Opinion Radical left vs Radical Right poll

Which do you think is worse for American society as a whole?

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Jack V Savage said:
People walking around in a fire? Also, "red herring" doesn't mean what you seem to think it does.



What would it take for you to question the rightist narrative on this one? Is there any evidence at all to back up your assertions? Serious question because I haven't seen any. Note that just calling people who disagree with you "dishonest" is not evidence that you're right.
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Straw man argument would have been more applicable. Red herring will do I guess. To say they are just walking around in a fire is disingenuous, dishonest and intellectually void of any meaning.
 
Allosaurus Fragillis said:
Well I'm a socialist, so I am a radical leftist by most people's standards. So obviously I believe the radical right is worse. The radical left just wants to give everyone healthcare and a job that pays a living wage. As well as food in their mouths and a roof over their heads when they sleep.
Meanwhile the radical right is comprised of climate change deniers, Covid deniers, anti-vaxxers, young Earth creationists, flat Earthers, racists, homophobess, transphobes, xenophobes, anti-Semites, Qanoners, white nationalists, and Neo-Nazis who believe that the Democrats are controlled by a cabal of communist Satanists who drink the blood of babies, and the radical right wants to get rid of democracy and make Donald Trump god-emperor for life. So I think it should be obvious to anyone with a functioning brain that the far-right is far worse.
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l@nd0
 
Social Distance Warrior said:
I have stated any and all. I have said most/majority/predominately.

and this, as we can see of areas of Portland, Philadelphia, NYC is accurate.

do you believe it to be homeless folk and "boogaloo" boys in Portand who have been rioting for 130 days straight?
(I doubt you will answer this question, but maybe you'll surprise me.)
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You deny they are involved? You've spent this entire year gaslighting

https://www.foxnews.com/us/boogaloo-bois-arrested-rioting-floyd-protests
https://www.thedailybeast.com/with-...boogaloo-followers-have-been-busted-in-7-days
https://www.thedailybeast.com/booga...and-random-civilians-revealed-by-leaked-chats
https://www.insider.com/boogaloo-extremists-buying-3d-printed-gun-parts-2020-11
https://sfist.com/2020/10/29/prosec...pected-in-oakland-shooting-of-federal-guards/
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/emmanuelfelton/boogaloo-boy-arrested-texarkana-swenson
https://abc13.com/boogaloo-las-vegas-protest-news-george-floyd/6231077/
 
Possum Jenkins said:
Except that eliminating other is a textbook part of the Nazi right. The concept of lebensraum and the necessity to take over foreign lands, expelling the natives there, had been a mainstream idea within the right for decades prior to WWII. Goebbels' idea of exterminating Jews was a stated goal.

Meanwhile, the violence of the Cultural Revolution was akin to a civil war. Civil wars have no political ideology.

In other words:

The atrocities of the far-left: A criminal deviation of leftist thought

The atrocities of the far-right: Exactly the POINT of rightist though
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Wait...and please correct me if I'm not understanding you here:

Leftists can condemn those who have committed atrocities or caused great suffering as "deviants" from what true leftism is.

But...

Rightists cannot condemn fascists or those who commit atrocities that are on the fringe right because...that's the point of rightism? So anyone who considers themselves "far right" (BTW that's not me for the record, I'm just interested in your take) and is not actually committing the atrocities you speak of...is doing it wrong?

Gotta admit, that's a new one that I've not heard.
 
 
mkess101 said:
Wait...and please correct me if I'm not understanding you here:

Leftists can condemn those who have committed atrocities or caused great suffering as "deviants" from what true leftism is.

But...

Rightists cannot condemn fascists or those who commit atrocities that are on the fringe right because...that's the point of rightism? So anyone who considers themselves "far right" (BTW that's not me for the record, I'm just interested in your take) and is not actually committing the atrocities you speak of...is doing it wrong?

Gotta admit, that's a new one that I've not heard.
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essentially genocide and mass murder aren't so bad if committed under special circumstances.
 
