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[Sinister]

Can you name a few those big Soviet corporations, since you're totally not talking out of your ass and scrambling for excuses for saying something stupid?

Lukoil, X5, NLMK, Nornickel, Suek...that's just a few of them that exist right this second.

If you're specifically talking about under say, Lenin, his NEP allowed for private enterprise, an "enterprise" being their legal equivalent of a "company:"

"not only were "private property, private enterprise, and private profit largely restored in Lenin's Russia," but Lenin's regime turned to international capitalism for assistance, willing to provide "generous concessions to foreign capitalism."

"The popular myth that private trade was fully banned by the Communist Party is only partially true. Looking at the entire 69-year period of Soviet history, it turns out that even under the Bolshevik regime entrepreneurs had their “golden age”. And it happened shortly after the establishment of the communist system."

USSR had about 3.5 million private farms in 1941, so essentially the lion's share of their farming was private, private research labs existed and contributed to their technological advancement, and then there were the industrial artels.

The idea you have in your head about how Soviet Communism actually worked is likely largely propaganda nonsense.

 

[nostradumbass]

Lukoil, X5, NLMK, Nornickel, Suek...that's just a few of them that exist right this second.

If you're specifically talking about under say, Lenin, his NEP allowed for private enterprise, an "enterprise" being their legal equivalent of a "company:"

"not only were "private property, private enterprise, and private profit largely restored in Lenin's Russia," but Lenin's regime turned to international capitalism for assistance, willing to provide "generous concessions to foreign capitalism."

"The popular myth that private trade was fully banned by the Communist Party is only partially true. Looking at the entire 69-year period of Soviet history, it turns out that even under the Bolshevik regime entrepreneurs had their “golden age”. And it happened shortly after the establishment of the communist system."

USSR had about 3.5 million private farms in 1941, so essentially the lion's share of their farming was private, private research labs existed and contributed to their technological advancement, and then there were the industrial artels.

The idea you have in your head about how Soviet Communism actually worked is likely largely propaganda nonsense.

Well my wife is from the Soviet Union, you complete idiot, while you're some dork from San Francisco trying to google how it "really" was. The USSR doesn't exist "right this second", nor did any of those companies you listed when it did, certainly not privately. They're natural resource industries that were publicly owned during the communist period, that were sold off to gangsters and oligarchs after the regime collapsed who either stole or bought off "shares" that former employees had.

And no, there wasn't a "lion's share" of farming, they were confiscated and collectivized for decades, and I know this because my wife's grandfather was one of them who got raided and sent to the gulag when he was 7, and spent the following 25 years in Siberia while the country he was dragged from was starved to death because their collective farms were such a miserable failure. After the abysmal failure of "collectivized farms", they allowed personal "farms" on small plots of land, which we would call just having a fucking garden. A limit of 1 acre or smaller is your example "corporatism"? WTF?

 

[emefer]

Well my wife is from the Soviet Union, you complete idiot, while you're some dork from San Francisco trying to google how it "really" was. The USSR doesn't exist "right this second", nor did any of those companies you listed when it did, certainly not privately. They're natural resource industries that were publicly owned during the communist period, that were sold off to gangsters and oligarchs after the regime collapsed who either stole or bought off "shares" that former employees had.

And no, there wasn't a "lion's share" of farming, they were confiscated and collectivized for decades, and I know this because my wife's grandfather was one of them who got raided and sent to the gulag when he was 7, and spent the following 25 years in Siberia while the country he was dragged from was starved to death because their collective farms were such a miserable failure. After the abysmal failure of "collectivized farms", they allowed personal "farms" on small plots of land, which we would call just having a fucking garden. A limit of 1 acre or smaller is your example "corporatism"? WTF?

When was she delivered to you?
Do they come in a big crate?
I might, I mean my friend might have some more questions for you.

 

[nostradumbass]

When was she delivered to you?
Do they come in a big crate?
I might, I mean my friend might have some more questions for you.

You ruined your super cool zinger by pretending you have any "friends". They're not your friend if they charge you a subscription fee.

 

[Sinister]

Well my wife is from the Soviet Union, you complete idiot, while you're some dork from San Francisco trying to google how it "really" was. The USSR doesn't exist "right this second", nor did any of those companies you listed when it did, certainly not privately. They're natural resource industries that were publicly owned during the communist period, that were sold off to gangsters and oligarchs after the regime collapsed who either stole or bought off "shares" that former employees had.

And no, there wasn't a "lion's share" of farming, they were confiscated and collectivized for decades, and I know this because my wife's grandfather was one of them who got raided and sent to the gulag when he was 7, and spent the following 25 years in Siberia while the country he was dragged from was starved to death because their collective farms were such a miserable failure. After the abysmal failure of "collectivized farms", they allowed personal "farms" on small plots of land, which we would call just having a fucking garden. A limit of 1 acre or smaller is your example "corporatism"? WTF?

