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[Rod1]

Eh i agree about definitions problems , i asked chatgp and it gave a longer definition but russia fits that as well, cant escape the fact that russia has significant presence in 3 different continents

Well considering the size of Russia, it does has a lot of presence just by geography alone.

Still a real world power can't just be turned into a pariah overnight, Russia did and while the world economy suffered slightly it was nothing markets couldn't solve.

 

[Cole train]

Well considering the size of Russia, it does has a lot of presence just by geography alone.

Still a real world power can't just be turned into a pariah overnight, Russia did and while the world economy suffered slightly it was nothing markets couldn't solve.

Russia is only pariah in west in my opinion and thats stretching atleast in europe since they are gaining influence in west europe with parties that have contacts to rus winning recently (france and austria plus in germany party was top 3. will be interesting how this plays out in future) Add countries from Africa and central asia as well internationally

Thats actually how russia sidelined sanctions considering certain electronic parts and weapon stuff with pro russian countries getting them for it.

Russias military will be out after this war but politically influence only seems to be growing currently

 

[Rod1]

Russia is only pariah in west in my opinion and thats stretching atleast in europe since they are gaining influence in west europe with parties that have contacts to rus winning recently (france and austria plus in germany party was top 3. will be interesting how this plays out in future) Add countries from Africa and central asia as well internationally

Thats actually how russia sidelined sanctions considering certain electronic parts and weapon stuff with pro russian countries getting them for it.

Russias military will be out after this war but politically influence only seems to be growing currently

- Kazakhstan just kicked Russians out and declared themselves to be under Chinese influence and declared they won't help Russia with sanctions-

- Armenia went pro-West.

- Chinese banks are abandoning Russia.

These "pro-Russian" countries have nothing pro-Rus, they are just taking advantage of Russia by selling them products at a markup and buying Russian goods at discounted prices.

Regimes in Africa that are pro-Rus are basically help with toothpicks and prime to collapse at any time.

Just like Iran a country with geographic relevance and energy will always find people to trade and do business with them, but that doesn't makes them "pro" anything, Russia is being taken advantage of.

 

[Cole train]

- Kazakhstan just kicked Russians out and declared themselves to be under Chinese influence and declared they won't help Russia with sanctions-

- Armenia went pro-West.

- Chinese banks are abandoning Russia.

These "pro-Russian" countries have nothing pro-Rus, they are just taking advantage of Russia by selling them products at a markup and buying Russian goods at discounted prices.

Regimes in Africa that are pro-Rus are basically help with toothpicks and prime to collapse at any time.

Just like Iran a country with geographic relevance and energy will always find people to trade and do business with them, but that doesn't makes them "pro" anything, Russia is being taken advantage of.

Economy wise russia is a mystery right now might collapse, might not depends on naybulina and war

You are wrong about pro rus countries in my experience atleast in asia, they have big pro rus elements due to soviet stuff as well as big anti rus elements in society for same reason but goverments remain pro rus in currently, africa is a different beast

Armenia no one cares about because they are not that important, russia betrayed them and nato country backed attack on them so whole position is fucked

Got any news conserning kazakstan? because i cant see anything new on google. Almost half of foreign companies in kazakstan are russian and goverment is extremely pro rus last i checked, i mean goverment invited russian security troops to put down riots in 2022

 

[Rod1]

Got any news conserning kazakstan? because i cant see anything new on google. Almost half of foreign companies in kazakstan are russian and goverment is extremely pro rus last i checked, i mean goverment invited russian security troops to put down riots in 2022

Authorities Rail Against Use of Kazakhstan in Circumventing International Sanctions Against Russia - The Times Of Central Asia

Kazakhstan's Deputy Foreign Minister Roman Vassilenko emphasized in an interview with the Polish publication PAP that the country seeks to prevent its

timesca.com

This is about sanctions.


About Central Asia pivot to China.

How China Is Leveraging Security Cooperation in Central Asia

The July 2024 Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) summit in in Astana, Kazakhstan provided China with another platform to highlight its vision for global governance and security. While the SCO has expanded to include states beyond Central Asia, the organization’s focus on fighting terrorism...

www.usip.org

And the riots part was before Ukraine war when Russia was seen as a real power.

 

[Rod1]

Economy wise russia is a mystery right now might collapse, might not depends on naybulina and war

Economy wise Russia is bound to collapse sooner or later, that's why they keep hiking interest rates as they keep printing money like there is no tomorrow to pay up all the military expenses.