In all honesty though, I think I'd rather live in a radical leftist dystopia bad dream than a radical right one. In a radical leftist world we'd all be genderless automatons working from home with a million pronouns and safe spaces. In a right wing dystopia there would be 000.1% rich, the rest living in slums or a gas chamber.
 
blaseblah said:
You deny they are involved? You've spent this entire year gaslighting

https://www.foxnews.com/us/boogaloo-bois-arrested-rioting-floyd-protests
https://www.thedailybeast.com/with-...boogaloo-followers-have-been-busted-in-7-days
https://www.thedailybeast.com/booga...and-random-civilians-revealed-by-leaked-chats
https://www.insider.com/boogaloo-extremists-buying-3d-printed-gun-parts-2020-11
https://sfist.com/2020/10/29/prosec...pected-in-oakland-shooting-of-federal-guards/
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/emmanuelfelton/boogaloo-boy-arrested-texarkana-swenson
https://abc13.com/boogaloo-las-vegas-protest-news-george-floyd/6231077/
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PS you haven't answered my question. please answer without deflecting or whatabouism.

do you think what we are seeing in Portland in terms of protesting/looting/rioting/property destruction is mostly being committed by:

1) homeless
2) gangbangers
3) Right wing groups
4) Left wing groups.
 
Jack V Savage said:
Is that even true? @Social Distance Warrior, do you acknowledge that political murders are overwhelmingly committed by rightists?



Likewise, I'd consider cops indiscriminately attacking protesters (which there is also a lot of video of) to be examples of political violence. And flare-ups at protests are questionably categorized as political violence (and further, they generally involve protesters against counterprotesters).



A lot of rightists went to BLM protests to start trouble, and it's not accurate to call protests widespread coordinated violence, especially given the oft-attacked finding that 93% of protests had no incidents of violence. This is how people are manipulated, though. You have a huge numbers of protests that are overwhelmingly peaceful, but the numbers are large enough to produce a fair amount of video, and then that is used to give people a wildly inaccurate sense of what happened. Similar to the video I posted of the best baseball player to come around in a quite some time striking out a lot.
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People don't have a wildly inaccurate view of what happened. The 93% figure is attacked because its absurd and irrelevant - we are specifically talking about the violent protests, and you try to dismiss them by pointing to the fact that even more non violent ones occurred. You cannot excuse the fact that in almost every major city in the country there were riots that resulted in billions of dollars of damage simply by saying there were a lot of people who didn't riot.

We were originally talking about data showing that most political violence comes from the right, and I challenged you that that is largely because the type of political violence that gets tracked is the type largely committed by the right. Can you find any data that includes and tracks the type of violence largely committed by left wingers like these riots? And perhaps a dollar comparison of the effect on the economy and cost to the taxpayer?
 
Social Distance Warrior said:
essentially genocide and mass murder aren't so bad if committed under special circumstances.
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It's quite the take, if I'm understanding him correctly. Essentially saying that political ideology doesn't matter for the extreme left vis a vis genocide etc. because the worst of their behavior is simply a deviation from the tenets that make up that culture. But on the right, it absolutely matters because for those on the extreme right, mass extermination of another group always has to be an intended goal. The Nazis didn't highjack rightist thought to carry out their reign of terror...far right thought is actually DEFINED by them. I guess if you define "radical right" only as fascists this line of thinking has merit?

Hell, IDK. Seems like too much for me to deal with at the end of my work day haha. I gotta go pick up my dog from the groomers soon, then I'm gonna have a drink and not get into such deep thinking...
 
mkess101 said:
It's quite the take, if I'm understanding him correctly. Essentially saying that political ideology doesn't matter for the extreme left vis a vis genocide etc. because the worst of their behavior is simply a deviation from the tenets that make up that culture. But on the right, it absolutely matters because for those on the extreme right, mass extermination of another group always has to be an intended goal. The Nazis didn't highjack rightist thought to carry out their reign of terror...far right thought is actually DEFINED by them. I guess if you define "radical right" only as fascists this line of thinking has merit?

Hell, IDK. Seems like too much for me to deal with at the end of my work day haha. I gotta go pick up my dog from the groomers soon, then I'm gonna have a drink and not get into such deep thinking...
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dont' get me wrong...both are terrible.

and I'm wasn't even attempting to turn this into a "who is better at mass murder/genocide" debate. I was merely addressing a factual inaccuracy.

however, some need to turn everything in a partisan debate.
 
dirtypablo said:
People don't have a wildly inaccurate view of what happened. The 93% figure is attacked because its absurd and irrelevant - we are specifically talking about the violent protests, and you try to dismiss them by pointing to the fact that even more non violent ones occurred. You cannot excuse the fact that in almost every major city in the country there were riots that resulted in billions of dollars of damage simply by saying there were a lot of people who didn't riot.

We were originally talking about data showing that most political violence comes from the right, and I challenged you that that is largely because the type of political violence that gets tracked is the type largely committed by the right. Can you find any data that includes and tracks the type of violence largely committed by left wingers like these riots? And perhaps a dollar comparison of the effect on the economy and cost to the taxpayer?
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damn dude...you're killing it in this thread.

very envious of how articulate you are. (yes homo)
 
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