Crime Ralph Yarl shooting.

WklySportsMemes said:
As much as we are used to your closeted bigotry???
"Racist shoots black kid in the face for being on his property, but its not about race."

When is it ever about race? Never to you. I guess we need you to sign off on anything race related huh. What a high delusional horse you ride.
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According to the guys grandson it's definitely about race
 
nostradumbass said:
Yeah, they tend to "launch a manhunt" when you shoot a 6 year old and skip towns. What is her gofundme up to now? What's her name again?
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None of that conflating changes one was getting arrested per law enforcement(even when they skipped town) vs the other one not getting arrested even though he was there for the taken the whole time.
You actually are a better advocate for their being a racial component vs not.

If you can't acknowledge that the cops were complete bafoons for not arresting this guy or that most of the outrage stems from the NO ARREST, you are pushing a clear agenda.
 
Eat My Teep said:
Oh boy.

Someone is negligently killed (I think) and it has to become about skin color and not some old man being negligent about someone with their hand on his doorknob at night.

Crazy that his grandson used this as a platform to virtue signal as a crazy ass.
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Crazy that people keep taking the shooter's word for what happened instead of the victim's statement--or just leaving it an open question like a sensible person having no way to verify either way--that he never touched anything on the house but the doorbell.

Thanks for playing. Please try again. I only need one more "misstatement made to cast doubt on the shooter's culpability because reasons" bingo to complete my card.
 
AnGrYcRoW said:
You keep repeating this " pulling on the door narrative " which is so obviously bullshit , it defies logic and yet you are grasping on to it likes it a life preserver and your ship is going down .

Seriously which of these rings true to you , Ralph Yarl who was on 115th terrace instead 115th street was " pulling on the door " or as he stated rang the bell and was standing there waiting for someone to come to the door ?
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Is that a real question? Um, yeah, if you ring someone's doorbell and there's no answer and you think there's somebody you're supposed to pick up inside, you think he just stands there like a fucking idiot staring blankly at the door nobody answered?

Everybody in here has acknowledged that when they knock on a door and there's no answer, they look in the windows, knock again, or try to get someone's attention, but you apparently sit there with your mouth open staring at the house with no lights on indefinitely.

<Huh2>
 
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P4p Islam said:
Trying to explain things to the right be like...

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I feel the same way discussing guns and gun-related stats with "the left" . . . or whoever is carrying water for the gun control movement.
 
Finally read some of the details on this one. Definitely a sad situation
 
nostradumbass said:
Is that a real question? Um, yeah, if you ring someone's doorbell and there's no answer and you think there's somebody you're supposed to pick up inside, you think he just stands there like a fucking idiot staring blankly at the door nobody answered?

Everybody in here has acknowledged that when they knock on a door and there's no answer, they look in the windows, knock again, or try to get someone's attention, but you apparently sit there with your mouth open staring at the house with no lights on indefinitely.

<Huh2>
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I wouldn't do that.

I'd knock, and if there's no sign of whatever it was I thought I was picking my sibling up from, nor any answer, I'd go back to the car and double check I was where I was supposed to be, usually via a phone call.

Is that unusual?
 
nostradumbass said:
Yeah, they tend to "launch a manhunt" when you shoot a 6 year old and skip towns. What is her gofundme up to now? What's her name again?
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Are you really so dumb that you don't see the difference between someone running from law enforcement and someone whose whereabouts are know simply not being arrested...

Or are you just trolling?

"The black guy ran from the cops so that's totally the same as the white guy not being arrested for several days"
 
Siver! said:
I wouldn't do that.

I'd knock, and if there's no sign of whatever it was I thought I was picking my sibling up from, nor any answer, I'd go back to the car and double check I was where I was supposed to be, usually via a phone call.

Is that unusual?
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If the brothers or friend had a phone, I'd probably text them before I even got there. To get the wrong address, he obviously wasn't eyeballing it and hadn't been there before, so he did have a phone and actually entered the wrong address, so doesn't seem the brothers did have phones. If there's nobody to call or text, yeah, I'd probably look around the house.

It probably goes text them before getting there, wonder why the hell the lights are off and checks gps to nake sure I'm at the right place, then open the storm door to knock on the main door in case the doorbell isn't working. Just stand there and stare blankly at a door nobody's answering doesn't really make the checklist. None of those things are the wrong thing for the guy to do btw, but he's not the one being charged, so it's just a matter of whether the old guy reasonably thought it was an attempted robbery.

The "he was a racist just looking for a black kid to shoot" doesn't hold any water, because a guy going 84 years with an unbelievable urge to shoot a random black guy, and he just happened to have one at his front door at 10pm is a

Like I've asked several posters with no response, if it was your wife home alone and she called you at 10pm and said there was a strange guy on the porch in a high crime city, would you tell her "just answer the door, you bigot, he probably typed the wrong address into gps"?
 
Andy Capp said:
Crazy that people keep taking the shooter's word for what happened instead of the victim's statement--or just leaving it an open question like a sensible person having no way to verify either way--that he never touched anything on the house but the doorbell.

Thanks for playing. Please try again. I only need one more "misstatement made to cast doubt on the shooter's culpability because reasons" bingo to complete my card.
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DNA and fingerprints will prove that (maybe?).

