowledge of Seinfeld trivia.


2. Yes, I dislike Kid, Sylvia and I'm not a fan of Lawler. Hendo, I think you're talking about the Bisping incident, wasn't hitting him as the ref was pulling him off.


3. No? If you think this was funny or appropriate, you shouldn't be allowed near women. (pride days)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKVeBOCPpGU

If you're a hater and you know it clap your hands.

 

[whougonnacall]

Who said that the employees of a successful company would make little? The most important employees are usually pretty well taken care of, but the key investors make way more.

true just as in sports the athletes usaly earn about 40%-50% of the after loss profits
but they are many and the owners who invested in the buisness are few thus their share isnt divided as much

 

[airbernard]

Dana and his pals bought a failing business that could no longer get on PPV. I mean, PORN is on PPV, and they couldn't get the UFC back on PPV. They spent MILLIONS in changing things up - lobbying for regulations and the like - and for a couple years - they were losing LOTS of money. And yet the fighters always got paid. So while things are rosy now, to say that the owners didn't take the risk when there was risk to take - is laughable.

this is not true. since the brothers and dana bought the ufc they have not had a losing year. that is not to imply they took no risks, but Dana White has said more than once, the product was already there it just needed to be packaged in a different way. all fighters salaries have not risen at the same rate as the amount of income Zuffa takes in.

all responses from people who do not know what Rampage said makes this a tough thread to read. And Im shocked that any mma fan would not think that the fighters deserve more money.
It used to be enough if a mma organization paid fighters after every event. this is not true anymore. And dont fool yourself into thinking that all organizations went out of business because they were losing money, it appears most mid majors went out of business because the owners were not making enough money.

 

[Godzilla3232]

true just as in sports the athletes usaly earn about 40%-50% of the after loss profits
but they are many and the owners who invested in the buisness are few thus their share isnt divided as much

In a brand that's still trying to grow in several markets a good chunk of the profit is likely invested back into the company as well.

Most professional sports leagues have the luxury of being well established in their market over the course of decades. The UFC only just got a network deal in NA and is still trying to grow internationally. I think people expect too much too quick from the UFC in terms of wealth distribution.

 

[Prex32]

Seriously? What exactly do you think will happen to the UFC without Rampage Jackson?

hes one of the more exciting personalities in the ufc imo.
controversial and entertaining.
its good for the brand ufc.
they should invest more in him.

 

[TheComebackKid]

1. You believing his truck story either says volumes about your sanity or your knowledge of Seinfeld trivia.

So you think he made this up out of thin air? It is more plausible in your mind that he just felt like smashing cars and going to jail that day? Lol.

2. Yes, I dislike Kid, Sylvia and I'm not a fan of Lawler. Hendo, I think you're talking about the Bisping incident, wasn't hitting him as the ref was pulling him off.

You're just being a wuss when it comes to Rampage. So Rampage drop a couple more shots on a long time rival and your reaction is 'oh god mommy no! the big meenie hit the other guy a couple of more times in a sanctioned fist fight *sniffle*'.

Seriously, stop being petty.

3. No? If you think this was funny or appropriate, you shouldn't be allowed near women. (pride days)

Again, you're being a wuss.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKVeBOCPpGU

Edit: I take that back. It got a little inappropriate at the end. Feel free to dislike him for that if you like.

 

[HardwoodOctagon]

I don't think anyone would disagree with you but that doesn't give you the liberty to put words in his mouth or strawman what he is saying.

If you're being objective then you would address what he's actually saying, not what you think he is saying.

Fair enough.

It's just hard knowing his past and there really not being anything that's happened since he did actually complain about his pay that would have changed his mind....

 

[Yung Dilla]

I don't remember all the hate for penn, fitch, and gsp briefly among others when they left the ufc for money issues and they complained too but when rampage does it it's a problem lol

 

[JoeHoganKush**]

Links to the conference?

 

[Unbreakabull]

I don't remember all the hate for penn, fitch, and gsp briefly among others when they left the ufc for money issues and they complained too but when rampage does it it's a problem lol

Yep, and I totally don't remember JFK being called a socialist - maybe times have changed or something, who knows

 

[whougonnacall]

In a brand that's still trying to grow in several markets a good chunk of the profit is likely invested back into the company as well.

Most professional sports leagues have the luxury of being well established in their market over the course of decades. The UFC only just got a network deal in NA and is still trying to grow internationally. I think people expect too much too quick from the UFC in terms of wealth distribution.

The problem now is that we now get into the realms of faith
The UFCs books are not open to the public so its defenders feel all the extra money is being 'invested' to grow the company and there are those who feel almost all the profits are just going into banks accounts of the owners.
the truth is probably somewhere in between

 

[Chubatosaurio]

So you think he made this up out of thin air? It is more plausible in your mind that he just felt like smashing cars and going to jail that day? Lol.



You're just being a wuss when it comes to Rampage. So Rampage drop a couple more shots on a long time rival and your reaction is 'oh god mommy no! the big meenie hit the other guy a couple of more times in a sanctioned fist fight *sniffle*'.

Seriously, stop being petty.



Again, you're being a wuss.



Everyone in the room is laughing. I'm sure she was a little uncomfortable but she was not violated. He didn't fondle her, manhandle her, hold her against her will, or anything.

Stop being a wuss.

I actually believe the guy isn't too mentally stable.

Actually, my reaction as he was hitting Wand was *"What a douchebag"*, but I see you're still holding on to the name-calling. I see you take after your heroes.

"Everybody in the room was laughing, so it must be okay!" Yeah...solid reasoning. I'm sure you'd be totally okay if a guy who outweighs your girlfriend by more than a 100 pounds was humping your girlfriend as his buddies are cackling in the room. You sound swell!

 

[Unbreakabull]

hes one of the more exciting personalities in the ufc imo.
controversial and entertaining.
its good for the brand ufc.
they should invest more in him.

How much does he make with bonuses for winning and everything? How much more do you think they should pay a guy on a two fight losing streak who publicly comments about how he hates your dumb ass business and wants to leave? Do you invest a whole lot more in that guy or take some caution when giving him that big raise? And what do you give the winners of his last two fights if he gets more? What are you trying to incentivize here?