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[RoastBeast]

I'm thinking more when they get older though. I think most punk bands music dropped off when they got older. With Green Day they were probably very early 20's when they released Insomniac (agree that's their best record).

The guys I would argue maybe did evolve as they got older would be John Lydon with PiL and Ian Mackaye with Fugazi but idk if Sex Pistols and Minor Threat fans followed them.

What about Aerosmith? Steve Tyler was about 25 when Dream On came out and 50 when Jaded/Don't Want to Miss a Thing were big.

I believe country artist George Strait had 30 years in between his first and last #1 hits. Although country singers kind of don't count because they don't normally write all their own stuff.

Seems like most musicians have about a 10 year period where they can be in their prime. Some shorter, some a little longer. Most bands that hang on for too long just wind up making really bland and boring music in their older years. I'm not sure if they do it for themselves because it's just what they've always done and they enjoy it or if they really think that they're going to recapture the magic they once had? They wind up being equivalent to Rick Flair trying to wrestle with his flabby old man body in his 70s. Not a good look.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

What about Aerosmith? Steve Tyler was about 25 when Dream On came out and 50 when Jaded/Don't Want to Miss a Thing were big.

I believe country artist George Strait had 30 years in between his first and last #1 hits. Although country singers kind of don't count because they don't normally write all their own stuff.

Seems like most musicians have about a 10 year period where they can be in their prime. Some shorter, some a little longer. Most bands that hang on for too long just wind up making really bland and boring music in their older years. I'm not sure if they do it for themselves because it's just what they've always done and they enjoy it or if they really think that they're going to recapture the magic they once had? They wind up being equivalent to Rick Flair trying to wrestle with his flabby old man body in his 70s. Not a good look.

I haven't heard their albums from around then but Don't wanna miss a thing is a load of schmaltzy bollocks imo.

 

[Lycandroid]

LOL @ false idea of what music is

People like what they like. Who the fuck are you to judge their taste? A big reason people go to see old bands playing all their old music is so they can sing along. The familiarity is part of the fun. I like new stuff because it's new and unfamiliar and old stuff because it's old and familiar. I enjoy both. If you want to limit yourself go ahead but the rest of us will continue to enjoy what we enjoy.

way to not understand anything I said. My entire point is not limiting yourself, forcing bands to limit themselves is a huge part of the reason why there is this misconception that bands are only good when they are young.

 

[RoastBeast]

I haven't heard their albums from around then but Don't wanna miss a thing is a load of schmaltzy bollocks imo.

Well it was popular as hell and they had a big album at the same time as well.

Although now that I think about it, I don't think they wrote that song.

 

[HereticBD]

I haven't heard their albums from around then but Don't wanna miss a thing is a load of schmaltzy bollocks imo.

They pretty much sold out with "Get a Grip". Once those corny ass rock ballads started filling up their bank accounts, they never looked back. They were basically writing Bon Jovi songs.

 

[Andy Capp]

way to not understand anything I said. My entire point is not limiting yourself, forcing bands to limit themselves is a huge part of the reason why there is this misconception that bands are only good when they are young.

Nobody is forcing them to do anything. What you said is there is a false idea of what music is which is inane.

 

[Thrawn33]

You guys talking about older artists putting out some of their best work in their later years...

...maybe it's this shitty forum upgrade, but did none of you mention The Man in Black...Mr Johnny Cash? Shame.

 

[Lycandroid]

Nobody is forcing them to do anything. What you said is there is a false idea of what music is which is inane.

Music is supposed to be self expression, are you really expressing anything meaningful when you are doing the same thing for the 500th time ? How many times can you make the same point over and over and it still have an impact ?

They are absolutely forced. If you don't fit the formula you lose funding, you lose fans you lose contracts, you lose the ability to make a living unless you pander to the whims of people who want to hear nothing more than a 3 minute I V IV.

 

[Andy Capp]

Music is supposed to be self expression, are you really expressing anything meaningful when you are doing the same thing for the 500th time ? How many times can you make the same point over and over and it still have an impact ?

They are absolutely forced. If you don't fit the formula you lose funding, you lose fans you lose contracts, you lose the ability to make a living unless you pander to the whims of people who want to hear nothing more than a 3 minute I V IV.

I think you must be very young. What do you know about whether or not other people's self-expression is valid? Again, who are you to judge? When I'm singing someone else's song in the shower for the bajillionth time why would I accept from you that I'm not expressing myself? And anyway what do you mean supposed to be? According to who, you? Get over yourself.

On the other hand, sure, when we make it to an artist utopia where they're supported so they don't have to work if their art doesn't make any money, then great--be mad that they are still doing all their old stuff due to the record companies. In the mean time, it sucks if they have to choose between making money and putting out music no one wants to pay for, but in today's society lots of people have to choose between making a living and pursuing what they enjoy most. LOL @ forced.

 

[Lycandroid]

I think you must be very young. What do you know about whether or not other people's self-expression is valid? Again, who are you to judge? When I'm singing someone else's song in the shower for the bajillionth time why would I accept from you that I'm not expressing myself? And anyway what do you mean supposed to be? According to who, you? Get over yourself.

On the other hand, sure, when we make it to an artist utopia where they're supported so they don't have to work if their art doesn't make any money, then great--be mad that they are still doing all their old stuff due to the record companies. In the mean time, it sucks if they have to choose between making money and putting out music no one wants to pay for., but in today's society lots of people have to choose between making a living and pursuing what they enjoy most. LOL @ forced.

