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Discussion in 'The War Room' started by Hadron90, Jun 29, 2020.

  1. Corn Pop Hombre Yellow Card Yellow Card

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    no, i wouldnt, because im not a reactionary and therefore have a consistent set of principles.

    i know its basically impossible for you to imagine a worldview/ideology that isn't just a reaction to what the other side is doing. mindblowing stuff, i know.

    im a leftist populist. i care about the democratic will of the people being represented in the government. the extent that the government isn't enacting the people's will, is the extent that the government is tyrannical and corrupt.

    you know that the will of the people being enacted is death sentence for you and your kind:
    -you would never have a republican elected president again (outside of a GOP reformation, where the GOP actually starts putting out solid candidates that aren't racist corporatist scum bags)
    -universal healthcare would be enacted, because its support is >50%
    -pot would be legalized nationwide
    -for profit prisons would be dismantled and the national prison population would drop significantly
    -the green new deal and a new tidal wave of environmental regulations would be unleashed

    basically it would be the Gulags all over again <45>
     
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  2. Diogenes of Sinope Brown Belt

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    lol sure , bud.

    doubtful
     
  3. Corn Pop Hombre Yellow Card Yellow Card

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    show me a republican policy that has over 50% support. literally everything your side does, and enacts, is against the majority will of the people. i know you see your side getting savaged in the culture war. mainstream/popular society despises you and your ideas, and you know it. anywhere you spout your backwards ideas in an open format, the majority turns against you. then you come crying to sherdog about how full of "soy" reddit is, or twitter is, because the vast majority of the people are against you
     
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  4. Spounman Purple Belt

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    Yeah if you come off as anything other than a liberal mentally diseased psycho you'll get banned from the bay area sub reddit. I stopped looking at reddit a long time ago.
     
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  5. Cuzcatlan Alexis De Tocqueville

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    It's pretty sad if you think about it. You have to wonder how far in society we have fallen when things like liberty, individualism and free market are despise.
     
  6. Corn Pop Hombre Yellow Card Yellow Card

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    you guys only think and talk about these terms in a one-sided way.

    liberty - you're not free when your finances are ruined because you came down with a disease or with cancer. you are not free when a corporation upstream from you dumps industrial waste into your water and makes you and your kids sick. you get the point. liberty and freedom from corporate tyranny and externalities can only arise out of a well regulated economy with a strong safety net

    free markets - markets are never free. capital always consolidates more and more power and will create monopolies in the market place. free markets don't produce competition and therefore better products and prices. the opposite is true - truly free markets will rapidly degenerate into monopolies where the consumer is screwed.

    "individualism" - everyone acting in their own selfish short term interests is a truly fantastic way to quickly dissolve your civilization as fast as possible and possibly take your planet with it. human beings are naturally social creatures that care about one another. the best interests of the individual is for the group to be well off. when the group is well off, the individual is well off, and vice verse.
     
  7. uppercutbus Silver Belt

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    I would stop using reddit, but unfortunately reddit is big for mostly non-political subs (even though the mods all drink the cool-aid) that people have no choice to follow (sports/studios/games etc.). Even I have to go there sometimes for some things and the official subs from the corps themselves.

    I don't use facebook though, even though the popularity thing also applies there.
    He's also wrong about any right wing ideas being absolutely despised by society. Look at Italy elections and anything Eastern European.
     
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    This is why they opened their own non-reddit version of The_Donald months ago. They anticipated this ahead of time.
     
  9. Cuzcatlan Alexis De Tocqueville

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    But the echo chamber applies to both left and right. I believe the left is worse in this regard. I'm constantly bombarded by leftist opinion in all forms of media. When I discuss things with friends or family I'm usually bring something they never heard. I constantly get from them, "I never heard of that before." The crazy thing is that they tend to hit me up stuff because they know I'm a right winger and will give a opinion from a perspective they don't get too hear often.
     
