Opinion Radical left vs Radical Right poll

[Possum Jenkins]

Arbitrary in that Mao or Stalin didn't pen their ideological fuel onto paper before committing said atrocities is what I was saying. Mao and Stalin were both communists. You can say they had extremely warped views of communism, (I wouldn't even disagree), but communists none the less. Which is an extreme leftist position. They committed many of their atrocities with the justification of protecting "the party", so I don't think it's unreasonable to associate their behavior with extreme leftism any more than it is to associate the Nazis with extreme rightism.

If they had to use "protecting the party" (though much of Stalin's crimes were based on personal paranoia) as a justification, that means the ideology itself wasn't enough. Again, there's no text or official party line saying "eliminate your political enemies."

The Nazis didn't have to warp anything. They did exactly what they said they should do.

 

[Renard]

The right and left don't exist in a vacuum. Right now the right is declawed, and the left controls mainstream culture. Most righties support freedom of speech. The left is the new censorious religious right, seeking to shut down speech and virtue signal. They're the threat.

 

[Benjamin Burton]

No, the radical right is all about taking away other people's rights and stopping immigration.

The United States is built by immigrants and values freedom above all else.

Every country was built by immigrants. That saying means nothing.

 

[HereticBD]

@Sketch and @HereticBD can you confirm?

How many Canadians on this forum fit the doormat "Ned Flanders" stereotype? Need I say more? We all live in a country with shitty weather four months out of the year. Needless to say, we have a natural disgruntled asshole edge to us.

 

[mkess101]

If they had to use "protecting the party" (though much of Stalin's crimes were based on personal paranoia) as a justification, that means the ideology itself wasn't enough. Again, there's no text or official party line saying "eliminate your political enemies."

The Nazis didn't have to warp anything. They did exactly what they said they should do.

We likely won't agree here. "Protecting the party" (which to them IS the ideology) is in essence the same as it BEING the ideology. If the ideology itself is so important to them that they can justify doing those things to protect it, by definition the ideology (to their minds) does in fact promote committing those atrocities. The fact that it's not recorded in the "official party line" hardly matters when the actions of those in charge of the party clearly show how dissension was dealt with.

Whether you admit it or not, it's hair splitting. There's not much point arguing it further. If you think the fact that the communist parties who's leaders killed millions to defend said ideology bear no guilt...I think that's utterly preposterous but I'm not going to change your mind. Nor you mine. You're obviously an intelligent person, and I enjoy the debate. Have a good night man, no ill feelings.

 

[Sketch]

Residential schools were a shameful part of Canada's history, and the last one closed in 1996.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Natives are not treated properly in Canada. Never have been and still aren’t.

 

[Curmudgeon]

We're polite, not nice.

Many Canadians are actually huge assholes.

I prefer the term cunt.

 

[bobStash]

Radical Right, easily.

If you want a rural nation dominated by White Males, social classism, racial incarcerations, and mass shootings

There really is not such things as "radical" left. Rather they are overly progressive for our timeline, but nothing radical about them.

Yeah. Fuck whitey. Roght Queen Beeatch?

 

[jeremyemilio]

This is why I voted the radical left - not just this behavior, but the increasingly widespread acceptance of it. Radical right wingers are dangerous and have historically been more violent, but they are widely condemned by mainstream society. Increasingly extreme left wing behavior is completely ignored or accepted by the mainstream. Terrible things have happened throughout history not because of a couple lone nut jobs, but because mainstream society went along with those nut jobs.

Not a terrible point. I'm not sure it's been tested yet, though. Riots are one thing. There's a whole faction of people who don't much care about property destruction. But I'd like to think that once we get into mass shootings or bombing buildings with innocent people in them mainstream society wouldn't be so accepting.

 

[jeremyemilio]

Anyone with the word "radical" next to their name is scary as hell. I agree about all the nutjobs you're talking about on the radical right, but let's not forget that we've seen what happens when someone on the radical left gains power...you get millions of ruined lives, starvation, death like what's happened in Venzuela if you want a recent example. And shockingly...many on the left don't even necessarily view Chavez as a "radical". No, that's not the U.S. which I realize this poll and thread are about, but it shows how dangerous any type of far out thought is.

Yes. We're in agreement on that. But so far (knock on wood) we haven't seen it go that far in the West.

 

[SuperHoss]

Far Right. They get more shit done. Far Left is mostly lip service.

 

[Allosaurus Fragillis]

In this day and age, when you turn radical, people turn off and don't listen. Right? You don't have to be a socialist and defend radicalism. Many countries like Canada and Europe have implemented socialist policies and have a high standard of living with healthcare and equality. Radicals on both sides are ignored. Be an example, not a problem. Im a centrist and I agree with many of your points. But when you become radical, I'll go the other way. Same with radicals on the right, I go the other way.

Oh, I'm definitely a radical. I want to abolish capitalism. Anyway, I think you're views are too simplistic. Giving women a the right to vote was a radical change at the time, so was ending segregation. My point was just because something is radical, that doesn't automatically make it bad.

 

[rearnakedchoke]

Lol. Extreme right is worse and it’s not even close. Mass shootings. Buildings blown up.

 

[Jack V Savage]

The right and left don't exist in a vacuum. Right now the right is declawed, and the left controls mainstream culture. Most righties support freedom of speech. The left is the new censorious religious right, seeking to shut down speech and virtue signal. They're the threat.

The right is "declawed"? The current president of America is in the process of trying to get rid of democracy. Rightists nutters now have a majority in the SCOTUS. The Senate is at best 50/50, and generally, the right has a huge structural advantage. Also, most righties do not support freedom of speech for anyone but righties.

 

[BForrester]

Radical left isn't marching to the drum beat of people like A!ex Jones.

 

[rj144]

They are both bad now, but it seems like the crazy radical left is a response to the radical right. Radical right has always been crazy for longer.

 

[mmafan2000]

Oh, I'm definitely a radical. I want to abolish capitalism. Anyway, I think you're views are too simplistic. Giving women a the right to vote was a radical change at the time, so was ending segregation. My point was just because something is radical, that doesn't automatically make it bad.

Ok, let me address some of your points.

1. Fair enough to admit you a radical. You don't pretend you are something else. I appreciate that. That might mean what ever I say you will probably ignore. But I'll give it a shot.

2. It's impossible to abolish capitalism. It's simply too effective a system to remove. Countries compete, leverage insensitive, reward hard work, supply and demand and has proven to be the best production system the world has ever soon. Good luck my radical friend. It's like trying to abolish democracy. Won't happen. Put your energies into more useful things. Like maybe trying to amend it. Look at it's criticisms and come up with a solution. When you say you want to abolish it people will think you are a clown.

3. What do you want to replace capitalism with? Sigh...i dread to ask this question, but I'll bite. Marxism? It's only killed 25 million people in the 20th century though starvation and wars. But go ahead, tell me.

4. yes, because something is radical doesn't make it bad. Its the end goal that the radicals want that scares people.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Radical left isn't marching to the drum beat of people like A!ex Jones.

Seriously...how many times have you seen on this forum or anywhere people citing Alex Jones as a legitimate source or beacon of Truth?

 

[BForrester]

Seriously...how many times have you seen on this forum or anywhere people citing Alex Jones as a legitimate source or beacon of Truth?

Seriously, when did I call anyone on this forum 'radical' right?

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Lol. Extreme right is worse and it’s not even close. Mass shootings. Buildings blown up.

Buildings blowing up? Really? We're going back to 1995?

How about let's take a look at Portland, Kenosha, Philadelphia, NYC, st. Louis and countless other cities that have seen countless days of protests and riots.