Provide an argument for increasing fighter pay

[Mohawk Banditó]

You are actually the one mistaking the real product here. Which is the ufc.

Wrong. I DO get that. You just can't escape your mind from the capitalism 101 class you took and carved "Supply and demand" into the concrete you call your brain. I'm well aware of that and said it specifically.

The UFC makes many stars,

HAHA, no it doesn't.

there is almost unlimited fighter begging for a shot in the ufc. What is unique is the ufc itself, Dana, their marketing. The fighters aren’t special, the ufc is the one who creates their stories and gets you sucked in

Dana isn't unique. The exact same way that fighters can be replaced, so can he. The machine is running and will continue to run. And the fighters are the wheels on the ground. The UFC doesn't do shit to create stories. What WWE are you watching? You think they put great promotion into their fighters? Or is it just great promotion to be in the UFC. That's why there will always be another fighter, but if you keep pushing this "You should only pay people as little as you can get away with doing" mentality, you're gonna get a rude awakening.

So I believe we simply disagree. I believe the founders and brains of the ufc are more rare and talented and responsible for its wealth than replaceable fighters

Everyone is and will be replaced. Welcome to capitalism.

Also, I do agree. So keep prelim fighters at 15/15 no one comes to see them. Pay McGregor more though

You're a schmuck.

I think you must be uneducated. Running a business is extremely hard work and just as important and meaningful as the fighting itself.

You think it’s easy to create the ufc or run an event? You and no one you know could do it.

You think anyone I'm criticizing created the UFC and you're calling me uneducated? All your points are worthless, and only dependent on this money-generation theory you have when they ALREADY HAVE THE MONEY, and don't do shit with it.

Get to your sophomore year in your business degree and come back.

 

[Southpoor97]

So much disgusting shilliage in the O.P my brain hurts..


Now for the education and counter point section of my post.


Ever fighter , doesnt just work 40 mins a year ...or whatever number you produced for content..for every one the fights they take on...it means weeks and months of preparation both on the business side to meet media obligations and sponsor obligations as well as training 2 to 3 times a day with spot on nutrition preparing for war leading up to the fight with some of the greatest fighters the world has ever seen ...all while paying coaches and training partners ETC... It cost money to run a training camp for 8 to 10 weeks at a time...

The UFC is a promotion/League ..there job is to put on the sport of MMA and Grow it ...as the leader of the sport currently its on them to continue to grow it and increasing the fighters pay will attract more athletes...thus improving there own product/promotion

Fighters dont deserve NBA or Soccer Level pay that i agree but there should never be a UFC champion having to work a regular job to make ends meet or end there careers without making 1mil a fight....the starting pay for any UFC champion should be 1 million dollars..you shouldn't be crowned the best fighter in the world and make under 1 million in the premier fighting championship of the world.

Their job is not to grow the sport lol. They are a business and their job is to make money and provide profits for shareholders.

 

[Lee_]

I’m 27. Again, explain to me why they should get more.

A business is essentially inflows and outflows.
You are claiming a fighter who brings no added in flow should get more salary because he breaks his bone in the course of work.


Campaign for a changing of national or state laws, instead of acting like the ufc should just pay someone who got a boo boo more of their own hard earned money

Yeah, you are pretty young. By the time you are my age, you may well have a changed perspective.

You aren't going to get it, so it would be a waste to go round and round. Good chance you eventually will.

Best of luck my friend.

 

[Luthien]

We need the fighters hungry

 

[Southpoor97]

Wrong. I DO get that. You just can't escape your mind from the capitalism 101 class you took and carved "Supply and demand" into the concrete you call your brain. I'm well aware of that and said it specifically.

HAHA, no it doesn't.

Dana isn't unique. The exact same way that fighters can be replaced, so can he. The machine is running and will continue to run. And the fighters are the wheels on the ground. The UFC doesn't do shit to create stories. What WWE are you watching? You think they put great promotion into their fighters? Or is it just great promotion to be in the UFC. That's why there will always be another fighter, but if you keep pushing this "You should only pay people as little as you can get away with doing" mentality, you're gonna get a rude awakening.



Everyone is and will be replaced. Welcome to capitalism.



You're a schmuck.

You just cannot present an argument though buddy. I understand you feel stuck and frustrated so you need to lash I it.

You just admitted fighters are replaceable.

Why don’t you pay the fighters more if they are so morally deserving?


And no, I don’t regard the fighters jobs as more important than any other piece required to create a ufc event - from social media team, to security, to production, to marketing, to judges, to cut men, to Dana and match makers.


All are part of value creation.

 

[revoltub]

The PPV model MMA and Boxing follow are just not suited to give fair pay to every fighter. I think the only thing they could do is cut the "early prelim" fighters and then increase the pay for the rest of the fighters.

 

[Southpoor97]

Yeah, you are pretty young. By the time you are my age, you may well have a changed perspective.

You aren't going to get it, so it would be a waste to go round and round. Good chance you eventually will.

Best of luck my friend.

Aww cute. Nope, there is no getting it. You can’t explain your point so you are trying to use age. I’m more intelligent and successful than you regardless of my age.

Nice argument though lol.

 

[Southpoor97]

Yeah, you are pretty young. By the time you are my age, you may well have a changed perspective.