I'm not from San Francisco. Lol

Your wife being from a place is meaningless. I cited you a direct quote about Lenin's economic plan and you give me a wall of dribble that equates to "nuh uh" and an anecdotal story to contradict the LARGE number of private farms that existed in the USSR. Your argument might have some credence if you specified this happening under Khrushchev, because that was the most robust time of private enterprise crackdowns, and within Russia itself as the outer States were given much more autonomy of industry. But Keuschev's failure isnt an entire picture of how their "kind of" Communism worked, and neither was the story of your wife's Family. And no, household plots were not the ONLY farming allowed at a single acre. Hell the housing market in the USSR was still largely private, people could build homes with their money and sell them.

A Federation that depends in part on private industry, has majority of markets and almost all black markets controlled by private entities, and all but begs for international private investment is just a poor example of "the failure of Communism."

 

[emefer]

You ruined your super cool zinger by pretending you have any "friends". They're not your friend if they charge you a subscription fee.

Oh come on. That was part of the joke.

 

[fedoriswar37]

The head of of the Heritage Foundation, who organized Project 2025, is calling it a part of a “Second American Revolution” that will be “bloodless if the Left allows it.” How promising. That is not the rhetoric of standard, run of the mill politics.
To summarize Project 2025 as just “hey, they just want to make conservative appointments” is a total and gross misrepresentation—and that should be obvious, because if that’s all it was, they wouldn’t need a 1000 page manual or any type of unified Project to do it, would they?

Right now, only about 4000 federal positions are at-will, meaning they can easily be fired and changed from administration to administration—Trump plans to reinstate his previous executive order called Schedule F, which he signed in Oct 2020 but never got to implement due to losing the election. Schedule F vastly expands the number of fireable federal employees to something like 50,000+. The key here is not appointing “conservatives,” generically, but rather Trump loyalists.
—I shouldn’t have to remind people that history has plenty of examples of times a government was solely loyal to one man, and this typically does not go well, to say the least.

This plan includes such “highlights” as completely gutting the DOJ, install loyalists, remove its independence, and grant it expansive new powers. Also “re-examining” (cough) the tradition of providing work space for the White House Press Corps (i.e., eliminating press oversight), gutting all D, E, and I programs, gutting anything to do with LGBTQ people….

Nothing about this is normal. Nothing about this is run of the mill. For those who say “durr fascism could never happen here,” it certainly can, and this is how it starts.

Didnt read a solid 95% of that response . It's political rhetoric. Its defund the police, tear down the system for republicans.

Both party's have had various levels of power over the last several decades and you haven't come close to revolution . But yes, it THIS time that it will LOL .

Get a grip.

 

[nostradumbass]

I'm not from San Francisco. Lol

Your wife being from a place is meaningless. I cited you a direct quote about Lenin's economic plan and you give me a wall of dribble that equates to "nuh uh" and an anecdotal story to contradict the LARGE number of private farms that existed in the USSR. Your argument might have some credence if you specified this happening under Khrushchev, because that was the most robust time of private enterprise crackdowns, and within Russia itself as the outer States were given much more autonomy of industry. But Keuschev's failure isnt an entire picture of how their "kind of" Communism worked, and neither was the story of your wife's Family. And no, household plots were not the ONLY farming allowed at a single acre. Hell the housing market in the USSR was still largely private, people could build homes with their money and sell them.

A Federation that depends in part on private industry, has majority of markets and almost all black markets controlled by private entities, and all but begs for international private investment is just a poor example of "the failure of Communism."

You didn't take a pause just based on the number alone to get some sense of the "corporate" farms you're claiming existed? How many farms do you think are in the US right now with 350 million people and a pretty goddamn abundant food supply full of huge supermarkets and restaurants?

You claimed that "muh capitalism" was to blame for pollution, which is beyond stupid, then tried to pivot to "USSR was corporatist, maaaan", because that's the new lame ass "that wasn't real communism, bro" internet excuse for the miserable failure, and the only "corporations" you could name didn't even exist until USSR had already collapsed, and now you're claiming a fucking personal garden is your example of the huge "coropratism" economy?

Take a nap, man.

 

[fedoriswar37]

It's just the most recent panic to keep them scared. It's nazis, it's qanite, it's national Christians, it's the Koch brothers, it's Juicy smullet, the Russians are coming. It keeps switching and we get a year of every lefty making threads, then it switches to something else when the panic dries up.

Nobody is very specific about what they're scared is going to happen, but they have plenty of youtube CT videos telling them they need to be scarec of something.

Everybody needs a boogeyman I guess but this one seems kind of ridiculous.

"They're going to fire us and bring their own people in" doesn't seem very intimidating on the surface.

