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Since 2020, there has been a tremendous push from the left to eliminate cash bail because in their view, it harms the poor and minorities
. While I am not completely against using personal recognizance bonds, or pr bonds, for very minor crimes or those suspects that pose no risk to the community, but I also think that the risk they pose to commit other crimes should also be a consideration. Part of the reason I feel this way is that a pre-trial suspect has not yet been convicted of a crime and should not be held any longer than is necessary so long as they are not a flight risk, risk to the community due to a violent offense, or going to constantly commit crimes while they are out, violating the conditions of their bond and yet, in these instances, they are not punished at all for violating these conditions (that always include not committing additional crimes), and then they are released yet again on no bond.
There are various hellholes in this country that have pushed for so much bail reform that the people they release on low or no bond, end up committing murder and other horrific crimes. Just to name a few, Philly, nyc, Houston, la, Portland, Denver, Seattle, and a multitude of other cities.
Here are some examples, followed by links in some cases, to these stories.
In Denver, a man was arrested for making threats to kill people
And then threatened to shoot officers. He also had a gun on him at the time of his arrest. He was also a felon. He was released the next day on a pr bond and then broke into a 77 year old man’s house and murdered him.https://kdvr.com/news/local/denver-...ns-about-criminals-leaving-jail-without-bond/
Houston man arrested and released on pr bond, which he violated 37 times with no repercussions until he murders another man. He then posted another bond and showed up to court 45 minutes late. He and his mother laughed and smiled at the victim’s mother and he was posting raps about killing the victim. His bond was eventually revoked. https://www.fox26houston.com/news/r...conditions-more-than-3-dozen-times-speaks-out
Here’s a quote from another article highlighting the issue: “
These suspects just tell our cops, just laugh in their faces, I'll just be out in a couple of hours," said Acevedo. "You know what the jokes on us and ultimately the people we serve."
"It makes no sense but there's this big push to get people out of jail," said Harris County Precinct 3 Commissioner Steve Radack.
Radack and Acevedo support PR misdemeanor bonds.
But they say some Harris County Criminal Court Judges and Magistrates are releasing violent convicted felons on multiple PR or felony bonds over and over again.
Some of those defendants go on to commit new crimes while out on the bonds.
"It's outrageous and Houstonians need to speak out against this because people are getting hurt and killed as a result," the chief said.
"Things are not improving," said Radack. "They're getting worse day by day."
In less than two years, 61 people have been killed by defendants out of jail on multiple felony bonds or PR bonds.”
Houston, again. Quinnton Allen gets out of prison after serving 10 years for committing an armed robbery and shortly after he is released, he is caught with a firearm as a felon and released on a pr bond. While free on bond, he kills someone. https://www.fox26houston.com/news/2...-to-armed-robber-recently-paroled-from-prison
Here’s one from my favorite da, larry krasner of Philly. Sexual predator served two prison terms for rape and was paroled. While on parole, he committed a burglary and defense attorney asked for no bond, which krasner agreed to. Then, his parole officer issued a warrant to arrest him for violating parole again, and larry krasner dismissed both the warrant and the burglary charge to keep him on the streets. Well, he used a uhaul truck to burglarize home after he dismembered the homeowner and kept the torso and disposed of the rest in a dumpster. https://national-conservative.com/s...ed-on-a-pr-bond-and-allegedly-dismembers-man/
Another one from krasner, they released a car jacking suspect on a pr bond and he went on to rob and then execute a temple student. The execution came after the victim complied and handed over his belongings.
In NYC, a man was arrested on attempted murder after trying to shoot someone. He was released on a pr bond and he went on to murder three people.
Link not working for some reason
Also, in Houston, 27 murderers are being investigated because all 27 were out on 2 or more bonds at the time of their committing murder.
Houston, yet again, man arrested for kidnapping a torturing his gf was released on $2 bond. Upon being released he makes contact and threatens her if she proceeds with the case.
A current study of Houston cases dating back to 2015, found that over 221 murder were committed by subjects out on bond.
I could go on and on and on and on. When will this shit ever end? How many innocent victims are acceptable? And putting aside the multitude of murders, what about non fatal shootings and other crimes? Some shitbag thief that runs in and out with loads of merchandise is freed on a pr bond and they continue to steal. Or some drug addict breaks into countless cars to feed their habit. The criminal history needs to be a big factor in determining bond amounts. If they are habitual offenders or have a long and violent criminal history, maybe it’s not safe to release them into society as some people simply can’t function in a society with laws.
And these same people pushing for bail reform are often the same people that push for bullshit like reformative justice, in which a criminal is simply made to apologize to the victim and listen to their speech about how their crime affected their life in a negative way. They’re also often the same people that want to defund or abolish the police. And somehow, we have allowed them to take a strong foothold in our criminal justice system. This goes from not responding to or prosecuting crimes to no bond and eventually weak ass sentences.
