r/The_Donald banned

[Gilday]

Weren't they smart enough to realise this was coming months ago and moved to some other site? I'm sure I remember reading that somewhere but I could be wrong

 

[Confucamus]

Another reason to laugh out loud at the leftists here who project their nonsense on everyone else and claim there is no censorship of conservative dialogue.

First they came for R/The_Donald and i did nothing because that sub-reddit was a fucking cesspool

Shamelessly ripping off a Reddit comment huh? Spotted this when I sorted the main Reddit thread by "Controversial."

 

[TheGreatA]

The antithesis of hypocrisy would be principled and consistent standards. The antithesis of a series of hypocritical positions would just be a series of hypocritical positions running in the opposite direction.

I disagree that the modern environment doesn't allow the conversation to occur, the conversation takes place everywhere. The problem, as I see it, is that right wing media has been selling their consumers a bill of goods for decades. People can criticize the left wing media fairly but most of that is about spin. Right wing media, particularly talk radio (which I was an ardent listener to), sells wholesale fabrication, not slanted reality. I say this regularly, I stopped listening to Rush and Hannity and Ingraham and similar voices years ago because they were just outright lying. And not just about an issue here or there, it would be 2-4 hours of the pundit taking every news story and lying about it.

Then their listeners (because I blame talk radio far more than cable news) take those fabrications that deny any possible point to the left and argue them in the public space.

There's no real conversation because the level of fantasy being presented as reality is massive. If we're discussing agricultural policy and I believe that orcs are stealing farm food, it doesn't matter who sincere either of us are in our beliefs or our arguments. We're never going to resolve the "orcs issue" because it isn't real.

I think we have a different definition of conversation. Someone getting on their voice-box and speaking their opinions unchallenged, is hardly a conversation. It's a monologue. It does not contribute to the "conversation", and only contributes to this sort of "fantasy-writing" that you're talking about.

The moment you're forced to address someone's legitimate points, legitimate concerns, and reflect upon your own ideas based on someone else's responses to those ideas, that's when we actually start building some degree of a legitimate world-view that is founded on existing reality rather than our own projections or fantasies.

This is not happening, to a greater and greater degree, despite the internet once being seen as the service, the forum, which would provide a platform for these sorts of conversations occurring, and encourage people to partake in them, even the "regular people" who rarely had such opportunities in the past, outside of their comfort zones.

I do agree with the overall point about the youth of today consuming more directed conversation than previous generations. Although, I do think things like subreddits being banned is letting people fail and fail again. In the immediacy of it, they're going to feel negatively about it but, in the long run, society will dictate what direction it's going to move and they need to either get on board or acknowledge that they hold the less popular position. Which is a bigger problem I suspect, the inability to acknowledge that someone holds the minority position on a subject. Because they only consume news in an echo chamber, they believe that they're always the majority position and can't handle when that belief is shown to be untrue.

I see this as a somewhat warped view, which, if pursued to its logical "end game", would lead us to a model akin to that of China's.

If we were to operate based on the idea that the majority dictates how the minority should behave, or think, do you not see how far we would stray from any idea of "free speech" or even equal opportunity? Is this not precisely the type of thinking that led to the "majority" dictating the lives of minorities in the past? The idea that the minority should just "get on board" or accept that they are the "less popular" and thus less relevant?

We do not prove anyone wrong by silencing them. They will not learn a thing from it, except for knowing that someone else other than them, possesses the power to dictate what is acceptable or not. And that is why the struggle continues, in the form of "cultural wars", to become the one who dictates the terms, which everyone else must obey.

The only way to "make it stop" or atleast put a halt to its worst excesses, so that people will no longer be so occupied with possessing authority for themselves and themselves alone, is by giving everybody a fair shake, a fair opportunity to speak their mind, regardless of whether they represent the majority view or not.

It's not so much a matter of whether they are proven untrue or not, but how. That is what ought to be focused on. If the methods we are using are forceful, controlling, even totalitarian, then it is no surprise that people will respond very negatively to that. Not by changing their beliefs but by doubling down on them.

<mma2>

A substantial number of neoconservatives were originally moderate socialists associated with the right-wing of the Socialist Party of America (SP) and its successor, Social Democrats, USA (SDUSA). Max Shachtman, a former Trotskyist theorist who developed a strong antipathy towards the New Left, had numerous devotees among SDUSA with strong links to George Meany's AFL-CIO. Following Shachtman and Meany, this faction led the SP to oppose immediate withdrawal from the Vietnam War, and oppose George McGovern in the Democratic primary race and, to some extent, the general election. They also chose to cease their own party-building and concentrated on working within the Democratic Party, eventually influencing it through the Democratic Leadership Council.[24] Thus the Socialist Party dissolved in 1972, and SDUSA emerged that year. (Most of the left-wing of the party, led by Michael Harrington, immediately abandoned SDUSA.)[25][26] SDUSA leaders associated with neoconservatism include Carl Gershman, Penn Kemble, Joshua Muravchik and Bayard Rustin.[27][28][29][30]

Norman Podhoretz's magazine Commentary originally a journal of liberalism, became a major publication for neoconservatives during the 1970s. Commentary published an article by Jeane Kirkpatrick, an early and prototypical neoconservative, albeit not a New Yorker.

