Elections Project 2025 major right wing groups plan on creating a new super super pack

[oldshadow]

What has that got to do with my post shoving your lie that Trump made nothing while in office right back up your arse where it came from? Absolutely nothing, that's what.

You might want to cut back on the edibles.

I posted he didn't keep his salary I didn't say any company that he was not in control of didn't make money.

He was not running any company that he owed while he was president from what I understand.

 

[BFoe]

I don't think it's equal on paper or in theory. To me, Congress is by far the most powerful branch of the federal government. If it is in unified majority lockstep, that is. The reality is that it's often in political gridlock in practice. And that same gridlock is what is most chiefly responsible for so much power being de facto transferred and yielded to the Supreme Court, which has essentially been legislating from the bench. It's also a powerful tool in relation to another DJT Admin, actually. It's crazy because Congress doesn't have power to merely "check" the SCOTUS, it can castrate and fuck it over in more ways than you can shake a stick at -- but not as it is now in this political climate.

You don’t think it’s equal in theory? Congress is 535 members, 2 houses, which can be under the control of different parties. It’s hard to get something passed by both houses, and then there’s one dude that can slap a veto on it and say “Nope,” and congress has to come together to an even greater degree to over come that? Or if they do, or if the Pres is on board and sings the law, a group of 6 judges minimum can strike it down at will?

I agree about SCOTUS legislating from the bench, we have quite an activist court at the moment, it’s pretty nuts. They’re grabbing an awful lot of power for themselves these days as well.

 

[Limbo Pete]

You don’t think it’s equal in theory? Congress is 535 members, 2 houses, which can be under the control of different parties. It’s hard to get something passed by both houses, and then there’s one dude that can slap a veto on it and say “Nope,” and congress has to come together to an even greater degree to over come that? Or if they do, or if the Pres is on board and sings the law, a group of 6 judges minimum can strike it down at will?

I agree about SCOTUS legislating from the bench, we have quite an activist court at the moment, it’s pretty nuts. They’re grabbing an awful lot of power for themselves these days as well.

Also, they aren't just grabbing power because Congress is allowing it, they are grabbing power that prevents Congress from checking them. Undoing Chevron was an enorrrrrrrrmous judicial power grab, and the legislature can't just undo it by coming together and passing a law. The SC is deliberately imbalancing our system, putting themselves on top -firmly- then the executive, and then the legislative

 

[Deorum]

You don’t think it’s equal in theory? Congress is 535 members, 2 houses, which can be under the control of different parties. It’s hard to get something passed by both houses, and then there’s one dude that can slap a veto on it and say “Nope,” and congress has to come together to an even greater degree to over come that? Or if they do, or if the Pres is on board and sings the law, a group of 6 judges minimum can strike it down at will?

I agree about SCOTUS legislating from the bench, we have quite an activist court at the moment, it’s pretty nuts. They’re grabbing an awful lot of power for themselves these days as well.

I'd say they're closer to co-equals in practice, in large part due to an often gridlocked Congress that you further expanded on. It's quite a feat to acquire even a simple majority in both chambers for any length of time. You often see people mentioning things like court packing or impeachment as options for Congress to check the SCOTUS but it also has the vested power of legislative overrides and jurisdiction stripping (outright preventing certain types of cases from being appealed to the court in the first place), which are a hell of a lot more dramatic and powerful tools.

 

[ShadowRun]

Anyone on this forum ever praise 2025? It’s like saying dems want to bring full socialism to USA or gop wants to lock up the gays

 

[Deorum]

Anyone on this forum ever praise 2025? It’s like saying dems want to bring full socialism to USA or gop wants to lock up the gays

I'm kind of excited about the prospects of unleashing American agriculture, energy, industry, and the real economy as a whole in ways never seen before in US history, lol. DJT is going to attempt to do that anyway, Project 2025 or not. They are gonna run wild, brother. Of course, this doesn't and won't come without environmental consequences. It might be a last hurrah of sorts for industries like cattle ranching and hydrocarbon extraction, though. Industries that I admittedly have fondness toward and general favor limited regulations on.

 

[emefer]

I'm kind of excited about the prospects of unleashing American agriculture, energy, industry, and the real economy as a whole in ways never seen before in US history, lol. DJT is going to attempt to do that anyway, Project 2025 or not. They are gonna run wild, brother. Of course, this doesn't and won't come without environmental consequences. It might be a last hurrah of sorts for industries like cattle ranching and hydrocarbon extraction, though. Industries that I admittedly have fondness toward and general favor limited regulations on.