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  11. Cuzcatlan Alexis De Tocqueville

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    Liberty - free to chose how you see fit to live your life. Free to make errors and stand by them and learn. People are clearly never free from the calamity from nature. I believe a company polluting a river where I drink from is infringement of liberty and property.

    Free-market: I'm not speaking in a anarchist terms. Regulations and laws in fair trade always apply. The problem comes when regulations are use to keep new people to enter industries or to consolidate through political means. Regulations are used more often to protect corporations from competition.

    Individualism: strange how you view this. Individuals seek selfish goals but groups don't?
    A group of morally corrupt individuals still makes a group corrupt. Individuals that are self reliant benefit society because they don't creat a burden. More importantly is that yes people are social creatures, but let individual chose who they associate with and how. It's not a hard concept.
     
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  12. Corn Pop Hombre Yellow Card Yellow Card

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    Do you not realize the issue here? By definition a group pursuing the group's interests cannot be selfish.

    "Selfishness
    Selfishness is being concerned excessively or exclusively, for oneself or one's own advantage, pleasure, or welfare, regardless of others."

    So yeah, literally by definition a group pursuing the group's interests and well-being cannot be selfish. Selfishness applies to the individual.
     
  13. Diogenes of Sinope Brown Belt

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    nice deflection lol
     
  14. Corn Pop Hombre Yellow Card Yellow Card

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    asking you to directly cite examples that would support your point is literally the exact opposite of deflection. i am directly engaging you in the topic being discussed
     
  15. Cuzcatlan Alexis De Tocqueville

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    I was thinking of greed when I wrote that. Hence the sentence after that I made the point of groups can be morally corrupt and not necessarily do things in the long run that benefit the group.

    I think the problem is that people tend to view individualism as some type of antisocial attitude. It's more in regards to be free to chose on how you live your life. A individual can still pursue to reach goals with others.
     
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    I'm not against "individualism" in the abstracted theoretical sense that conservatives often point to and romanticize. I am wary, and more or less against, how that abstracted idea plays out in the real world, especially as it applies to a global or national economic system. I am not against the self reliant homesteader buying land and building a self reliant property, not requiring resources from the state for their life. That's totally fine. I am against this principle being applied to billionaires and trans-national corporations.

    The personal self-interests of a billionaire are categorically not the same interests as the common working people. Their interests are fundamentally opposed to one another. The billionaire and the corporation want to make as much money as possible, as quickly as possible. Cut corners, lobby for deregulation, cheat the system, lobby for bailouts, cut retirement plans, cut pay, cut healthcare, cut sick leave, cut familial leave, undercut the competition, lobby for systemic advantages over the competition. This is the "individualism" of the billionaire, and of the corporation. Regular working people want more benefits, more time with their family, more pay, more healthcare, more sick leave, more paid leave. This is the "individualism" of workers. Who ultimately has sway over the system and has the ability to enact their individual interests as actual policy? The billionaire and the corporation. Who's "individualism" is ultimately cast aside because they have no power? The workers.
     
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  17. panamaican Senior Moderator Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    I disagree. I don't know how much talk radio you listen to but I think right wing talk radio is the most misleading, intentionally duplicitous form of political media out there.

    I didn't say there wasn't spin or bias in left wing media. There is. But if you compare it to right wing talk radio, it's not even close. Right wing cable news and right wing internet sites are more similar to left wing media in the degree of bias they apply. But I haven't found anything any bad as talk radio. It's a whole other category of bullshit and its reach is exceptionally wide.
     
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  18. Stop Being Greedy Blue Belt

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  19. TheOneAboveAll3 Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    Boohoo, need some tissues BobGeese? Poor kid.....Cheer up, things will get better.
     
  20. TheOneAboveAll3 Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    LOL, this coming from the right is pure comedy. You guys cant even admit when youre wrong and hypocrisy is what you guys live by. "do as I say, not as I do".
     

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