Elections Project 2025 major right wing groups plan on creating a new super super pack

[BFoe]

This is what my uncaffeinated ass wanted to address up above.

I noted in the RNC thread that while there's a fair degree of unilateral power to be wielded in the form of directives, focus, and organization, the policies are invariably temporary and quickly reversed by the next Admin. Moreover, executive departments and agencies were created and given their mandates through acts of Congress. They can't operate or even exist independent of funding that can only be passed by Congress. They are subject to oversight from Congress, and the most transformative Final Solution of proposals will be outright dependent on Congressional approval. A president's agenda at large essentially hinges on compliant Congressional legislation. There's a good reason why Congress (or "lawmakers") is mentioned and referenced all over the place in various sections of 2025.

I want to point out that executive action is not always easily changed. Look at DACA: that was an EO by Obama, which the Trump Admin quickly tried to rescind—only to find it wasn’t so easy. Both sides have cintinues to go back and forth over DACA for years, and all sorts of Dreamers have appeals going through the judicial system. With the stroke of a pen in 2012, Obama created something we are still fucking with and litigating 12 years later.

I also disagree on the funding. For example: Project 2025 supports enacting rules to siphon public education money and flow it to private religious schools. That funding *will* exist—like, Congess is not going to just stop funding the Dept of Education, right? They don’t have to secure any new funding to do this. A lot of stuff is like that in Project 2025, taking what is and will be there and sort of diverting it for their own needs.

Oversight from Congress? That’s so effective that Jim Jordan still hasn’t shown up to honor his subpoena re: Jan 6. Impeachment? Good luck having the numbers for that. Same thing for passing laws to stop them, which can be stopped in their tracks with one stroke of Trump’s veto pen, or one bang of the gavel from a zillion right wing judges.

We are in some real governmental trouble here, and I think we need to take this Project 2025 proposal very seriously. I’m frankly blown the fuck away that groups have put this much effort into seeing how many ways they can wield crazy executive power to achieve what were legislative goals, across all of these areas. It’s staggering.

Since we had both replied to @Fox by the Sea ill tag him here too.

 

[Deorum]

This is what my uncaffeinated ass wanted to address up above.

I want to point out that executive action is not always easily changed. Look at DACA: that was an EO by Obama, which the Trump Admin quickly tried to rescind—only to find it wasn’t so easy. Both sides have cintinues to go back and forth over DACA for years, and all sorts of Dreamers have appeals going through the judicial system. With the stroke of a pen in 2012, Obama created something we are still fucking with and litigating 12 years later.

I also disagree on the funding. For example: Project 2025 supports enacting rules to siphon public education money and flow it to private religious schools. That funding *will* exist—like, Congess is not going to just stop funding the Dept of Education, right? They don’t have to secure any new funding to do this. A lot of stuff is like that in Project 2025, taking what is and will be there and sort of diverting it for their own needs.

Oversight from Congress? That’s so effective that Jim Jordan still hasn’t shown up to honor his subpoena re: Jan 6. Impeachment? Good luck having the numbers for that. Same thing for passing laws to stop them, which can be stopped in their tracks with one stroke of Trump’s veto pen, or one bang of the gavel from a zillion right wing judges.

We are in some real governmental trouble here, and I think we need to take this Project 2025 proposal very seriously. I’m frankly blown the fuck away that groups have put this much effort into seeing how many ways they can wield crazy executive power to achieve what were legislative goals, across all of these areas. It’s staggering.

Since we had both replied to @Fox by the Sea ill tag him here too.

Trump doesn't know anything, man. lol.

Yesterday:



And yeah, there was a substantial amount of text and various examples you posted in response to me in that thread which I didn't address. You can take that as a concession (and doubt it'll ever to be challenged either). As noted in a post later on in the thread:

It's an elimination diet for what the authors view as an excessively bloated federal bureaucracy. I admittedly haven't read the sections on the DOJ, EPA, or Department of Education that a lot of the more serious criticisms have been centered around, and a large part of the liberal American cohort utterly adores those.