In another (2004) article, Michael Lind also wrote:[34]

Neoconservatism ... originated in the 1970s as a movement of anti-Soviet liberals and social democrats in the tradition of Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Humphrey and Henry ('Scoop') Jackson, many of whom preferred to call themselves 'paleoliberals.' [After the end of the Cold War] ... many 'paleoliberals' drifted back to the Democratic center ... Today's neocons are a shrunken remnant of the original broad neocon coalition. Nevertheless, the origins of their ideology on the left are still apparent. The fact that most of the younger neocons were never on the left is irrelevant; they are the intellectual (and, in the case of William Kristol and John Podhoretz, the literal) heirs of older ex-leftists.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism#History

 

[Hellowhosthat]

We should extend an open invitation to the war room for all of them. Think of the increased ad revenue for the site

It was mostly edgy teenagers. They'd completely ruin Sherdog if a bunch of them came over here.

 

[A Lurker]

Shamelessly ripping off a Reddit comment huh? Spotted this when I sorted the main Reddit thread by "Controversial."

Its a very obvious shit joke, parallel thinking i can assure you. I do not approve of theft, even shit jokes.

Here's the same shit joke from the magic the gathering thread from i while back, when someone said "first they came for the geeks".

And I did nothing because

 

[TheGreatA]

It was mostly edgy teenagers. They'd completely ruin Sherdog if a bunch of them came over here.

The no violence/genocide rule will probably eliminate most teenagers from using this forum.

 

[M3t4tr0n]

Only a real piece of shit cheers for censorship.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Aww man, I just saw that the soyboys subreddit got canned. I found that one pretty amusing.

 

[andnowweknow]

That’s fine, when these companies are all at the mercy of government regulations, I’ll be sure not to give two shits.

In 6 months they are probably gonna have government funding to moderate your Sherdog posts.

 

[Confucamus]

Its a very obvious shit joke, parallel thinking i can assure you. I do not approve of theft, even shit jokes.

Here's the same shit joke from the magic the gathering thread from i while back, when someone said "first they came for the geeks".

I respect that. I wish I was mature enough to admit when I shamelessly steal comments.

 

[Brodels]

When will 4chan get theirs? Pol is disgusting.

It really is. It's the most hateful, intolerant, divisive sub on Reddit. T_D was none of that with a few expections now and then. Which were not tolerated by the mods.

 

[Brodels]

So just don't visit it? Why do you have to go around policing what other people say?

Because it's hypocritical to allow that sub to exist after banning T_D

 

[HappyCamper]

r/ChapoTrapHouse was also banned today, and was one of the largest leftist subreddits on the whole site.

Is Cumtown still up?

 

[BEER]

Is Cumtown still up?

Nope. Banned.

 

[SleepyBoy]

No unauthorized views allowed

Please make sure all human expression is approved.

 

[djacobox372]

Another reason to laugh out loud at the leftists here who project their nonsense on everyone else and claim there is no censorship of conservative dialogue.

Of course there's censorship, but they're private companies so such is their right.

What's real ironic is that the right has fought tough and hard to make sure private companies owned the internet, airways and communication wires and now it's biting them in the ass.

 

[HappyCamper]

Nope. Banned.

Wtf.

 

[M3t4tr0n]

r/ChapoTrapHouse was also banned today, and was one of the largest leftist subreddits on the whole site.

Bu bu but it only happens to conservatives!

 

[10mm]

It just seems really childish. I don't understand how you don't want to hear an opinion, or a thought different than your own.

Its called liberalism. Never underestimate the power of stupidity. If the right wasnt the enemy, they would be slicing the throats of other libs. Is normal. But, Biden will save us from Covid, racism (even though he is a documented racist), get unemployment down to Trump levels. And overcome dementia... LOL

 

[James Bomb]

Bu bu but it only happens to conservatives!

I find it hilarious that people who whined for decades about how they didn't hate homosexuality, but they "just didn't want that stuff shoved in their face" are now acting like catching a banhammer for shitty behavior is somehow actual persecution.

If only there was a word for unique, fluffy crystalline structures made out of frozen water....