Putin’s cash crunch

It’s time for Europe and the US to tighten the financial screws on Russia and accelerate an end to the war.

www.politico.eu

I mean its not going to be a total collapse but its still going to hurt.

 

[Cole train]

Authorities Rail Against Use of Kazakhstan in Circumventing International Sanctions Against Russia - The Times Of Central Asia

Kazakhstan's Deputy Foreign Minister Roman Vassilenko emphasized in an interview with the Polish publication PAP that the country seeks to prevent its

timesca.com

This is about sanctions.


About Central Asia pivot to China.

How China Is Leveraging Security Cooperation in Central Asia

The July 2024 Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) summit in in Astana, Kazakhstan provided China with another platform to highlight its vision for global governance and security. While the SCO has expanded to include states beyond Central Asia, the organization’s focus on fighting terrorism...

www.usip.org

And the riots part was before Ukraine war when Russia was seen as a real power.

That guy speaks very good politician

Wont help break sanctions but at same time ties between goverments remain close?, not to mention in august deputy prime minister said kaz wont enforce sanctions if they hurt local companies according to ukrainian epravda

Weiterleitungshinweis

www.google.com

Someone trying to play all sides imo lol

China is rising currently so they might pull central asia in future so we will see.

Economy wise Russia is bound to collapse sooner or later, that's why they keep hiking interest rates as they keep printing money like there is no tomorrow to pay up all the military expenses.

Putin’s cash crunch

It’s time for Europe and the US to tighten the financial screws on Russia and accelerate an end to the war.

www.politico.eu

I mean its not going to be a total collapse but its still going to hurt.

Yea naybulina expects economy to crash(tried to resign when war started) but how long it will it take is another thing

Turkey has interest rate at 50 percent and society still functions so who knows at the end

 

[Rod1]

said kaz wont enforce sanctions if they hurt local companies according to ukrainian epravda

Hurt local companies, as in getting hit by secondary sanctions?

As i said, they are opportunistic, not pro-Rus.

 

[Rod1]

Turkey has interest rate at 50 percent and society still functions so who knows at the end

Society still functions because a lot of that money printing goes into welfare to keep people relatively happy.

Russia is keeping high interests so that most resources go towards a war in a foreign land.

 

[Cid]

I belly laughed
Edit: seriously, right in the funny bone

He has a default setting where the west is the bad guy in all scenarios and it's impossible for autocrats to be responsible for their geopolitical interference/genocidal murder.

FFS were antagonizing China by responding to China's projection of power?

It's like the Simpsons episode with the homicidal Krusty doll set to evil only in real life and a million times more pathetic.

 

[BluntForceTrama]

What a shitty deal for certain North Koreans

It’s easy to take your freedom for granted.

These NK soldiers are conscripts who have no say in any of it. Theyre just oppressed tokens. I read South Korea was pretty damn involved in the Vietnam War , part of President Park’s utopia plan to rescue his country from post war induced poverty He paid for rewards with lives. But at least those involved were compensated monetarily. That force was composed largely of volunteers. in fact it was highly competitive to become part of this mercenary force.

These North Koreans in Ukraine are duckets for Russian missle or possibly nuclear technology. These dudes don’t get any sort of compensation. Payment in lives

And it’s been this way for so long people don’t give a shit, but that’s pure evil

 

[Possum Jenkins]

What do you think would the appetite of Russia to negotiate would be if the US stopped pumping billions into Ukraine?

a) Russia would be more willing to negotiate if Ukraine was weaker.

b) Russia would be less willing to negotiate if Ukraine was weaker.

c) Nothing would change.

Because it seems to me like Russia would feel less inclined to go to a negotiation table if they believe they can get away with the military solution.

Yeah, that's the conundrum that one op-ed I last posted brought up: If Western support declines, Putin might be emboldened and demand huge concessions on the one hand. On the other hand, you're not beating Russia even with hundreds of billions' worth of equipment. The Ukrainian military just cannot outlast the Russian one.

At this point, there's no easy solution that will result in long-lasting peace. Whatever ceasefire takes place will result in more tension for the future.

 

[Rod1]

you're not beating Russia even with hundreds of billions' worth of equipment. The Ukrainian military just cannot outlast the Russian one

You may not beat it, but you can grind it down to a stalemate where they may be willing to negotiate, any other option is basically Ukrainian capitulation.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

You may not beat it, but you can grind it down to a stalemate where they may be willing to negotiate, any other option is basically Ukrainian capitulation.