To be fair: We're talking about a 900+ page manifesto with at least 30 chapters or some crazy shit, I don't think anybody has come remotely close to consuming it in full entirety, seems like most people just leap into the sections and areas of highest personal intrigue. You might find this interesting; the account runs through every accusation levied by Hamill's meme and does straight up admit that the Project aims to eliminate the Department of Education.

They certainly have been wielded that way. It’s crazy that SCOTUS basically carved out the power of judicial review for itself, and then over time has turned it into a massive weapon. I think currently, the judiciary is probably the most powerful branch in practice based on how the Roberts Court has wielded that power.

Imho we’d do well to check that power and keep any Project 2025ers away from the executive branch, and try and get this country functioning more like it was intended.

Congress, bruh. The Constitutional power it holds is legitimately immense. The only problem is that you haven't got the necessary majority to actually follow through on this, and who knows if or when Dems ever will in the foreseeable future. You already know there isn't a single Republican in Congress that is going to cross the aisle.

Congress may define the jurisdiction of the judiciary through the simultaneous use of two powers. First, Congress holds the power to create (and, implicitly, to define the jurisdiction of) federal courts inferior to the Supreme Court (i.e. Courts of Appeals, District Courts, and various other Article I and Article III tribunals). This court-creating power is granted both in the congressional powers clause (Art. I, § 8, Cl. 9) and in the judicial vesting clause (Art. III, § 1).

Congress has the power to make exceptions to and regulations of the appellate jurisdiction of the Supreme Court. This court-limiting power is granted in the Exceptions Clause (Art. III, § 2). By exercising these powers in concert, Congress may effectively eliminate any judicial review of certain federal legislative or executive actions and of certain state actions, or alternatively transfer the judicial review responsibility to state courts by "knocking [federal courts] ... out of the game."

 

[ShadowRun]

Whoops NPC’s fall for another MSM talking point

 

[BFoe]

Trump doesn't know anything, man. lol.

Yesterday:

Haha yes, we should all be very at ease when the dude who tried to submit fraudulent electors in 7 states tells us he’s not an extremist.
In seriousness, Project 2025 provides the potential mechanisms for so much of the troubling stuff that Trump is campaigning on, it’s hard not to believe he knows about it and is absolutely going to try and implement it.

I saw that True/False thing from them and was shocked at what they admitted to. I want to quickly mention a couple things to point out how misleading they are though.

1. They definitely discuss prohibitions and bans on emergency contraception, they just characterize those as AbOrTiON PiLLs. Then they say, “oh, we aren’t restricting contraception…” They absolutely are. They’re just playing with semantics.
2. Same for repeal of the ACA. It’s true they don’t call for that, because that’s a legislative function and they are only considered with the executive. They call for a series of rule and regulation changes that basically rips the guts out of the ACA and makes it useless. It’s not technically a repeal but might as well be since the ACA would basically not function anymore. Their response is very dishonest on this.

Those accusations against the, kind of piss me off because people are still thinking in terms of legislative action, because that’s how these things are *supposed* to function. Project 2025 operates very differently.

Congress, bruh. The Constitutional power it holds is legitimately immense. The only problem is that you haven't got the necessary majority to actually follow through on this, and who knows if or when Dems ever will in the foreseeable future. You already know there isn't a single Republican in Congress that is going to cross the aisle.

Congress may define the jurisdiction of the judiciary through the simultaneous use of two powers. First, Congress holds the power to create (and, implicitly, to define the jurisdiction of) federal courts inferior to the Supreme Court (i.e. Courts of Appeals, District Courts, and various other Article I and Article III tribunals). This court-creating power is granted both in the congressional powers clause (Art. I, § 8, Cl. 9) and in the judicial vesting clause (Art. III, § 1).

Congress has the power to make exceptions to and regulations of the appellate jurisdiction of the Supreme Court. This court-limiting power is granted in the Exceptions Clause (Art. III, § 2). By exercising these powers in concert, Congress may effectively eliminate any judicial review of certain federal legislative or executive actions and of certain state actions, or alternatively transfer the judicial review responsibility to state courts by "knocking [federal courts] ... out of the game."

