Putin makes Holocaust denial a criminal offence punishable by up to five years in jail.

[uptheirons!]

If, in your studying (which is perfectly legal), you find proof that information about the holocaust has been fabricated on a mass scale you are perfectly able to submit it to international publications and literally change history.

What you are lamenting is that it's illegal in several countries for fucktards to spread disinformation on the internet or by handing out flyers on the street corners.

How do you know it's disinformation if you're not allowed to study it? Why should it be illegal if it's not hurting anyone? Why are you so sensitive about it, sweetheart?

 

[uptheirons!]

I find holocaust denial to be pretty shocking, but jailing people for forming an opinion (no matter how stupid) is obviously a 1st amendment violation. Should we jail flat-earthers too?

Flat-earthers should be jailed for their own safety. That's not the same as people who question something that was never allowed to be studied in any way other than the official narrative, and for which there is no physical or documentary evidence to support that narrative.

The fact that they were off by 3 million for 45 years speaks to the accuracy of the scholarship. No one is saying it didn't happen or that no one died, but they should be allowed to discuss it without repercussion.

 

[Deleted member 429137]

How do you know it's disinformation if you're not allowed to study it? Why should it be illegal if it's not hurting anyone? Why are you so sensitive about it, sweetheart?

Everyone is allowed to study it, genius. Absolutely everyone. And I told you the ways you can disseminate any history-changing information without breaking the law.

What you want legalized is the ability to for fucktards to spread disinformation.

"Won't anyone think of the fucktards?!" -- uptheirons! in this thread

 

[Snowfist]

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Explain yourselves, why should we have such a law in the US?

I was on the fence in this particular instance. However, I was thinking about Westboro Baptist Church and other hate groups that literally rock up and protest funerals. To me, there should be a limit to free speech.

I get that it's a slippery slope and maybe holocaust denial doesn't quite fit. But I think people protesting funerals should be charged because its just disgusting and dangerous. In the same way, it's illegal for someone to drop their pants and shit in public. If someone protests my family members funeral I think that gives me the right to kill them with my bare hands. It would fall under temporary insanity.

Ive been to Dachau. The whole world knows the holocaust happened. So it's not really free speech . It's just hate speech. It's just trolling. Normally I would say fantastic, let the idiots talk and discredit their kind even further and detract others from joining them, but when it can really incite violence perhaps it should be curtailed.

I still see both sides of the argument and admit it's a toss up.

 

[Tiny]

No...but when you vote in another libtard government...expect the SJW's to run the show on your freedoms...

 

[JbModest]

What’s the difference between the holocaust and a cow?

You can’t milk a cow for 80 years.

What's the difference between a holocaust denier and a cow?

The cow is smarter. Not to mention kosher!

Thank you! I'll be here all week!!

 

[uptheirons!]

Everyone is allowed to study it, genius. Absolutely everyone. And I told you the ways you can disseminate any history-changing information without breaking the law.

What you want legalized is the ability to for fucktards to spread disinformation.

"Won't anyone think of the fucktards?!" -- uptheirons! in this thread

You're very emotional, is your aunt flo in town?

 

[Quipling]

No...but when you vote in another libtard government...expect the SJW's to run the show on your freedoms...

Vladmir Putin is a sjw libtard now.

Amazing, the things I can learn on underground karate forums.

 

[Deleted member 429137]

You're very emotional, is your aunt flo in town?

What's an unemotional way to explain to you that fucktards everywhere are perfectly able to study the holocaust, they're just not allowed to spread lies about it in a select few countries, and that if they found actual information there are still ways they could publish it and change accepted history (but they haven't and won't because they only want to spread fucktardism)?

Please tell me.

 

[Quipling]

How do you know it's disinformation if you're not allowed to study it? Why should it be illegal if it's not hurting anyone? Why are you so sensitive about it, sweetheart?

People are allowed to study it. I suspect that you will have trouble coming up with anyone who got in trouble for studying or researching even in countries that criminalize denial. And, of course, lots of countries don't criminalize that either. Weird how the people who study it even in those countries haven't come up with substantive debunkings of the "official narrative."

 

[uptheirons!]

What's an unemotional way to explain to you that fucktards everywhere are perfectly able to study the holocaust, they're just not allowed to spread lies about it in a select few countries, and that if they found actual information there are still ways they could publish it and change accepted history (but they haven't and won't because they only want to spread fucktardism)?

Please tell me.

There has been published material and the authors are usually jailed. Just because you disagree with their conclusions doesn't make it hate speech or disinformation.

If you're confident in your position you shouldn't be scared of some "fucktards" expressing themselves when they're not hurting anyone.

I've never heard any revisionist insult anyone they way your sensitive ass does. Clearly you're on the rag so maybe we'll take this up in a week.

 

[uptheirons!]

People are allowed to study it. I suspect that you will have trouble coming up with anyone who got in trouble for studying or researching even in countries that criminalize denial. And, of course, lots of countries don't criminalize that either. Weird how the people who study it even in those countries haven't come up with substantive debunkings of the "official narrative."

A quick google search will reveal a list of people who've been punished for a studying and discussing their conclusions.

No one should be punished in any country for simply asking questions.

