Economy "Radical" Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

[Unknown Pleasures]

This is going to be some rough calculations, as it's more of a thought experiment than an in depth look at the exact numbers it a tenth of a percentage point, but it will be correct enough to get an idea. So here we go......

According to the Bureau of Transportation Statistics the following are the number of vehicles registered in the US over the last 5 years they have published (this will include freight vehicles such as cargo vans and semis, so yah...).

2012 - 253,639,386
2013 - 255,876,822
2014 - 260,350,938
2015 - 263,610,219
2016 - 268,799,083

Now, using these numbers we can see that over a 5 year span there is an AVERAGE of 3,789,924 more vehicles on the road every year. For the purpose of this, I will jump ahead to the very beginning of 2019. Which makes for a grand total of.... 276,378,931. So, that's where we start off.

Now, how many new vehicles are sold every year? Well... Thats actually an annoying one to find it seems. But thankfully, after much searching, I have found some graph that doesn't involve a shitload of number crunching! So I will use the same set of sales years for this. Meaning, 2011 to 2015.

2011 - 12,778,885
2012 - 14,492,398
2013 - 15,582,136
2014 - 16,531,070
2015 - 17,470,659

So, now we have an average of 15,371,030 new vehicles each year. Using this point of data, we can get the final important piece of information; the number of vehicles removed from the total every year. Using the averages, we come to a total of 11,581,106.

And here we go. If we just use averages, we can get an idea on the total amount of vehicles on the road every year, and extend that out till we get to the date point we want. (I will just use the averages from these years to keep my brain from melting completely, don't hurt me!) I am also crazy tired, so I will keep this simple for my own sake. Assuming all vehicles starting on 1/1/2019 are gas, and all new vehicles sold are electric, the table goes as (Total gas vehicles of previous year - vehicles lost)/New All Electric Sales.

2019 - 276,378,931/0
2020 - 264,797,825/15,371,030
2021 - 253,216,719/30,742,060
2022 - 241,635,613/46,113,090
2023 - 230,054,507/61,484,120
2024 - 218,473,401/76,855,150
2025 - 206,892,295/92,226,180
2026 - 195,311,189/107,597,210
2027 - 183,730,083/122,968,240
2028 - 172,148,977/138,339,270
2029 - 160,567,871/153,710,300
2030 - 148,986,871/169,081,603

Going by this (god awfully simplified structure) it would take until sometime in 2029 for electric vehicles to finally overtake gas powered vehicles. And that is under the absolute, remarkably best circumstances I could give electric vehicles, meaning a statistical impossibility. You would need about another 13 years before gas vehicles were entirely phased out. A grand total of 23 years for complete elimination, well over her talking point of 12 years.

Now, there are several other factors which seriously complicate the math. Electric sales in the US only account for 240,380 in 2018. While a 130% increase over 2017, thats still a dismal 1.56% of new car sales (give or take a few tenths, I'm fucking tired). So in all reality, the chart should actually look something like this....

(previous years total vehicles - vehicle loss) + (new vehicles - last years total electric vehicle sales * 1.56) : Last years total electric vehicles * 1.56)

.....I think.

And that still isn't accounting for people who will cling to older gas vehicles for any number of reasons, electric vehicles being part of the total vehicle loss from the previous year, economic downswings which bolster used vehicle sales while depressing new (used vehicles sales in 2017 were around 39 million), and god only knows how many other factors. All said and done, having all electric vehicles in the next 20 years is nothing short of a pipe dream barring serious government intervention.

Now, if someone wants to dig into the numbers and do some real crunching, I will supply the links that I used to get this all done. And again, math is not my strong suite so feel free to correct me if I screwed this up somewhere (which I am sure I did at some point. Bleh.)

But regardless, hope this sates your curiosity a wee bit @panamaican as I did the best I could after a 16 hour work day. And now I am off to fucking bed.

Links of shit:
total vehicles - https://www.bts.gov/content/number-us-aircraft-vehicles-vessels-and-other-conveyances
new vehicle sales - http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2012/10/usa-auto-industry-total-sales-figures/
used vehicle sales - https://www.edmunds.com/about/press...ording-to-latest-edmunds-used-car-report.html
electric sales 2018 - https://cleantechnica.com/2019/01/0...-210-in-q4-2018-us-electric-car-sales-report/

Solid work effort on this one. Bravo!

 

[spamking]

Lol i sure did cause she looks good in that video.

 

[AlexDB9]

Lol i sure did cause she looks good in that video.

I was onboard until I saw the ass

I thought she would have a Jenny from the block nice round Puerto Rican ass

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Let her dance and fantasize all she wants.

Her next thing will be temper tantrums and crying when the real world slaps her down.

Yeah cause she's just a girl.

 

[spiderguarda]

President? Uh, can she make it through her first week on the job before we go crowning her anything like that? Sheesh.

Well Trump became President and he said outlandish statements and there were enough Americans who voted for him and liked what he had to say. Did they really believe half the things he made up? I doubt it but people can lie to themselves in a deliberate willful fashion.

She’s just doing the same. Bernie Sanders said outlandish things about the banks that destroyed the global economy but once you’re voted in, let’s see how rhetoric gets translated into action.

AOC is a rookie and of course can vote but if she can’t become a political player whatever she says will remain rhetoric.

 

[spiderguarda]

The problem is that tractors and trucks need fossil fuels.

Didn’t Tesla showcase electric trucks and didn’t UPS or some other company purchase a few to test?