I think we’ve seen it before. It was the gilded age and that’s what the people behind the project want to return the country to, but with a monarch this time

 

[Deorum]

I think we’ve seen it before. It was the gilded age and that’s what the people behind the project want to return the country to, but with a monarch this time

The distribution (and inequality) of wealth in the United States has been a persistent issue since inception; it's a built-in feature of our socioeconomic system but the creation of wealth itself is obviously not an inherently bad thing. America as the world's premier agriculture, energy, and industrial powerhouse is an overtly great thing and no less essential to national security than the capabilities of its armed forces. The more self-sufficient and less dependent on the rest of the world for meeting its needs, the better. It should always be top of the list for national priorities and goals. You know, it's already happening regardless.

America Re-emerges as Industrial Powerhouse

Recent events have rendered it more likely that America’s industrial muscularity will continue to build.

www.marcumllp.com

 

[Islam Imamate]

I don't think it's equal on paper or in theory. To me, Congress is by far the most powerful branch of the federal government. If it is in unified majority lockstep, that is. The reality is that it's often in political gridlock in practice. And that same gridlock is what is most chiefly responsible for so much power being de facto transferred and yielded to the Supreme Court, which has essentially been legislating from the bench. It's also a powerful tool in relation to another DJT Admin, actually. It's crazy because Congress doesn't have power to merely "check" the SCOTUS, it can castrate and fuck it over in more ways than you can shake a stick at -- but not as it is now in this political climate.

In practice Trump is being set up to be an unaccountable executive. Congressional Republicans refuse to impeach him, the SCOTUS gave him criminal immunity, and in the primaries Trump never lost a commanding lead for a moment.

What's interesting is that in addition to refusing to check Trump at all, the GOP also worked hard to sow dysfunction in the checks and balances of government in mutually crippling ways so they're still coequal but coequally dysfunctional. The Chevron decision hamstrings federal bureaucracies' ability to execute the law but the immunity decision makes the executive immune from criminal review by the judiciary. And of course chronic gridlock in Congress is well known and Trump has openly wielded it like when Biden's immigration bill was killed by the GOP. It only requires representing a minority of the country due to rural overrepresentation in Congress. Then there's this Project 2025 which could undermine institutional memory if instead of career bureaucrats we get party loyalists who are switched out every 4-8 years.

I'm kind of excited about the prospects of unleashing American agriculture, energy, industry, and the real economy as a whole in ways never seen before in US history, lol. DJT is going to attempt to do that anyway, Project 2025 or not. They are gonna run wild, brother. Of course, this doesn't and won't come without environmental consequences. It might be a last hurrah of sorts for industries like cattle ranching and hydrocarbon extraction, though. Industries that I admittedly have fondness toward and general favor limited regulations on.

The American economy is already roaring and its doing so without the kind of reckless governance Trump brings and in fact oil production hit record highs in 2023 IIRC. From your link

But a confluence of forces has induced more CEOs to consider producing in America. This list is lengthy, and includes the massive supply chain challenges of the past, historically volatile energy prices that penalize lengthy journeys, a desire to better protect intellectual property, the opportunity to turn to workable courts when litigation becomes necessary, and a desire to avoid the intrusion of foreign governments. Suddenly, America is benefitting from a wave of reshoring and near-shoring. Federal government legislation such as the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) and Chips and Science Act (CHIPS Act) have further fanned the flames of industrial rebuilding in America.7 Among those who have noticed are the nation’s contractors.

Though to be fair

The CHIPS Act and IRA are supplying billions of dollars in incentives to those willing to invest in expanding domestic industrial capacity. Among the largest beneficiaries of the CHIPS Act will be semiconductor producers like Intel and Micro. That said, there are influences beyond federal tax credits. Even before the CHIPS Act and IRA, firms had begun to ramp up their investments in domestic computer/electronic manufacturing. From 2017 to 2020, investment in those types of facilities expanded 465 percent, from $2.1 billion to $9.2 billion.10

Still I think Biden deserves some credit here and he never gets any. I say put him on a wheelchair and on oxygen and just roll him around like FDR.

 

[PEB]

J.D. Vance’s radical plan to build a government of Trump loyalists​

“Fire every single midlevel bureaucrat, every civil servant in the administrative state, replace them with our people.”

“If I was giving him one piece of advice” for a second term, Vance said on a 2021 podcast:
“Fire every single midlevel bureaucrat, every civil servant in the administrative state, replace them with our people.”

As Trump was about to leave office in 2020, he finally got around to trying to do something about the supposed “deep state”: He issued an executive order known as Schedule F.

This order laid the groundwork for reclassifying as many as 50,000 career civil servant jobs as political appointees who could then be fired and replaced by Trump. He was out of office before it could be implemented, however, and Biden quickly revoked it.

Vance said that the courts would inevitably “stop” Trump from trying to fire so many employees. When they do, Vance went on, Trump should “stand before the country like Andrew Jackson did, and say, ‘The chief justice has made his ruling. Now let him enforce it.’”