I mean, you said it yourself. I think that Trump winning the presidency and Dems winning control of both houses in the same election is highly unlikely. Plus we’d need enough Dems to override a Trump veto. Very tough to do.

But the main thing is, passing laws takes a long time. Executive actions are quick. We’d of course try to stop all of this through legislative and judicial means, but those systems move very slowly. If they truly are ready to put a framework into place and start these actions quickly, we’d never keep up. We’d be stuck in the legislative gridlock and legal litigation over shit for ages while they keep rattling off EO after EO.

 

[herpd807]

Better than to live in ignorance, you tool.

If Trump walks off into the sunset after his last term is up and...like before, none of your doom and gloom predictions come true...it's not ignorance. It's called reality.

 

[BFoe]

Whoops chuds fall for another Trump talking point

FTFY bud. You guys are so gullible.
Trump knows branding and advertising, and Project 2025 has way too much bad publicity. Of course he’s going to carry out the at least a large part of the agenda, he’s campaigning on many of the same exact things lol. Imagine taking anything Trump said as being sincere. Smh.

 

[ShadowRun]

FTFY bud. You guys are so gullible.
Trump knows branding and advertising, and Project 2025 has way too much bad publicity. Of course he’s going to carry out the at least a large part of the agenda, he’s campaigning on many of the same exact things lol. Imagine taking anything Trump said as being sincere. Smh.

Find a clip of Trump talking about being pro 2025 I’ll wait

 

[White Whale]

Project 25 wants to end the Department of Education that's good thing they need to also end the FBI and CIA.

 

[I Am Legion]

Yawn. Always will be far right-wing nuts, like there are far left nutjobs. Right now this stuff is an over response the far left progressives that have too much power right now and are doing legit damage to the country. Who gives a flying fuck about a manifesto from people with no power? Right NOW we have millions of dangerous people from all over the world in our country that were just let in. Draining resources, committing crimes. We have inflation so bad people are struggling to buy groceries. The left have become loony birds, including trying to shoot Trump. But let's focus on some far-right idiots.

 

[BFoe]

Find a clip of Trump talking about being pro 2025 I’ll wait

Are you missing my point intentionally?
Trump can call it whatever he likes.

They want to reinstate his EO on Schedule F, so does he.
They want to weaponize the DOJ, so does he.
They wants to flow massive power to immigration officials and engage in mass deportations, so does he.

It’s stilly to believe his claim that he opposes Project 2025 when they support many of the same things.

 

[HereticBD]

Find a clip of Trump talking about being pro 2025 I’ll wait

You think that matters to him? The cult says Trump will somehow implement all this crazy shit, therefore it is true. Trump denies it? Doesn't matter. Trump publicly calls it extreme and ridiculous? Doesn't matter. Trump disavows it publicly and in front of his supporters? Doesn't matter. Explained why even if Trump wanted to do it, that the government is set up in a way where it would be impossible? Doesn't matter.

Remember, you're talking to people who believed there was a tape with Russian hookers pissing on Trump, and that a garage door pulley in Bubba Wallace's garage was a fucking noose left by white supremacists.

 

[ShadowRun]

Are you missing my point intentionally?
Trump can call it whatever he likes.

They want to reinstate his EO on Schedule F, so does he.
They want to weaponize the DOJ, so does he.
They wants to flow massive power to immigration officials and engage in mass deportations, so does he.

It’s stilly to believe his claim that he opposes Project 2025 when they support many of the same things.

Weaponizing doj is in project 2025 oh wow show me where right after you find a clip of him being pro 2025

You sound pretty ridiculous, don’t let the orange hate blind you bro .

 

[BFoe]

Weaponizing doj is in project 2025 oh wow show me where

Lmao did you try reading the entire section about the DOJ?
But please, do continue to tell me how I am totally wrong about that thing I am reading that you have not read.

