Crime Ralph Yarl shooting.

avenue94 said:
Do it? No. Happily see it? Possible. The US is a huge country and racist views don't just die overnight. There are plenty of Americans who grew up in opposition to the civil rights movement for example, they are still around.
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I don't see it.

There's a pretty vast chasm between thinking you're better than someone and rejoicing in their deaths.
 
Loiosh said:
I don't see it.

There's a pretty vast chasm between thinking you're better than someone and rejoicing in their deaths.
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It's not as vast as you are portraying. As recently as a century ago, lynchings were public spectacles you brought your family to for an afternoons delight. It's doubtful everyone in the crowd was actively racist, but plenty were just indifferent or socialized to see these crimes as normal. Attitudes have certainly changed since, but probably not to the extent you think. Indifference to suffering is a pretty low bar unfortunately.
 
The Catch-Wrestler said:
Do me just one favor, please. Cite me a law that has been passed recently that specifically targets minorities (there are many types of "minority" so please be specific). A law that says "people of x color by law cannot do y" for example. And also, which population is "statistically insignificant" - by which metric?

(And no, I will not agree with the assumption that requiring all people who vote to produce a valid ID is somehow racist, it's literally the only way to ensure election integrity - and any of those laws apply to ALL people of all persuasions. Telling me that for some reason poor black people are incapable of acquiring a valid ID like everyone else is an insult to competent, law-abiding black people. Not trying to put words in your mouth, because I am curious as to why you would make the statement you did)
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I've explained numerous times how a law doesn't have to mention a color to be explicitly racist. We have tape from conservatives in the Nixon and Reagan administrations explaining exactly how they do this, and if you want to dismiss this as ancient history you're just ignoring the fact those incredibly effective techniques are even more sophisticated now. Racists figured out a way to be racist without mentioning color seventy years ago.

Voter ID is a super bad example for you to use considering how many of these laws are struck down after the fact when it's proven in court how they specifically target black communities
(without mentioning color). They identify a district where they know minorities are less likely to have ID and create voter ID laws requiring identification conservatives are likely to have and black liberals aren't. This isn't fantasy, this happens every single election.
 
avenue94 said:
It's not as vast as you are portraying. As recently as a century ago, lynchings were public spectacles you brought your family to for an afternoons delight. It's doubtful everyone in the crowd was actively racist, but plenty were just indifferent or socialized to see these crimes as normal. Attitudes have certainly changed since, but probably not to the extent you think. Indifference to suffering is a pretty low bar unfortunately.
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A century is a long time when you consider societal bloodlust.

That said, with the right propaganda we could be right back there.
 
Loiosh said:
A century is a long time when you consider societal bloodlust.

That said, with the right propaganda we could be right back there.
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It's really not. Similar example, there were racists who came of age during the height of the Civil Rights movements who would only recently be retiring from public life and out institutions.
 
avenue94 said:
Ah yes, which is why you're trying to trot out a few excuses meant to shift blame away from the shooter to the victim.
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Yeah illustrating why there is no evidence that it’s race based is somehow “shifting blame away.” You NPCs are broken records of crying wolf and screeching racist rather than applying logic or reason…
 
BIKES! said:
Yeah illustrating why there is no evidence that it’s race based is somehow “shifting blame away.” You NPCs are broken records of crying wolf and screeching racist rather than applying logic or reason…
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The prosecutor said there was a racial element as per the probable cause.

Assuming there isn't is actually the less likely outcome.

Hope that helps.
 
BIKES! said:
Yeah illustrating why there is no evidence that it’s race based is somehow “shifting blame away.” You NPCs are broken records of crying wolf and screeching racist rather than applying logic or reason…
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So you think that the DA made up a hate crime charge without any evidence of it? What's your evidence here that the DA has no regard for their career?
 
Loiosh said:
A century is a long time when you consider societal bloodlust.

That said, with the right propaganda we could be right back there.
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you see firsthand on this forum the rhetoric used on looters, black protestors, etc. im reminded of chris kyle (i know he was a bullshit artist but still) claiming he was sniping looters in the aftermath of hurricane katrina. these people exist by the hundred-thousand in this country. it’s what keeps people signing up for the marines and the army. they are jaded, sociopathic racists.
 
