Provide an argument for increasing fighter pay

[Southpoor97]

The money doesn't need to 'appear," it's already there.

Ok but that isn’t money that they generated. Why should the UFC just give away their money because someone got hurt in a fight?

Why aren’t you campaigning for apple to double all wages in light of their huge profits

 

[fedoriswar37]

People who put their lives at risk to entertain us deserve more money. That's it. That's the argument.

 

[Better Every Day]

Less pay = fight more = fight harder = better 4 fans!

Less pay = less ability for fighters to get quality training = fighting less skillfully = worse for fans

 

[ChimRichalds]

Fair enough I’m fairly new to the site. Was hoping to have an honest and civil debate to understand the points, but ok.

People around here generally don't do civil or honest, unfortunately. Don't let it dissuade you, sherbro.

 

[Southpoor97]

Not to be insulting, but the logic of the OP is beyond atrocious. This paragraph in particular is a giant facepalm. It isn't worth trying to debate this perspective, because the person just will never get it; at least not any time soon.

Those who are out there performing need to get the kind of cut that they do in major pro sports, which is 50%. There is a certain amount of revenue, and the idea of fighters being overpaid means directly that management should get a bigger cut if the revenue, which they shouldn't. They aren't the ones out their getting bones broken. The fans don't fill the stadiums to see Dana, they are there to see the fighters.

You call me stupid but you present a bunch of unsupported opinions.

I mean it’s just your opinions that broken bones should mean more pay.

I don’t understand how breaking your bone generates money or entitles you to more pay.

Please explain.

 

[Lee_]

Meh… Not this again

It took a couple years but we finally got away from all the endless fighter pay threads

Let’s please not open those can of worms again

It’s the same conversation again and again. Nothing new is ever said or learned

And at the end of the day we can do anything about it.

It’s up to the fighters to change things

You are badly mistaken if you think Sherdog debates don't change the world.

 

[Southpoor97]

People who put their lives at risk to entertain us deserve more money. That's it. That's the argument.

They don’t put their “lives on the line”. Has a ufc fighter ever died in competition? Maybe one or two max?
They aren’t doing it for your entertainment but for money.

And again, putting their life on the line doesn’t generate revenue. That’s some weird moralistic argument that doesn’t account for generating the money

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Ok but that isn’t money that they generated. Why should the UFC just give away their money because someone got hurt in a fight?

Why aren’t you campaigning for apple to double all wages in light of their huge profits

It's generated off their backs. Anyone can work a cash register, but if you're exploiting your employees, you do need to pay them

You're creating a farcical argument of money generation for a machine that will continue to run and earn money anyway, AND adding a false sense on importance to it too. Are people paying money to see Dana White in the audience?

Also, I am doing that too, so take your hypocrisy and shove it, Yrat, ya bootlicker

 

[Lee_]

You call me stupid but you present a bunch of unsupported opinions.

I mean it’s just your opinions that broken bones should mean more pay.

I don’t understand how breaking your bone generates money or entitles you to more pay.

Please explain.

1) I didn't say you were stupid, I said you logic here is atrocious.

2) I said you would never get it, and you demonstrated it by the broken bone bit, totally missing the point.

Tell me honestly, how old are you?

 

[Clark Rogers]

I think they need some adjustments, but I'm probably somewhere in the middle of the prevailing extremes you'll find here.

I do think they need some sort of health care beyond just camp. I also think the revenue split needs increased in the fighter's favor. Pension and/or 401k would be good, too.

I don't think every Tom, Dick, and Harry that steps in the cage should get all that, though. That's where it gets dicey to me, idk how to implement it right, but i don't think every 3 or 4 fight undercard no name that never drew a dollar should qualify for all of that, nor do I think all of those types are underpaid today.

Idk if the right answer is a fight minimum, win minimum, years of service minimum, some combo of those, but I think there's some way to do it. Kinda like the usual benefit differences between part time and full time you see in other fields.

 

[Southpoor97]

It's generated off their backs. Anyone can work a cash register, but if you're exploiting your employees, you do need to pay them

You're creating a farcical argument of money generation for a machine that will continue to run and earn money anyway, AND adding a false sense on importance to it too. Are people paying money to see Dana White in the audience?

You are actually the one mistaking the real product here. Which is the ufc.


The UFC makes many stars, there is almost unlimited fighter begging for a shot in the ufc. What is unique is the ufc itself, Dana, their marketing. The fighters aren’t special, the ufc is the one who creates their stories and gets you sucked in.



So I believe we simply disagree. I believe the founders and brains of the ufc are more rare and talented and responsible for its wealth than replaceable fighters.


Also, I do agree. So keep prelim fighters at 15/15 no one comes to see them. Pay McGregor more though

 

[laleggenda27]

1. I don't want the very top guys to get paid more, simply because history has shown that when fighters make top dollar, they become insanely inactive, hold up divisions, and cherry pick opponents.
2. Every other fighter (~95% of the roster) is dreadfully underpaid.
3. I don't really care because it's not my money. If they want more money/benefits, they should organize (union or otherwise). In the meantime, it's none of my business.

So I'll see myself out.

