Elections Project 2025 major right wing groups plan on creating a new super super pack

[Loiosh]

Respectfully to both of you, this is incorrect. Project 2025 is not about legislation

I didn't say it was; I could have been more careful in what I said.

 

[Rob Battisti]

There are 2 things that make this particularly dangerous. The first is that I would wager that you’d never make the “recommendations” these people are making. I highly doubt that your recommendations would be the type that literally subverts and bypasses the system of government our Founders laid out. But Project 2025 does. We are used to the old way: “Omg, they’re recommending a federal abortion ban (for example)! We can’t let that happen, get and and vote, yadda yadda…”
That is not what is happening here, and people need to wake up and understand this ASAP. This is entirely different than anything else I’ve ever seen in my years of following politics.

The second thing is that with Trump, they actually have a candidate that will enact this. Trump enacted more than 2/3 of their recommendations in his last term.

I just saw this post of yours:

You’ve got to understand that Project 2025 is put together by an absolutely massive coalition of over 100 conservative groups. The Heritage Foundation themselves had a record-breaking year of fundraising in 2023, taking in 150 million dollars. Project 2025 is not some tinfoil shit from a little lobbyist group: this is an absolutely massive effort backed by hundreds of millions of dollars.

That’s my point! I’m just trying to showcase that it’s the money behind it that makes it dangerous! Although some posters refuse to admit it.

 

[BFoe]

I didn't say it was; I could have been more careful in what I said.

No worrries. I was referring to what you said about the Heritage Foundation here:

Their role isn't to pass legislation, it's to recommend it.

In the past that has been true—but Project 2025 is not like that, it’s a different animal. That’s all I’m saying.

 

[brothir]

I struggle to follow this line of hyper partisan thinking. There's a lot more people than just your imaginary left and right where you put two ideas into a box, there's an entire spectrum of opinion.

My opinions are widely shared by people across the entire left and right wing spectrum worldwide, as demonstrated by most civilized countries worldwide who have abortion laws in place that are barely controversial.

Most civilized countries have legalized abortion, yes, and have further laws that protects it. That's what the decision on Roe/Wade did, and why Republicans wanted it gone. If you think you'll get agreement with the average liberal, anywhere, that the SC dismantling Roe/Wade was a good thing, you're in for a surprise.

 

[koquerelle]

So what makes it dangerous? If I posted a bunch of recommendations on a website, would they be equally as dangerous?

It would raise red flags if you had close ties to a presidential candidate.

 

[Rob Battisti]

It would raise red flags if you had close ties to a presidential candidate.

Like campaign donation type ties?

 

[Loiosh]

No worrries. I was referring to what you said about the Heritage Foundation here:

In the past that has been true—but Project 2025 is not like that, it’s a different animal. That’s all I’m saying.

And you are correct.

 

[koquerelle]

Like campaign donation type ties?

It could, but I'm thinking more about people who worked with him.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Most civilized countries have legalized abortion, yes, and have further laws that protects it. That's what the decision on Roe/Wade did, and why Republicans wanted it gone. If you think you'll get agreement with the average liberal, anywhere, that the SC dismantling Roe/Wade was a good thing, you're in for a surprise.

Define legalized abortion. Is it abortion with no limits?

 

[Barteh]

Most civilized countries have legalized abortion, yes, and have further laws that protects it. That's what the decision on Roe/Wade did, and why Republicans wanted it gone. If you think you'll get agreement with the average liberal, anywhere, that the SC dismantling Roe/Wade was a good thing, you're in for a surprise.

It's not quite what Roe v. Wade did, it was quite a flawed decision.

Anyway, the original point I was making is to stfu up about Roe v. Wade and talk solutions. Use this opportunity to improve the civil rights and not just use the issue to try and win votes.

 

[herpd807]

“I know nothing about it, but I disagree with some of it.”

“Some of the things are abysmal and ridiculous, but I wish them well.”

Yup it’s the left that look dumb here.

It's like Trump needing to disavow white supremacy nearly everytime he speaks because the left are hysterical with their own narratives.