 

[BFoe]

Yawn. Always will be far right-wing nuts, like there are far left nutjobs. Right now this stuff is an over response the far left progressives that have too much power right now and are doing legit damage to the country. Who gives a flying fuck about a manifesto from people with no power? Right NOW we have millions of dangerous people from all over the world in our country that were just let in. Draining resources, committing crimes. We have inflation so bad people are struggling to buy groceries. The left have become loony birds, including trying to shoot Trump. But let's focus on some far-right idiots.

Right—who cares about a manifesto from people with no power?

The Communist Manifesto was written long before the Russian Revolution.
Mein Kampf was written before the Nazi Party achieved most of their power.

If a manifesto has a bunch of dangerous ideas, the proper time to worry about it is in fact before they get power lol. It’s kind of too late afterwards.

 

[ShadowRun]

Lmao did you try reading the entire section about the DOJ?
But please, do continue to tell me how I am totally wrong about that thing I am reading that you have not read.

Go ahead and link me , seems like the left is more obsessed with that than conservatives.

 

[BFoe]

Go ahead and link me , seems like the left is more obsessed with that than conservatives.

I’ve linked it a couple of times but here it is again.

https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf

Is this gonna be the part where you skim it for like 12 seconds and go “meh, it’s probably fine”?

I’m still working through it because it’s absolutely massive. But seriously, spend some time reading this shit.

 

[ShadowRun]

I’ve linked it a couple of times but here it is again.

https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf

Is this gonna be the part where you skim it for like 12 seconds and go “meh, it’s probably fine”?

I’m still working through it because it’s absolutely massive. But seriously, spend some time reading this shit.

I’ll check it out it feels like some extreme hard right conservative wrote it but I don’t know much about it . Thx for the link .. yea I heard it’s like 900 pages

 

[Islam Imamate]

Right—who cares about a manifesto from people with no power?

The Communist Manifesto was written long before the Russian Revolution.
Mein Kampf was written before the Nazi Party achieved most of their power.

If a manifesto has a bunch of dangerous ideas, the proper time to worry about it is in fact before they get power lol. It’s kind of too late afterwards.

And notice how he blames the left for the shooting of Trump when we don't have a motive and Trump was shot by a gun nut in a deep red county that he won with 66% of the vote.

 

[Islam Imamate]

There's at least some semblance of counter-balance, at least with the aforementioned states like the Dakotas and Big Wyo considering the sparse populations translate to only three (3) electoral votes in POTUS elections and one (1) single at-large representative in the House of US Congress. They deserve those damn Senators (glad you agree). But nationwide and on the whole, you're also correct about the House: it's still slanted towards rural communities and, well, undeniably undemocratic. I think the 435 cap has been in place for over a century now, no?

I live and work in an expanding urban area. It's been a perpetual boomtown for construction and industry down here in AZ my entire adult life, and I have all but documented it as the burgeoning high-tech manufacturing capital of the USA. I maintain strong sympathies for rural states with commodity-based economies that hinge on primary sector activity and production. I have assets, investments, family, and cultural connections there. People in liberal strongholds tend to assume they vote red on account of conservative social values with a strong dash of religiousity and 2A rights while framing them as the worst people in society. But they also do so because it means fewer regulations on key industries, regulations which threaten the state's prosperity.

Tbh I do think most people vote on vibes and cultural stuff so I'm not really buying that your average rural voter cares about industrial policy and if they did they'd be crediting Biden and gearing up to vote for him. The same is true of urban voters of course, if they vote Dem it won't be because of the CHIPS Act but because Dems are associated with progressive social policy.

 

[Deorum]

Tbh I do think most people vote on vibes and cultural stuff so I'm not really buying that your average rural voter cares about industrial policy and if they did they'd be crediting Biden and gearing up to vote for him. The same is true of urban voters of course, if they vote Dem it won't be because of the CHIPS Act but because Dems are associated with progressive social policy.

The liberal rhetoric around climate change and the environmental regulations that need to be imposed to allegedly thwart it absolutely do play a role in how rural America votes, brother. At least where I'm from -- it's a big deal for the likes of farmers, ranchers, coal miners, and people that work in the oil and gas industry for a living. They see the things going on in other western countries that are ahead of America on this issue. I'm not saying it's the principal driver and did acknowledge god 'n guns, but it's there.