 

[sangreporsangre]

Really? This thread was posted about none of that crap . . . it was posted to start a legit discussion about some of her largest proposals.

I never brought up here dancing video at all . . . @zebby23 did.

That's the weird thing I noticed on social media about the dancing video....some anonymous Twitter account (since deleted) leaked it, saying that it showed what an idiot she was or whatever. Every prominent "conservative"/Republican type account I saw address the video just said something along the lines of "so what? Why would anyone think this makes her look bad? She's just a college student having fun here, if anything it makes her more likable".

But then the next day all the "liberal"/Democrat accounts and even AOC herself are going on about how triggered "the right" is, how "the right" made such a big deal and criticized her for dancing. And now someone is repeating it itt, I guarantee you as time goes on that will be the narrative. Personally I think that her team leaked it hoping that the moron conservatives would take the bait, and when they didn't they just ran with the narrative anyway.

 

[zebby23]

That's the weird thing I noticed on social media about the dancing video....some anonymous Twitter account (since deleted) leaked it, saying that it showed what an idiot she was or whatever. Every prominent "conservative"/Republican type account I saw address the video just said something along the lines of "so what? Why would anyone think this makes her look bad? She's just a college student having fun here, if anything it makes her more likable".

But then the next day all the "liberal"/Democrat accounts and even AOC herself are going on about how triggered "the right" is, how "the right" made such a big deal and criticized her for dancing. And now someone is repeating it itt, I guarantee you as time goes on that will be the narrative. Personally I think that her team leaked it hoping that the moron conservatives would take the bait, and when they didn't they just ran with the narrative anyway.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/blogs-trending-46757179

 

[AlexDB9]

That's the weird thing I noticed on social media about the dancing video....some anonymous Twitter account (since deleted) leaked it, saying that it showed what an idiot she was or whatever. Every prominent "conservative"/Republican type account I saw address the video just said something along the lines of "so what? Why would anyone think this makes her look bad? She's just a college student having fun here, if anything it makes her more likable".

But then the next day all the "liberal"/Democrat accounts and even AOC herself are going on about how triggered "the right" is, how "the right" made such a big deal and criticized her for dancing. And now someone is repeating it itt, I guarantee you as time goes on that will be the narrative. Personally I think that her team leaked it hoping that the moron conservatives would take the bait, and when they didn't they just ran with the narrative anyway.

Exactly, that video has been out for months too. Just looks like someone’s little sister dancing around. Pretty meh

 

[zebby23]

Exactly, that video has been out for months too. Just looks like someone’s little sister dancing around. Pretty meh

Yet conservatives (some) found a way to make it look like it was a negative against AOC

 

[AlexDB9]

Yet conservatives (some) found a way to make it look like it was a negative against AOC

Hey, there’s always a couple goofs everywhere, the first time I saw this I thought alright cool. Now it’s being brought to light again and I thought...alright cool

 

[zebby23]

Hey, there’s always a couple goofs everywhere, the first time I saw this I thought alright cool. Now it’s being brought to light again and I thought...alright cool

Same. I was like, wow a human was dancing lol

 

[MMAViewer]

After browsing this thread a bit I'm astonished at how many people don't even understand the difference in stated and effective taxation, let alone a progressive system.
I wonder if some posters here understand that her opinion on taxation is just an opinion.
Like @AlexDB9 and @zebby23 said, a dance video is about the most normal thing a college student could do but it's funny how a silly video and an opinion about stated tax rates gets so much attention.

 

[PEB]

Same. I was like, wow a human was dancing lol

Missing the point that AlexDB9 is trying to do because the right fell completely on their face they now have to try to defuse this by saying no big deal. Again Fox, a number of Fox properties made a big deal about it till AOC and 100,000's of social media posts made the thing a pretty big deal and made the right looked really uncool. So now they are they leave the spin machine "AlexDB9" to tear it down by saying no big deal or lets show her butt photo for a billion times because that is cool. The transparent effort by the right to defuse their F-Up it never gets tiring.

The right

 

[Deleted member 347815]

Lol at this failure of a smoking gun. All this has shown me is that ACO has a great rack.

 

[PEB]

Let her dance and fantasize all she wants.

Her next thing will be temper tantrums and crying when the real world slaps her down.

The real world "IE Fox and most mainstream news has been trying to take her down she continues to grow in popularity". In the congressional races she lead the field in small donor's by a sizable amount and she is the best democrat possibly in history to use social media as a platform to answer questions and reach her biggest audience. One of her key supporters took a swipe at MSNBC by saying she does not need to go on these networks because that had nothing to do with her winning her district.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Wait...what is wrong with this, or the previous dancing video?

Are people really upset about this?

 

[sangreporsangre]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/blogs-trending-46757179

Exactly. If you read that article, it doesn't provide any evidence of a widespread "conservative backlash" against the video. It has a screengrab from a guy with 7500 followers sarcastically saying "congratulations New York" and it references the original tweet that showed the video in the first place. The overall response to this video was either "nice" or "who cares" but we're all supposed to just pretend that conservative snowflakes were melting down over this. Which they do quite frequently, including over this AOC chick, but that didn't happen here so imo we shouldn't pretend that it did.

 

[PEB]

Wait...what is wrong with this, or the previous dancing video?

Are people really upset about this?

A common conservative comment was here is a woman who has no idea how government works now wants to set tax polices and they would post the video of her dancing. Basically using the dance video to say she is to immature to be making big decisions especially on tax polices.

 

[PEB]

She's living rent free now in the minds of Republicans.