International Putin signs mutual defence pact with North Korea, heralds 'New World Order' in meeting with Iranian president

Limbo Pete said:
More like Putin is a much worse, Russian version of Tony Soprano that will just eat through everything for the simple fact it exists.
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Putin is more like Richie from The Sopranos. Both are power hungry manlets.
 
filthybliss said:
Putin is more like Richie from The Sopranos. Both are power hungry manlets.
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Yeah that's a better comparison I suppose, but really it's just... the guy is a petty crook at root. He fucking stole Robert Kraft's superbowl ring, for fuck sake. He's a monster that runs a huge country and wakes up every day thinking about how he can have more and everyone else can have less. Just basic greed multiplied out a thousand times over by virtue of military/political mechanisms.
 
Cid said:
I don't know what I hate tankies for more.

That they're sub human scum.

Or that they make me argue that America isn't that bad.



















I'm kidding. It's the latter.
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Specifically considering how ass our foreign policy has been, they should be overjoyed to fiiiiinally get something actually right lol. Like, really right. But no, that just pisses off the tankies even more lmao because it's not about foreign policy, or human decency, or anything other than raw virtue signalling.
 
Cid said:
Exactly. Zero well planned scheme's in place.

You're pointing to the stupid years where America spent trillions of dollars fighting people in caves and mud huts and saying this is the 4d geopolitical chess master that can manipulate any country in the world. Could have turned Russia but chose not to.

I told a story about Poland playing America to get into NATO to illustrate this exact point of tankie scum arrogantly dehumanizing of the rest of us.

American governments are not smart enough to do what tankie scum accuse them of doing. It's incredibly difficult and your administrations are too stupid.


The premise of the tankie scum argument is that 4d geopolitical chess master America could have very easily balanced the contrasting wants and desires between Eastern Europe and Russia in a way that satisfied both parties and resulted in Russia becoming an advanced democracy.

But America deliberately chose not to do that because.... I dunno whatever immature @Possum Jenkins stated.



And your counter argument that they are capable of this incredibly difficult geopolitical balancing act is that you spent trillions of dollars bombing the ME?



Way to re-enforce my point.
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yeah idk what all that is about bro. i'm responding to the comment:

"The thorn in the whole side of the America is always the bad guy is how much the foreign policy changes.

You can't look at Clinton administrations foreign policy. Then observe Bush's foreign policy. Then observe Obama's foreign policy and say there's some well planned scheme here."

if there's some extra context i didn't have, then fine, but the post you were responding to didn't suggest there was. there's been a pretty obvious concerted effort by the west for the last 35 years or so to destabilize the middle east.
 
Limbo Pete said:
I mean the guy is just a straight up mobster lol
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It's definitely a major problem of corruption. Once a leader gets too deep, it's virtually impossible for them to not put their personal ambitions way beyond anyone or anything else. Take a look at Bibi and fraud and bribery charges, yet is untouchable while the wars keep going on. And there's little doubt of the amount of fraud and corruption under Putin's leadership that he can't make a clean exit from his leadership position any more so doubles and triples down on holding power and authoritarianism. Which of course, if it wasn't so extreme, might actually have made Russia a more attractive partner to western Ukrainians.
 
Unknown Pleasures said:
It's definitely a major problem of corruption. Once a leader gets too deep, it's virtually impossible for them to not put their personal ambitions way beyond anyone or anything else. Take a look at Bibi and fraud and bribery charges, yet is untouchable while the wars keep going on. And there's little doubt of the amount of fraud and corruption under Putin's leadership that he can't make a clean exit from his leadership position any more so doubles and triples down on holding power and authoritarianism. Which of course, if it wasn't so extreme, might actually have made Russia a more attractive partner to western Ukrainians.
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I don't think corruption is even the right word. It's by design.
 
its like arguing that the schoolyard bully is provoked into violence because the nerds went to stand next to the teacher, theres a reason countries want to join NATO, and it aint to threaten russia.
 