 

[Strychnine]

"Project 2025 aims to enhance the efficiency, responsiveness, and veteran-centric focus of the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) by addressing health care delivery, benefits administration, infrastructure, and workforce management1. However, it also proposes to cut costs by having fewer health conditions qualify veterans for disability benefits, which could restrict disabled veterans' access to life-sustaining benefits2."

project 2025 veterans affairs - Bing​

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If you're a veteran and you vote for this?


You're a like a chicken voting FOR Col. Sanders.

 

[Sinister]

You didn't take a pause just based on the number alone to get some sense of the "corporate" farms you're claiming existed? How many farms do you think are in the US right now with 350 million people and a pretty goddamn abundant food supply full of huge supermarkets and restaurants?

You claimed that "muh capitalism" was to blame for pollution, which is beyond stupid, then tried to pivot to "USSR was corporatist, maaaan", because that's the new lame ass "that wasn't real communism, bro" internet excuse for the miserable failure, and the only "corporations" you could name didn't even exist until USSR had already collapsed, and now you're claiming a fucking personal garden is your example of the huge "coropratism" economy?

Take a nap, man.

You go to great lengths to obfuscate the fact that Lenin and Stalin both courted corporate power in their foreign and domestic policies. Comparing the USSR rebuilding post-War to the US right this second is absurd.

Did I claim capitalism was to blame for pollution as a broad point? As in ALL pollution? But if you're going to be as stupid as to contend that industry in the US isn't salivating at the idea of disbanding the EPA, go right ahead. Dont let me stop you from looking even worse than you normally do.

You were given examples of entire markets that were relegated to private industry in the USSR. Lenin himself asked for capitalist investment into the Country. Sectors of textile prediction, metal production, chemical development, technology, food production, all had private enterprise. And none of your High School "nyah nyah" trash is gonna make that any less true.

 

[Sinister]

No, they're communists, which is just capitalism with 0.01% benefiting from it. That's the world you want to live in. Make those evil capitalists an even smaller group.

I'm not a communist. Not everyone who criticizes capitalism IS a communist. I know that's a difficult pill to swallow but it is what it is. And capitalism is capitalism with .01% benefitting from it, right now the US is posting wealth transfer numbers that prove it.

 

[emefer]

Everybody needs a boogeyman I guess but this one seems kind of ridiculous.

"They're going to fire us and bring their own people in" doesn't seem very intimidating on the surface.

They want to change the classification of civil servants to at will (of the president) employees. These are apolitical positions. Many of the 2 million plus people have been working there for 5,10,20,30 years. They want to replace some 20,000 of these people these people with people that will follow the project 2025 agenda.

 

[filthybliss]

It's just the most recent panic to keep them scared. It's nazis, it's qanite, it's national Christians, it's the Koch brothers, it's Juicy smullet, the Russians are coming. It keeps switching and we get a year of every lefty making threads, then it switches to something else when the panic dries up.

Nobody is scared about you or your inbred siblings. Just condemning them for doing vile shit. There is a difference.

The right is the one screeching about the gays, trannies, vaccines, or in your case lack of sex and being the end of their bloodline.....

 

[emefer]

Nobody is scared about you or your inbred siblings. Just condemning them for doing vile shit. There is a difference.

The right is one screeching about the gays, trannies, vaccines, or in your case lack of sex and being the end of their bloodline.....

Come on now. He had a wife delivered to him from Russia.

 

[nostradumbass]

Everybody needs a boogeyman I guess but this one seems kind of ridiculous.

"They're going to fire us and bring their own people in" doesn't seem very intimidating on the surface.

They've literally put out a new one of these "mandate for leadership" plans with policy and personnel recommendations for every election for the last 44 years, but for some reason the lefties are running around like school girls after seeing a spider at the suggestion that the head of the executive branch should actually control the executive branch instead of just being a notary for a mostly democrat permanent state.

The thing is like 900 pages long, so I guarantee nobody in here crying about it even read the damn thing, but they watched a 7 minute youtube video from some clown who also didn't read but knows it's scary, and Trump sure as hell didn't read it but is still asked to "disavow" something he hasn't even read based on media members paraphrasing.

 

[filthybliss]

Come on now. He had a wife delivered to him from Russia.

She probably took his money and left after the sight of him. That is probably why he is always crying about women out-performing him in the workplace.

 

[Sinister]

She probably took his money and left after the sight of him. That is probably why he is always crying about women out-performing him in the workplace.

 

[filthybliss]

They've literally put out a new one of these "mandate for leadership" plans with policy and personnel recommendations for every election for the last 44 years, but for some reason the lefties are running around like school girls after seeing a spider at the suggestion that the head of the executive branch should actually control the executive branch instead of just being a notary for a mostly democrat permanent state.

The thing is like 900 pages long, so I guarantee nobody in here crying about it even read the damn thing, but they watched a 7 minute youtube video from some clown who also didn't read but knows it's scary, and Trump sure as hell didn't read it but is still asked to "disavow" something he hasn't even read based on media members paraphrasing.

 

[filthybliss]

This is literally him. My god