 

[Southpoor97]

It's generated off their backs. Anyone can work a cash register, but if you're exploiting your employees, you do need to pay them

You're creating a farcical argument of money generation for a machine that will continue to run and earn money anyway, AND adding a false sense on importance to it too. Are people paying money to see Dana White in the audience?

Also, I am doing that too, so take your hypocrisy and shove it, Yrat, ya bootlicker

I think you must be uneducated. Running a business is extremely hard work and just as important and meaningful as the fighting itself.

You think it’s easy to create the ufc or run an event? You and no one you know could do it.

 

[avenue94]

Meh… Not this again

My soul can only take so much.

 

[FightFan87]

fighters get their regular contracted pay, and some scale to payout a percentage of profits made from whatever event they are participating in. Also get them in seminars about viral marketing, self promotion.
Argument for that would be fighters wanting to fight more often, and compete to get on cards more. A different kind of competition that could lead to some interesting cards.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

So much disgusting shilliage in the O.P my brain hurts..


Now for the education and counter point section of my post.


Ever fighter , doesnt just work 40 mins a year ...or whatever number you produced for content..for every one the fights they take on...it means weeks and months of preparation both on the business side to meet media obligations and sponsor obligations as well as training 2 to 3 times a day with spot on nutrition preparing for war leading up to the fight with some of the greatest fighters the world has ever seen ...all while paying coaches and training partners ETC... It cost money to run a training camp for 8 to 10 weeks at a time...

The UFC is a promotion/League ..there job is to put on the sport of MMA and Grow it ...as the leader of the sport currently its on them to continue to grow it and increasing the fighters pay will attract more athletes...thus improving there own product/promotion

Fighters dont deserve NBA or Soccer Level pay that i agree but there should never be a UFC champion having to work a regular job to make ends meet or end there careers without making 1mil a fight....the starting pay for any UFC champion should be 1 million dollars..you shouldn't be crowned the best fighter in the world and make under 1 million in the premier fighting championship of the world.

 

[Southpoor97]

1) I didn't say you were stupid, I said you logic here is atrocious.

2) I said you would never get it, and you demonstrated it by the broken bone bit, totally missing the point.

Tell me honestly, how old are you?

I’m 27. Again, explain to me why they should get more.

A business is essentially inflows and outflows.
You are claiming a fighter who brings no added in flow should get more salary because he breaks his bone in the course of work.


Campaign for a changing of national or state laws, instead of acting like the ufc should just pay someone who got a boo boo more of their own hard earned money

 

[Southpoor97]

So much disgusting shilliage in the O.P my brain hurts..


Now for the education and counter point section of my post.


Ever fighter , doesnt just work 40 mins a year ...or whatever number you produced for content..for every one the fights they take on...it means weeks and months of preparation both on the business side to meet media obligations and sponsor obligations as well as training 2 to 3 times a day with spot on nutrition preparing for war leading up to the fight with some of the greatest fighters the world has ever seen ..

The UFC is a promotion/League ..there job is to put on the sport of MMA and Grow it ...as the leader of the sport currently its on them to continue to grow it and increasing the fighters pay will attract more athletes...thus improving there own product/promotion

Fighters dont deserve NBA or Soccer Level pay that i agree but there should never be a UFC champion having to work a regular job to make ends meet or end there careers without making 1mil a fight....the starting pay for any UFC champion should be 1 million dollars..you shouldn't be crowned the best fighter in the world make under 1 million in the premier fighting championship of the world.

shoulda woulda could make more for being a champion.

You’re very idealistic.

sorry but Jamahal hill doesn’t generate a million. I don’t care if you think that morally the best fighters should be paid well, they simply don’t bring in enough revenue.

 

[avenue94]

Fair enough I’m fairly new to the site. Was hoping to have an honest and civil debate to understand the points, but ok.

Not to toot my own horn, but go search some of the threads I've made in the past few years or @Dreyga. You'll find plenty of debate across the spectrum of civility.

 

[Southpoor97]

So much disgusting shilliage in the O.P my brain hurts..


Now for the education and counter point section of my post.


Ever fighter , doesnt just work 40 mins a year ...or whatever number you produced for content..for every one the fights they take on...it means weeks and months of preparation both on the business side to meet media obligations and sponsor obligations as well as training 2 to 3 times a day with spot on nutrition preparing for war leading up to the fight with some of the greatest fighters the world has ever seen ..

The UFC is a promotion/League ..there job is to put on the sport of MMA and Grow it ...as the leader of the sport currently its on them to continue to grow it and increasing the fighters pay will attract more athletes...thus improving there own product/promotion

Fighters dont deserve NBA or Soccer Level pay that i agree but there should never be a UFC champion having to work a regular job to make ends meet or end there careers without making 1mil a fight....the starting pay for any UFC champion should be 1 million dollars..you shouldn't be crowned the best fighter in the world make under 1 million in the premier fighting championship of the world.

Btw, throwing the shill insult just shows you are frustrated you don’t have a complete argument.

everyone argument in this thread has been “fighters get hurt, or fighters work hard, or ufc makes a lot of money so share some around”.

none of that entitles someone to more money.