Conservative GOvernor stays quiet for days, and finally breaks his silence........... for criticizing Biden




Look at Conservatives trying to justify the racist, of course it was already politicized


 
Anybody else see the irony of assuming that the old man must be racist because of his race?

It's not like it's unheard of for a confused old fart to shoot a suspected prowler, racism isn't required (evident by the young girl who was killed just a few hours later).
 
djacobox372 said:
Anybody else see the irony of assuming that the old man must be racist because of his race?

It's not like it's unheard of for a confused old fart to shoot a suspected prowler, racism isn't required (evident by the young girl who was killed just a few hours later).
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We aren't assuming, the DA seems to have evidence of it given he filed a hate crime charge. So unless it turns out he decided to toss in a hate crime charge and ruin his career for no reason, that's the info we have.
 
https://amp.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article274517706.html

Ludwig said he and his grandfather, who goes by the first name Dan, used to be very close.

“But in the last five or six years or so, I feel like we’ve lost touch,” he said. “I’ve gotten older and gained my own political views, and he’s become staunchly right-wing, further down the right-wing rabbit hole as far as doing the election-denying conspiracy stuff and COVID conspiracies and disinformation, fully buying into the Fox News, OAN kind of line. I feel like it’s really further radicalized him in a lot of ways.”

Ludwig said his grandfather had been immersed in “a 24-hour news cycle of fear and paranoia.”

“And then the NRA pushing the ‘stand your ground’ stuff and that you have to defend your home,” he said. “When I heard what happened, I was appalled and shocked that it transpired, but I didn’t disbelieve that it was true. The second I heard it, I was like, ‘Yeah, I could see him doing that.’”

Does he consider his grandfather a racist?

“I believe that there have been some positions that he’s held that have been bigoted or sort of disparaging,” Ludwig said. “But it’s stock Fox News, conservative American stuff. It’s ‘anybody who gets an abortion is a murderer.’ And ‘fatherless Black families are the reason why crime exists in this country.’ It’s stuff everybody’s heard at the Thanksgiving table every year.”

Ludwig said his grandfather’s paranoia had accelerated in the past couple of years.
 
essie said:
https://amp.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article274517706.html

Ludwig said he and his grandfather, who goes by the first name Dan, used to be very close.

“But in the last five or six years or so, I feel like we’ve lost touch,” he said. “I’ve gotten older and gained my own political views, and he’s become staunchly right-wing, further down the right-wing rabbit hole as far as doing the election-denying conspiracy stuff and COVID conspiracies and disinformation, fully buying into the Fox News, OAN kind of line. I feel like it’s really further radicalized him in a lot of ways.”

Ludwig said his grandfather had been immersed in “a 24-hour news cycle of fear and paranoia.”

“And then the NRA pushing the ‘stand your ground’ stuff and that you have to defend your home,” he said. “When I heard what happened, I was appalled and shocked that it transpired, but I didn’t disbelieve that it was true. The second I heard it, I was like, ‘Yeah, I could see him doing that.’”

Does he consider his grandfather a racist?

“I believe that there have been some positions that he’s held that have been bigoted or sort of disparaging,” Ludwig said. “But it’s stock Fox News, conservative American stuff. It’s ‘anybody who gets an abortion is a murderer.’ And ‘fatherless Black families are the reason why crime exists in this country.’ It’s stuff everybody’s heard at the Thanksgiving table every year.”

Ludwig said his grandfather’s paranoia had accelerated in the past couple of years.
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the fox news effect.
 
Loiosh said:
I've explained numerous times how a law doesn't have to mention a color to be explicitly racist. We have tape from conservatives in the Nixon and Reagan administrations explaining exactly how they do this, and if you want to dismiss this as ancient history you're just ignoring the fact those incredibly effective techniques are even more sophisticated now. Racists figured out a way to be racist without mentioning color seventy years ago.

Voter ID is a super bad example for you to use considering how many of these laws are struck down after the fact when it's proven in court how they specifically target black communities
(without mentioning color). They identify a district where they know minorities are less likely to have ID and create voter ID laws requiring identification conservatives are likely to have and black liberals aren't. This isn't fantasy, this happens every single election.
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I never understood the voter ID one. An ID is extremely simple to obtain.
 
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