 

[Quipling]

A quick google search will reveal a list of people who've been punished for a studying and discussing their conclusions.

No one should be punished in any country for simply asking questions.

So why haven't scholars in locations that don't have these laws made these earthshattering findings? Or are you going to keep dodging the merits of the question.

Of course you are. No need to deny it.

 

[Tiny]

Vladmir Putin is a sjw libtard now.

Amazing, the things I can learn on underground karate forums.

Here in Canada...the libtard government has gone so fucking far left they are now dictating and controlling speech.

For example, this new fucking bill passed demands that everyone be called by their preferred pronoun, whether you WANT TO OR NOT. Sound familiar and identical to this thread?

We are slowly but surely losing our right to say anything negative for fear of upsetting or triggering anyone. Your right to not be upset trumps my right to freely argue, debate or post an idea. Once we enter that territory, discussion can no longer be had.

So yes...you've now learned something new today.

Enjoy.

 

[Quipling]

Here in Canada...the libtard government has gone so fucking far left they are now dictating and controlling speech.

For example, this new fucking bill passed demands that everyone be called by their preferred pronoun, whether you WANT TO OR NOT. Sound familiar and identical to this thread?

We are slowly but surely losing our right to say anything negative for fear of upsetting or triggering anyone. Your right to not be upset trumps my right to freely argue, debate or post an idea.

So yes...you've now learned something new today.

Enjoy.

The thread is about a law about Holocaust denial in Russia. Why are you pissing your panties about a different law in a different country?

 

[CauseImbetta]

I have always been a free speech advocate, especially regarding political speech. I don't see a need for these laws. I think they are stupid. I mean, if someone wants to claim the Holocaust never happened, what's the big deal? You can just tell them they are ridiculous and move on.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...s-denial-of-nazi-crimes-idUSBREA440IV20140505

Has Putin done the right thing? Should we have laws like this in America?

No doubt the numbers were exaggerated. Even the US archives say it was never 6 million. Thats a fact. But hey, if it makes congress, isreal, the jewish bankers and the media happy, stick with it.

The victors write the rules.

 

[Deleted member 429137]

There has been published material and the authors are usually jailed. Just because you disagree with their conclusions doesn't make it hate speech or disinformation.

If you're confident in your position you shouldn't be scared of some "fucktards" expressing themselves when they're not hurting anyone.

I've never heard any revisionist insult anyone they way your sensitive ass does. Clearly you're on the rag so maybe we'll take this up in a week.

The evidence for the holocaust is overwhelming and if you're going to challenge it, you better make sure your evidence is above reproach. The people you are talking about are fucktards who knowingly distort information and lie while purposefully riling up violent, deranged elements of society. There are plenty of avenues available to them if they would dedicate themselves to academia, if they would resist from undermining their own work with lies and if they would distance themselves from fucktard violent extremist movements.

And handful of countries have said that they're not going to allow these violent extremist movements peddle their bullshit. There are hundreds of countries around the world that will permit their violent lies.

Please tell me how to unemotionally let you know your ideas are idiotic and you're defending the ability of fucktards to spread hate in a small handful of countries, instead of defending actual academics and journalists.

I'm not joking. Apparently I am missing the mark on letting you know how stupid your ideas are.

 

[CauseImbetta]

I have always been a free speech advocate, especially regarding political speech. I don't see a need for these laws. I think they are stupid. I mean, if someone wants to claim the Holocaust never happened, what's the big deal? You can just tell them they are ridiculous and move on.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...s-denial-of-nazi-crimes-idUSBREA440IV20140505

Has Putin done the right thing? Should we have laws like this in America?

Jews dont own Russian congress, media or banks. So there you get a less biased perspective and ability to use critical thinking.

 

[Tiny]

The thread is about a law about Holocaust denial in Russia. Why are you pissing your panties about a different law in a different country?

democrats in the united states are very close in ideology to that of liberals in Canada.

In canada, the liberal government has gone full retard and has made it punishable by law to control speech...just as Putin has made it punishable by law to not deny the holocaust.

you asked how these two things relate I just explained it to you.

In case you've had your head up your ass this past year...people have gone full retard since Trump became president. People are getting triggered and upset about everything now, and everyone has been sexual harrassed.

Just watch how full retard the next democratic government becomes in an effort to make everyone currently triggered, feel better. Hell the last libtard government that just expired thought same sex washrooms were ideal.

I can't wait to see how bat shit crazy this next democratic government elected into office becomes. And with that you can enjoy your freedoms eroded away like we are in Canada.

 

[uptheirons!]

So why haven't scholars in locations that don't have these laws made these earthshattering findings? Or are you going to keep dodging the merits of the question.

Of course you are. No need to deny it.

Because even in the American scholars can be blackballed or have their lives threatened for questioning the official narrative. Look what happened to David Cole, a jew, for example.

You really have no idea of how controlled this issue is. Norman Finkelstein, a Jew who's parents actually lived through it, was railroaded for writing a book on how the Holocaust has become a money making industry. He doesn't even question what took place, but merely studies the "Holocaust Industry" as he calls it, and that lead to Dershowitz running a campaign preventing him from being tenured, so please don't play stupid about "scholars in locations that don't have these laws".