. While I am not completely against using personal recognizance bonds, or pr bonds, for very minor crimes or those suspects that pose no risk to the community, but I also think that the risk they pose to commit other crimes should also be a consideration. Part of the reason I feel this way is that a pre-trial suspect has not yet been convicted of a crime and should not be held any longer than is necessary so long as they are not a flight risk, risk to the community due to a violent offense, or going to constantly commit crimes while they are out, violating the conditions of their bond and yet, in these instances, they are not punished at all for violating these conditions (that always include not committing additional crimes), and then they are released yet again on no bond.
There are various hellholes in this country that have pushed for so much bail reform that the people they release on low or no bond, end up committing murder and other horrific crimes. Just to name a few, Philly, nyc, Houston, la, Portland, Denver, Seattle, and a multitude of other cities.
Here are some examples, followed by links in some cases, to these stories.
In Denver, a man was arrested for making threats to kill people
And then threatened to shoot officers. He also had a gun on him at the time of his arrest. He was also a felon. He was released the next day on a pr bond and then broke into a 77 year old man’s house and murdered him.https://kdvr.com/news/local/denver-...ns-about-criminals-leaving-jail-without-bond/
Houston man arrested and released on pr bond, which he violated 37 times with no repercussions until he murders another man. He then posted another bond and showed up to court 45 minutes late. He and his mother laughed and smiled at the victim’s mother and he was posting raps about killing the victim. His bond was eventually revoked. https://www.fox26houston.com/news/r...conditions-more-than-3-dozen-times-speaks-out
Here’s a quote from another article highlighting the issue: “
These suspects just tell our cops, just laugh in their faces, I'll just be out in a couple of hours," said Acevedo. "You know what the jokes on us and ultimately the people we serve."
"It makes no sense but there's this big push to get people out of jail," said Harris County Precinct 3 Commissioner Steve Radack.
Radack and Acevedo support PR misdemeanor bonds.
But they say some Harris County Criminal Court Judges and Magistrates are releasing violent convicted felons on multiple PR or felony bonds over and over again.
Some of those defendants go on to commit new crimes while out on the bonds.
"It's outrageous and Houstonians need to speak out against this because people are getting hurt and killed as a result," the chief said.
"Things are not improving," said Radack. "They're getting worse day by day."
In less than two years, 61 people have been killed by defendants out of jail on multiple felony bonds or PR bonds.”
Houston, again. Quinnton Allen gets out of prison after serving 10 years for committing an armed robbery and shortly after he is released, he is caught with a firearm as a felon and released on a pr bond. While free on bond, he kills someone. https://www.fox26houston.com/news/2...-to-armed-robber-recently-paroled-from-prison
Here’s one from my favorite da, larry krasner of Philly. Sexual predator served two prison terms for rape and was paroled. While on parole, he committed a burglary and defense attorney asked for no bond, which krasner agreed to. Then, his parole officer issued a warrant to arrest him for violating parole again, and larry krasner dismissed both the warrant and the burglary charge to keep him on the streets. Well, he used a uhaul truck to burglarize home after he dismembered the homeowner and kept the torso and disposed of the rest in a dumpster. https://national-conservative.com/s...ed-on-a-pr-bond-and-allegedly-dismembers-man/
Another one from krasner, they released a car jacking suspect on a pr bond and he went on to rob and then execute a temple student. The execution came after the victim complied and handed over his belongings.
In NYC, a man was arrested on attempted murder after trying to shoot someone. He was released on a pr bond and he went on to murder three people.
Link not working for some reason
Also, in Houston, 27 murderers are being investigated because all 27 were out on 2 or more bonds at the time of their committing murder.
Houston, yet again, man arrested for kidnapping a torturing his gf was released on $2 bond. Upon being released he makes contact and threatens her if she proceeds with the case.
A current study of Houston cases dating back to 2015, found that over 221 murder were committed by subjects out on bond.
I could go on and on and on and on. When will this shit ever end? How many innocent victims are acceptable? And putting aside the multitude of murders, what about non fatal shootings and other crimes? Some shitbag thief that runs in and out with loads of merchandise is freed on a pr bond and they continue to steal. Or some drug addict breaks into countless cars to feed their habit. The criminal history needs to be a big factor in determining bond amounts. If they are habitual offenders or have a long and violent criminal history, maybe it’s not safe to release them into society as some people simply can’t function in a society with laws.
And these same people pushing for bail reform are often the same people that push for bullshit like reformative justice, in which a criminal is simply made to apologize to the victim and listen to their speech about how their crime affected their life in a negative way. They’re also often the same people that want to defund or abolish the police. And somehow, we have allowed them to take a strong foothold in our criminal justice system. This goes from not responding to or prosecuting crimes to no bond and eventually weak ass sentences.