You aren't going to get it, so it would be a waste to go round and round. Good chance you eventually will.

Best of luck my friend.

I get your view by the way. That the world is full of people who unfairly rise to the top and manage other people’s labour and hard work to become rich off of it.

I just don’t agree with it. I think the people at the top hustled and deserve to be there.

I think I simply don’t really respect athletes that much overall so I think they shouldn’t be getting paid millions. So I don’t understand the moralistic deserve argument that they somehow should be rich because they fight in a violent sport.

i Don’t understand why they should get extra resources more than say a nurse

 

[Southpoor97]

After reviewing the replies. It’s funny that this is ultimately just an emotional issue.


Those wanting increased fighter pay all have elements of hatred for Dana white, big corporations, and capitalism. They are projecting their underdog mentality onto fighters.

Some of them are a bit homo erotic and think fighting is the most brave virtuous and awesome thing a man should do, and for that they should be rich.


But ultimately money doesn’t come out of thin air and no one can provide any data showing that fighters are receiving less revenue than they generate.

 

[Better Every Day]

1) Based on reviewing the numbers, the top 4-6 fighters on a card simply bring in all of the revenue and viewership.

If that were truly the case, the UFC should cut all the other fights and only do very small cards. They'd get the same revenue and viewership (according to you) for less expense.

So why doesn't the UFC do that? No doubt because your "reviewing the numbers" was done incorrectly.

For example, does not ESPN pay the UFC to provide fight cards with some certain quantity of fights? If so, how did you work that in to your calculations? Or did you just ignore that?

 

[Southpoor97]

If that were truly the case, the UFC should cut all the other fights and only do very small cards. They'd get the same revenue and viewership (according to you) for less expense.

So why doesn't the UFC do that? No doubt because your "reviewing the numbers" was done incorrectly.

For example, does not ESPN pay the UFC to provide fight cards with some certain quantity of fights? If so, how did you work that in to your calculations? Or did you just ignore that?

Because they pay for a certain amount of broadcasting time and advertisements rights. More fights = more adds.


They know the prelim fights will be watched by some, hence they still get at least 15/15 which is a lot of money for someone no one knows. But I think the prelim fighters could be ANYONE. They are just nameless content. So yes they deserve some pay like they get, but what they get is enough.


Can you provide a financial argument showing they should be paid more?

 

[RampageFaction]

Love the whole I’m-confused-convince-me-why fake genuine desire to comprehend that you put out there. Great job TS. Make sure you clock out at the UFC PI on your way out.

 

[Better Every Day]

I get your view by the way. That the world is full of people who unfairly rise to the top and manage other people’s labour and hard work to become rich off of it.

I just don’t agree with it. I think the people at the top hustled and deserve to be there.

That's certainly what the "people at the top" pay big money to have others repeatedly tell us.

 

[sherdogwantedtonamemekiki]

There isn't one. If the fighters want to keep getting paid shit, then that's that.

 

[Southpoor97]

Love the whole I’m-confused-convince-me-why fake genuine desire to comprehend that you put out there. Great job TS. Make sure you clock out at the UFC PI on your way out.

I am confused. I genuinely said I don’t underhand the opposite side. And I still don’t. I want an argument that makes sense to me why they should be paid more. I just got emotional reasons.

I have no affiliation to the UFC or Dana lol, I live in Australia. I just wonder why people are so deadset on increasing fighter pay. They are already paid above median wage and given a huge platform to become a star and create their own personal brands as well and I haven’t seen a financial argument for why they should be paid more.

You have no argument either. It’s actually insane that about 15 people have posted impassioned or angry replies about why they deserve it. But none are logical reasons.

 

[Southpoor97]

That's certainly what the "people at the top" pay big money to have others repeatedly tell us.

Lol take off tin foil hat and put the bong down.

you think rich people employ others to comment on sherdog. Your victim mentality is insane. Just work harder if you feel inferior to others

 

[Mike]

Because they pay for a certain amount of broadcasting time and advertisements rights. More fights = more adds.


They know the prelim fights will be watched by some, hence they still get at least 15/15 which is a lot of money for someone no one knows. But I think the prelim fighters could be ANYONE. They are just nameless content. So yes they deserve some pay like they get, but what they get is enough.


Can you provide a financial argument showing they should be paid more?

Well no lol, 15/15 isn't a lot of money. It isn't 1980.

 

[Southpoor97]

Well no lol, 15/15 isn't a lot of money. It isn't 1980.

I mean you are talking an unranked fighter who virtually no one knows. Why would they earn more than 15-30k for one fight?

You seem to think it’s weird that a fighter at the bottom of the ufc earns the same as the average person working 40 hours a week.

If you are unranked, and no one knowing who you are, I don’t see how you are worth more than someone in any other job.

 

[Southpoor97]

Well no lol, 15/15 isn't a lot of money. It isn't 1980.

You are not entitled to make lots of money just because you chose a sport that involves injuries. That is not how wages work.
No one is forcing fighters to fight. If it’s an unfair deal, get a different job

 

[Southpoor97]

That's certainly what the "people at the top" pay big money to have others repeatedly tell us.

You had a little argument before about ESPN and fight card quantity. What happened ?