 

[BFoe]

That’s my point! I’m just trying to showcase that it’s the money behind it that makes it dangerous! Although some posters refuse to admit it.

Maybe I misunderstood you? It seemed to me as though you were minimizing Project 2025 as just some policy recommendations from a little think tank, and that isn’t quite true. Not only do they have massive amounts of money—on the importance of that, it seems you and I agree—but this goes beyond recommendations. They’ve got training programs and shit going to groom people and train them to enact this crazy shit in one fell swoop.

This goes far beyond the usual recommendations, Project 2025 very literally reshapes the entire way the government functions.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Maybe I misunderstood you? It seemed to me as though you were minimizing Project 2025 as just some policy recommendations from a little think tank, and that isn’t quite true. Not only do they have massive amounts of money—on the importance of that, it seems you and I agree—but this goes beyond recommendations. They’ve got training programs and shit going to groom people and train them to enact this crazy shit in one fell swoop.

This goes far beyond the usual recommendations, Project 2025 very literally reshapes the entire way the government functions.

Sorry. No I was trying to showcase to those who say money has no impact on policy that money has impact on policy.

 

[Jar of Flies]

It's like Trump needing to disavow white supremacy nearly everytime he speaks because the left are hysterical with their own narratives.

No, it’s like Trump contradicting himself talking about project 2025.

 

[Barteh]

See, I don't know if you're just playing the game or if you're just a slave to propaganda.

Let's see if we can use a different angle to bring you to the truth.

Was the VRA gutted or was it not?

Did the GOP not immediately launch an avalanche of voting laws that were ultimately struck down in court for the very reasons the VRA was meant to prevent before?

Are those laws still being implemented and struck down?

Did the GOP not litigate elections to prevent the counting of any mail in or early voting until AFTER same day voting had been counted, thus resulting in these unnecessary delays you're complaining about?

Are voters not registered, preventing one identity from being used to cast ten votes?

These are yes or no questions and you answering them simply will show what you know or don't know about this issue.

I'm not making a partisan argument, I deliberately included gerrymandering as one of my points because it's a well known example of shenanigans that the GOP also often partakes in.

You really didn't disprove or disagree with any of my points, you're just rightfully blaming the GOP for SOME of them, while completely ignoring some of my other points.

The ten votes example is about ballot harvesting which is legal in many states and makes it a lot easier to fraud. Yes, it's illegal to actually fill in the ballots for other people, but how are you going to prove that in a court of law if somebody does that and just drops off the ballots in some of the drop off points? Your "hurr durr no cases have been proven in court" angle just completely skips all of those points. You can't prove if somebody illegally harvested ballots or voted in name of their neighbor's dead grandpa if there's no legal protections in place to check on it.

Why would you ever be against a requiring a FREE government issued voter ID in order for people to go and vote?

Same goes for all of the counting irregularities and voting machine shenanigans going on, why would you be against improving in all of those areas? It makes no sense.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Sorry. No I was trying to showcase to those who say money has no impact on policy that money has impact on policy.

You're wasting a lot of typing and confusing people by not just having the balls to directly make your point. The theory that Republicans take rightist actions because donors are bribing them to rather than because they actually are rightists is stupid. I would hope everyone could agree on that.

 

[herpd807]

No, it’s like Trump contradicting himself talking about project 2025.

No he really didn't. He disavowed it. It's a done deal. I'm satisfied. Anything to the contrary is your own hysterical narrative.

Just like Trump being racist
Trump being sexist
Trump being a fascist

And any other ist label the left so desperately wish to espouse onto him.

Trump will get his last term and the United States will be just fine.

 

[fedoriswar37]

Problem is the other dem candidates are just as bad as the other republican candidates. I mean I think Michelle Obama would have a better chance at winning than the other main candidates and that's sad considering she has no job experience and we'd be giving her the #1 job in the country.

Both sides claim to be about democracy but they're both bullshitting us. They cheat, lie and steal to ensure that we don't get to vote for people who actually care about the country.

Both will forever bend the knee to israel and take donations from every major donor.

 

[no fat chicks]

Are people up in arms about this?

They should be.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Can someone show what these people are arguing for? I can only see the 992 page PDF on their website