The difference between me and you: I assume no ill intent on either side because I have no evidence that either person had ill intent. I assume negligence, and that's what was reported by the shooter. You immediately, apparently, are assuming a racist white man won the lottery and had a black guy at gun point at his front door and seized the opportunity. In addition, I said I thought he negligently shot the kid. How is that removal of culpability? I literally said that "I think" he was responsible for the shooting and in the wrong.

I just am not assuming he's a card carrying KKK member who finally got his wish after all these years. I'm not full of vitriol that leads me to assumptions like that.

You are SO defensive about this you completely mischaracterized my post to fit your virtue signaling agenda. Piss off man. People fuck up and it isn't because of someone's race....at 10pm at night...with an 80+ year old man...with someone at his door...there are less ideological ways of explaining this probable negligent shooting. Even to the extent that maybe the old man saw the kids arm extended to the doorbell, thought he was reaching/on the doorknob, and was scared and pulled the trigger. Maybe the kid got shot and didn't remember where his hand was last. I have no idea but I didn't assume the worst of either person.
 
nostradumbass said:
If the brothers or friend had a phone, I'd probably text them before I even got there. To get the wrong address, he obviously wasn't eyeballing it and hadn't been there before, so he did have a phone and actually entered the wrong address, so doesn't seem the brothers did have phones. If there's nobody to call or text, yeah, I'd probably look around the house.

It probably goes text them before getting there, wonder why the hell the lights are off and checks gps to nake sure I'm at the right place, then open the storm door to knock on the main door in case the doorbell isn't working. Just stand there and stare blankly at a door nobody's answering doesn't really make the checklist. None of those things are the wrong thing for the guy to do btw, but he's not the one being charged, so it's just a matter of whether the old guy reasonably thought it was an attempted robbery.

The "he was a racist just looking for a black kid to shoot" doesn't hold any water, because a guy going 84 years with an unbelievable urge to shoot a random black guy, and he just happened to have one at his front door at 10pm is a

Like I've asked several posters with no response, if it was your wife home alone and she called you at 10pm and said there was a strange guy on the porch in a high crime city, would you tell her "just answer the door, you bigot, he probably typed the wrong address into gps"?
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I wouldn't 'stand and stare blankly at a door', I'd give it a couple of knocks and then leave. I also wouldn't check the windows, that's weird, I'm not really that investigative.

If the younger brother has no phone, I'm calling whoever sent me on this wild goose chase and making them double check the details.

That's just me.

The "he was a racist and just looking..." argument doesn't make any sense, you're right, but that's not where the 'racism' idea came from in the first place. That's the probable cause statement, and until that's somehow thrown out or disproven, it's the best we've got to go on. It doesn't really matter what you or I would do in that situation, and the speculation is irrelevant. There was an incident that actually did happen, and how that specific incident took place is all that now matters.

As for another hypothetical (I'm typing this right before I read it): Okay, so what I expect my wife would do (knowing her) is speak to the person through the door and establish what they want. I doubt that person is going to speak to my wife or an 84 year old man and think it's 'Party Town' and that his brother actually is at this address.

That's why it makes more sense that the probable cause was right, and the guy fired far too early. In which case, his life is forfeit and he's dying in prison.

But again: it will play out. That might not be exactly how it went down, in which case the old man needs to explain what the fuck he was thinking gunning someone down for pressing the wrong doorbell.
 
nixkid said:
Are you really so dumb that you don't see the difference between someone running from law enforcement and someone whose whereabouts are know simply not being arrested...

Or are you just trolling?

"The black guy ran from the cops so that's totally the same as the white guy not being arrested for several days"
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Uh yeah, stupid, the guy didn't flee because he didn't believe he committed a crime. You think not driving out of state is a point against the guy? The black guy unambiguously attempted to murder a family because a 6 year old's basketball rolled into his yard, and he was still free to shoot 6 year olds after he just beat his girlfriend with a sledgehammer 4 months ago. No $3 million for this girl, no invitations from Brandon to the white house, no segments and stories about the dangers of being a white kid in America, you don't even know her goddamn name.
 
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nostradumbass said:
Uh yeah, stupid, the guy didn't flee because he didn't believe he committed a crime. You think not driving out of state is a point against the guy? The black guy unambiguously attempted to murder a family because a 6 year old's basketball rolled into his yard, and he was still free to shoot 6 year olds after he just beat his girlfriend with a sledgehammer 4 months ago. No $3 million for this girl, no invitations from Brandon to the white house, no segments and stories the dangers of being a white kid in America, you don't even know her goddamn name.
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I really feel like you're trolling at this point. The actions of the suspects are IRRELEVANT. It's about the actions of the police and the DA.

The police rightfully attempted to apprehend one of the suspects (and failed to do so immediately because he ran) and wrongfully allowed another to go home for dinner.
 
Mr Holmes said:
This guy is normal according to @KAZSoliloquy
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It's not actually that weird.

If he's pretty committed to metal music, that's just standard fare dating back to MySpace lol

Prisons, Satan (LARPing as a Satanist or not giving a shit at all), and a general acceptance of people at face value are all basic expectations of people who enjoy heavy metal music.
 
AnGrYcRoW said:
According to the guys grandson it's definitely about race
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Did you see the grandson ? Corn rows... BLM... Pro trans... AcAb... Definitely not mentally or emotionally sound. Not exactly a reliable source. Kid's a useless lump of shit. That said... Grandpa might be a racist.
 
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