LeonardoBjj said:
- Israel powerless bottom, US doesnt has room to talk. They're suporting a genocide without precedent in Gaza!;)
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@Whippy McGee "RUSSIA IS WHITE AND EUROPEAN, THEY SHOULD BE ALLIED TO US NOT CHINA".

That's not how it works, culture isn't carried in the genes and Russians feels closer to China than to the West.

Both were literally absolute monarchies during most of their history, in fact you could argue they still function closer to absolute monarchies than actual Republics.
 
KAZSoliloquy said:
yeah idk what all that is about bro. i'm responding to the comment:

"The thorn in the whole side of the America is always the bad guy is how much the foreign policy changes.

You can't look at Clinton administrations foreign policy. Then observe Bush's foreign policy. Then observe Obama's foreign policy and say there's some well planned scheme here."

if there's some extra context i didn't have, then fine, but the post you were responding to didn't suggest there was. there's been a pretty obvious concerted effort by the west for the last 35 years or so to destabilize the middle east.
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The context is Russia as per the thread subject.

Still not seeing the well planned scheme I mentioned being employed in the middle east.

The policy has been horribly destructive but it has not been consistent. Except for the Israeli cock gobbling of course.

Here's the first google results for:
how has obama destabilized the middle east
www.thecairoreview.com

Obama’s Tarnished Legacy in the Middle East

President Barack Obama had to deal with a dysfunctional state system and fraying civil societies, as well as blowback from George W. Bush's invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. Yet his own actions and inactions throughout two terms of office contributed significantly to the great unraveling of the...
www.thecairoreview.com www.thecairoreview.com
www.heritage.org

Obama’s Ugly Legacy in the Mideast

The war in Syria was like a stone thrown into a lake. The initial splash has subsided, but the waves are spreading throughout the region. Where the waves meet the shores of the lake, they splash again into new wars. The wars of the Persian Gulf, the Kurds, and Israel are beginning.
www.heritage.org www.heritage.org
www.aljazeera.com

The Middle East that Obama left behind

New US president inherits legacy of “perpetual warfare” in the region.
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com

Two of them say he created a power vacuum.

Saying this is all part of some plan and electing Obama was the power vacuum phase and the "was the power vacuum a mistake?" phase all in one is verging on CT territory.
 
Cid said:
The context is Russia as per the thread subject.

Still not seeing the well planned scheme I mentioned being employed in the middle east.

The policy has been horribly destructive but it has not been consistent. Except for the Israeli cock gobbling of course.

Here's the first google results for:
how has obama destabilized the middle east
www.thecairoreview.com

Obama’s Tarnished Legacy in the Middle East

President Barack Obama had to deal with a dysfunctional state system and fraying civil societies, as well as blowback from George W. Bush's invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. Yet his own actions and inactions throughout two terms of office contributed significantly to the great unraveling of the...
www.thecairoreview.com www.thecairoreview.com
www.heritage.org

Obama’s Ugly Legacy in the Mideast

The war in Syria was like a stone thrown into a lake. The initial splash has subsided, but the waves are spreading throughout the region. Where the waves meet the shores of the lake, they splash again into new wars. The wars of the Persian Gulf, the Kurds, and Israel are beginning.
www.heritage.org www.heritage.org
www.aljazeera.com

The Middle East that Obama left behind

New US president inherits legacy of “perpetual warfare” in the region.
www.aljazeera.com www.aljazeera.com

Two of them say he created a power vacuum.

Saying this is all part of some plan and electing Obama was the power vacuum phase and the "was the power vacuum a mistake?" phase all in one is verging on CT territory.
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obama created power vacuums. so did bush and clinton. hell, bush sr. too. that's kinda their thing.
 
North Korea, Russia, and Iran is just two swwweeetttt.
 
I don't think this actually means all that much. It's sort of like how Sweden and Finland were soft members of NATO before joining. NK has been a soft Russian ally for a while but the current cold war is making these alliances firm up.
 
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