I'm probably older than you if I had to bet on it. I've worked in the music industry for 30 years, what I have said is a nearly universal truth amongst musicians. We don't need a utopia for artists to be able to freely express themselves, the music industry and the public used to be much more open to new ideas. The industry has squashed that by only funding what they think will make money. In 2024 all of the biggest artists of the day put out records that are forgotten before it's done spinning. The are no timeless records that will be relevant in 30 years. That is not because they aren't being made, infact more of them are being made than ever before by unimaginable level, but nobody is hearing them.

 

[Andy Capp]

I'm probably older than you if I had to bet on it. I've worked in the music industry for 30 years, what I have said is a nearly universal truth amongst musicians. We don't need a utopia for artists to be able to freely express themselves, the music industry and the public used to be much more open to new ideas. The industry has squashed that by only funding what they think will make money. In 2024 all of the biggest artists of the day put out records that are forgotten before it's done spinning. The are no timeless records that will be relevant in 30 years. That is not because they aren't being made, infact more of them are being made than ever before by unimaginable level, but nobody is hearing them.

Headline News!

This just in, capitalists only fund what they think will make money.

Film at 11.


Edit: it's hilarious to me how you seem to think you're contradicting me by proving my point.

 

[Scerpi]

I'm probably older than you if I had to bet on it. I've worked in the music industry for 30 years, what I have said is a nearly universal truth amongst musicians. We don't need a utopia for artists to be able to freely express themselves, the music industry and the public used to be much more open to new ideas. The industry has squashed that by only funding what they think will make money. In 2024 all of the biggest artists of the day put out records that are forgotten before it's done spinning. The are no timeless records that will be relevant in 30 years. That is not because they aren't being made, infact more of them are being made than ever before by unimaginable level, but nobody is hearing them.

The days have of having to listen to an entire album are over... Albums and cassette tapes kind of forced you into that unless you wanted to constant mess with the either moving the needle around to trying to fast forward/reverse on a tape all the time.

I'd say I knew the first three beastie boys albums inside and out because i had listened to them all the way through on a regular basis. Usually doing other things like working or riding a bike.

 

[Lycandroid]

Headline News!

This just in, capitalists only fund what they think will make money.

Film at 11.

It's only music if the capitalists deem it so is a terrible anti musical stance. I haven't proved your point, you have missed the point in this matter your entire life as do most people, you clearly have no authority to speak on this topic.

Back to the topic at hand, The Offspring could have handled this better, what kind of loser puts politics above a friend of over ten years ? You gotta keep those seperated.

The days have of having to listen to an entire album are over... Albums and cassette tapes kind of forced you into that unless you wanted to constant mess with the either moving the needle around to trying to fast forward/reverse on a tape all the time.

I'd say I knew the first three beastie boys albums inside and out because i had listened to them all the way through on a regular basis. Usually doing other things like working or riding a bike.

It's not just streaming to blame for this, we have so many distractions in our lives to most people it would seem weird to sit there and do nothing but listen to an album front to back. It takes a certain kind of person to do that and appreciate that kind of experience, we are a dying breed.

 

[Croo67]

Nothing says Rock and Roll like banging the drum for big pharma.

Up there with Green Day decrying Donald Trump, as if they’re not just parroting the same line as every major business and celebrity.

 

[Kassitus]

My friend got kicked out of his indie band for an antiwoke Facebook post.

 

[kflo]

They pretty much sold out with "Get a Grip". Once those corny ass rock ballads started filling up their bank accounts, they never looked back. They were basically writing Bon Jovi songs.

they weren’t even writing most of their songs by then. They were “co-writing” with pop writers.

 

[kflo]

BlackStar by Bowie is the perfect example of staying power. Great last album……

 

[Natural Order]

I'm probably older than you if I had to bet on it. I've worked in the music industry for 30 years, what I have said is a nearly universal truth amongst musicians. We don't need a utopia for artists to be able to freely express themselves, the music industry and the public used to be much more open to new ideas. The industry has squashed that by only funding what they think will make money. In 2024 all of the biggest artists of the day put out records that are forgotten before it's done spinning. The are no timeless records that will be relevant in 30 years. That is not because they aren't being made, infact more of them are being made than ever before by unimaginable level, but nobody is hearing them.

It's the exact same reason cinema has faltered.

 

[HereticBD]

It's the exact same reason cinema has faltered.

I think they have similar rules, in that if you want artistic freedom, you best generate money off of it. However, most artists have to at least initially play the game to get a foot in the door and any kind of freedom, if they want to be "artistic" in the mainstream and get rich.

I think both points are correct. Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. It's greed that drives the industries, personal and otherwise. However, if you want to tell the industry's corporate ladder to fuck off and do your own thing, you're free to do so. You're just gonna have to fund everything yourself, and hope whatever you're doing catches on. I think it's why we sometimes see established artists do just that in their later years. Because they have the money to do so, and don't have to worry if it fails.

 

[Natural Order]

I think they have similar rules, in that if you want artistic freedom, you best generate money off of it. However, most artists have to at least initially play the game to get a foot in the door and any kind of freedom, if they want to be "artistic" in the mainstream and get rich.

I think both points are correct. Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. It's greed that drives the industries, personal and otherwise. However, if you want to tell the industry's corporate ladder to fuck off and do your own thing, you're free to do so. You're just gonna have to fund everything yourself, and hope whatever you're doing catches on. I think it's why we sometimes see established artists do just that in their later years. Because they have the money to do so, and don't have to worry if it fails.

Too many people in both industries in it more for the revenue potential than the love of the craft, unfortunately.

There's a clear stagnancy and lull in creativity going on in both industries that I perceive. Plateaus in creativity are a hard thing for capitalism to deal with and I think you're seeing it now.

Combine a plateau in creativity with an opening of media so wide anybody can market themselves anywhere in the world at any moment in time and you have a recipe for disaster as far as I can tell.