That is: Vance urged that Trump radically remake the executive branch even if the Supreme Court said doing so was illegal.

J.D. Vance’s radical plan to build a government of Trump loyalists

“Fire every single midlevel bureaucrat, every civil servant in the administrative state, replace them with our people.”

www.vox.com

Yeah but Trump himself said he's a man of the people an 2025 was written by the radical right like they have a radical left. So he doesn't agree with almost anything in the 2025 but I bet that goes out the windows on November 5th lol.

How long before the radical right that Trump talks about going after JD Vance like Pence.

 

[emefer]

Yeah but Trump himself said he's a man of the people an 2025 was written by the radical right like they have a radical left. So he doesn't agree with almost anything in the 2025 but I bet that goes out the windows on November 5th lol.

How long before the radical right that Trump talks about going after JD Vance like Pence.

Well trump has his agenda 47, which is just a propagandized take, meant to not be so scary, but project 2025 lays out the details.

 

[Deorum]

In practice Trump is being set up to be an unaccountable executive. Congressional Republicans refuse to impeach him, the SCOTUS gave him criminal immunity, and in the primaries Trump never lost a commanding lead for a moment.

What's interesting is that in addition to refusing to check Trump at all, the GOP also worked hard to sow dysfunction in the checks and balances of government in mutually crippling ways so they're still coequal but coequally dysfunctional. The Chevron decision hamstrings federal bureaucracies' ability to execute the law but the immunity decision makes the executive immune from criminal review by the judiciary. And of course chronic gridlock in Congress is well known and Trump has openly wielded it like when Biden's immigration bill was killed by the GOP. It only requires representing a minority of the country due to rural overrepresentation in Congress. Then there's this Project 2025 which could undermine institutional memory if instead of career bureaucrats we get party loyalists who are switched out every 4-8 years.

The American economy is already roaring and its doing so without the kind of reckless governance Trump brings and in fact oil production hit record highs in 2023 IIRC. From your link

Though to be fair

Still I think Biden deserves some credit here and he never gets any. I say put him on a wheelchair and on oxygen and just roll him around like FDR.

I know, man. I know it. As a political non-participant, I have issued no criticisms of Biden as it pertains to my pet industries, and they are favored for many reasons on individual, state, and national levels. They even intersect with culture and heritage. I damn near registered to vote Republican in 2020 because of the rhetoric coming from the Ridin With Biden vehicle, but thankfully, it mostly turned out to be empty bluster and posturing for his base (heheh).

 

[Deorum]

@Islam Imamate One thing I just can't ever be mad at it is the rural overrepresentation in the Senate. It will never cease to be hilarious to me that states with the populations of NoDak (770k) and Wyoming (584k) elect and send the same number of Senators to DC that California (39.2 million) and New York (19.5 million) do. I'm biased as fuck though, I'm from there, and it tickles me to death. Fuck It.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I know, man. I know it. As a political non-participant, I have issued no criticisms of Biden as it pertains to my pet industries, and they are favored for many reasons on individual, state, and national levels. They even intersect with culture and heritage. I damn near registered to vote Republican in 2020 because of the rhetoric coming from the Ridin With Biden vehicle, but thankfully, it mostly turned out to be empty bluster and posturing for his base (heheh).

What DC Democrat elites don't get is that Biden does have more sway with some of these blue dog states in a way that most of their preferred candidates don't. But young, over-educated DC staffers don't like Biden and so he has few friends in DC.

@Islam Imamate One thing I just can't ever be mad at it is the rural overrepresentation in the Senate. It will never cease to be hilarious to me that states with the populations of NoDak (770k) and Wyoming (584k) elect and send the same number of Senators to DC that California (39.2 million) and New York (19.5 million) do. I'm biased as fuck though, I'm from there, and it tickles me to death. Fuck It.

That part is fine because its what was intended but what kills me is that rural over-representation exists even in the House because the number of representatives was capped. They're apportioned by proportion but rural districts represent fewer constituents or conversely urban constituents are consolidated into proportionally larger districts. So even in the HoR which is supposed to be in favor of populous states urban voters are underrepresented. I believe it should be uncapped as it originally was so that instead of ~700,000 constituents per representative its closer to ~33,000 per representative. It would mean Reps are closer to constituents and most would not have to go to DC unless they serve on an important committee or some other senior positions and instead remain in their district. Of course it also benefits Democrats but not unfairly IMO.

 

[PEB]

2025 is so bad Walton family an ExxonMobil stopped donations to Heritage foundation. But Coors still continues with donations anyways Coors is sh@t beer an Adolph is in the founders name.