It's already kind of a stalemate though. I haven't followed it super closely but I remember Ukraine making some big gains early, but then Russia countering and getting the upper hand for this past year at least.

You have to show enough strength so that Putin doesn't go crazy in the negotiations but not get carried away and think you can actually win.

 

[Limbo Pete]

It's already kind of a stalemate though. I haven't followed it super closely but I remember Ukraine making some big gains early, but then Russia countering and getting the upper hand for this past year at least.

You have to show enough strength so that Putin doesn't go crazy in the negotiations but not get carried away and think you can actually win.

This is defeatist/apologist claptrap. If we had given them full support from the get go, instead of waffling around and stringing or delaying aid over months and months, the initial counter push from Ukraine could have been even more successful. Dude, Russia's military sucks. They fucking suck. The reason they are even still meat grindering themselves there is because they are fighting Ukraine lol. Supposed to be a massive punch down in weight, and yet here we are.
"Don't get crazy and think you can win" fuck all the way off

 

[Rod1]

It's already kind of a stalemate though.

If its an stalemate then what's your issue with the current pouring weapons into Ukraine.

Russia refuses to negotiate and will not negotiate until they achieve their goals, so any solution requires to actually bring Russia to the table and so far it seems they are only responding to military defeats.

 

[TheMaster]

Just days before the US election, North Korea has decided to remind the US they can be nuked by launching their longest range intercontinental ballistic missile yet.

It went 4500 miles up into space, so the projected range across earth at a horizontal trajectory is thought to be about 10,000 miles.

North Korea’s new ICBM could reach US – Tokyo

A North Korean intercontinental ballistic missile test-launched on Thursday could potentially reach the US, according to a Japanese official

www.rt.com

 

[Possum Jenkins]

If its an stalemate then what's your issue with the current pouring weapons into Ukraine.

Russia refuses to negotiate and will not negotiate until they achieve their goals, so any solution requires to actually bring Russia to the table and so far it seems they are only responding to military defeats.

Because it'll continue to be a stalemate no matter how many weapons the West pours. The only way Russia loses militarily is with actual NATO troops on the ground and we know that's not happening.

And I haven't heard any serious commentator or scholar say that Russia refuses to negotiate. Every article I've read on how to potentially end this discusses the conditions that each side would set in future negotiations but none say anything like "Ukraine is ready to sit and talk but Russia refuses."

 

[Rod1]

Because it'll continue to be a stalemate no matter how many weapons the West pours. The only way Russia loses militarily is with actual NATO troops on the ground and we know that's not happening.

So you want Ukraine to stop getting weapons so they lose faster? i don't follow your logic.

And I haven't heard any serious commentator or scholar say that Russia refuses to negotiate.

Weird, are thoise commentators or scholars part of the Russian government? because Russia literally keeps saying that their original goals still apply.

Every article I've read on how to potentially end this discusses the conditions that each side would set in future negotiations but none say anything like "Ukraine is ready to sit and talk but Russia refuses."

Ukraine has already stated several times that they are willing to negotiate with the condition of hard security guarantees.

Ukraine has repeatedly stated that any pre-condition to sitting on the table is to ensure that there won't be another war in the future and that requires Ukraine to have a solid guarantee that it won't happen.

Meanwhile Russia is saying that not only they want to demilitarize Ukraine, but the entirety of Eastern Europe.




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[Possum Jenkins]

So you want Ukraine to stop getting weapons so they lose faster? i don't follow your logic.

I want the fighting to stop because I don't think a military victory is achievable.

Weird, are thoise commentators or scholars part of the Russian government? because Russia literally keeps saying that their original goals still apply.

Nope. American academics working in the most mainstream universities. John Mearsheimer, Jeff Sachs, and Hal Brands just in this thread.

Ukraine has already stated several times that they are willing to negotiate with the condition of hard security guarantees.

Ukraine has repeatedly stated that any pre-condition to sitting on the table is to ensure that there won't be another war in the future and that requires Ukraine to have a solid guarantee that it won't happen.

Meanwhile Russia is saying that not only they want to demilitarize Ukraine, but the entirety of Eastern Europe.




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Yeah, that's how negotiations work, both sides ask for an unrealistic amount and then they work out a compromise somewhere in the middle.