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The Heritage Foundation is a conservative think tank that has helped shape policy for Republican politicians and past Republican administrations since 1973. The Heritage Foundation launched Project 2025 in 2022 to outline a plan for how a future conservative presidential administration could implement its agenda from the next inauguration day.
The Adolph Coors Foundation, which is the Coors family’s charity organization, is an active donor to the Heritage Foundation. Multiple members of the Coors family remain on the board of directors of Molson Coors, which owns the Coors beer brand.
The Walton Family Foundation, which is Walmart’s founding family’s charitable organization, and the ExxonMobil Foundation have not recently donated to the Heritage Foundation, according to the organizations’ grant lists. It appears that both organizations stopped donating to the Heritage Foundation prior to the announcement of Project 2025."

 

[KnightTemplar]

You can’t deny that it is their desire to do that.
They will work to implement their desires.

If hard work was all it took to implement one's desires, I''d by posting this while Sidney Sweeney gives me a blow job.

Want don't get.

 

[Deorum]

What DC Democrat elites don't get is that Biden does have more sway with some of these blue dog states in a way that most of their preferred candidates don't. But young, over-educated DC staffers don't like Biden and so he has few friends in DC.

That part is fine because its what was intended but what kills me is that rural over-representation exists even in the House because the number of representatives was capped. They're apportioned by proportion but rural districts represent fewer constituents or conversely urban constituents are consolidated into proportionally larger districts. So even in the HoR which is supposed to be in favor of populous states urban voters are underrepresented. I believe it should be uncapped as it originally was so that instead of ~700,000 constituents per representative its closer to ~33,000 per representative. It would mean Reps are closer to constituents and most would not have to go to DC unless they serve on an important committee or some other senior positions and instead remain in their district. Of course it also benefits Democrats but not unfairly IMO.

There's at least some semblance of counter-balance, at least with the aforementioned states like the Dakotas and Big Wyo considering the sparse populations translate to only three (3) electoral votes in POTUS elections and one (1) single at-large representative in the House of US Congress. They deserve those damn Senators (glad you agree). But nationwide and on the whole, you're also correct about the House: it's still slanted towards rural communities and, well, undeniably undemocratic. I think the 435 cap has been in place for over a century now, no?

I live and work in an expanding urban area. It's been a perpetual boomtown for construction and industry down here in AZ my entire adult life, and I have all but documented it as the burgeoning high-tech manufacturing capital of the USA. I maintain strong sympathies for rural states with commodity-based economies that hinge on primary sector activity and production. I have assets, investments, family, and cultural connections there. People in liberal strongholds tend to assume they vote red on account of conservative social values with a strong dash of religiousity and 2A rights while framing them as the worst people in society. But they also do so because it means fewer regulations on key industries, regulations which threaten the state's prosperity.

 

[Deorum]

This - OMG Trump will hire loyalists!!! - is a bizarre panic.
what do you think parties do when getting power? they hire their people, enable their policies, etc.

the idea that when the opposite side does is it EVIL is childish. some of you guys really are getting panic updates from the hive mind.

I noted in the RNC thread that while there's a fair degree of unilateral power to be wielded in the form of directives, focus, and organization, the policies are invariably temporary and quickly reversed by the next Admin. Moreover, executive departments and agencies were created and given their mandates through acts of Congress. They can't operate or even exist independent of funding that can only be passed by Congress. They are subject to oversight from Congress, and the most transformative Final Solution of proposals will be outright dependent on Congressional approval. A president's agenda at large essentially hinges on compliant Congressional legislation. There's a good reason why Congress (or "lawmakers") is mentioned and referenced all over the place in various sections of 2025.

Well trump has his agenda 47, which is just a propagandized take, meant to not be so scary, but project 2025 lays out the details.

Trump has been rather humorously publicly disavowing it in a more direct way recently.

 

[BFoe]

I'd say they're closer to co-equals in practice, in large part due to an often gridlocked Congress that you further expanded on. It's quite a feat to acquire even a simple majority in both chambers for any length of time. You often see people mentioning things like court packing or impeachment as options for Congress to check the SCOTUS but it also has the vested power of legislative overrides and jurisdiction stripping (outright preventing certain types of cases from being appealed to the court in the first place), which are a hell of a lot more dramatic and powerful tools.

They certainly have been wielded that way. It’s crazy that SCOTUS basically carved out the power of judicial review for itself, and then over time has turned it into a massive weapon. I think currently, the judiciary is probably the most powerful branch in practice based on how the Roberts Court has wielded that power.

Imho we’d do well to check that power and keep any Project 2025ers away from the executive branch, and try and get this country functioning more like it was intended.

 

[BFoe]

delete. Hit post way too early. Ok Bfoe, coffee first. Coffe, then post.

Edit: I just realized I didn’t spell coffee right the second time up above , holy shit. I meant covfefe obviously.