Law Progressive district attorneys Thread/krasner/gascon/james/bragg

Really sounds like the worst PD I have ever heard of. Doing a terrible investigation is one thing, but going around telling people all of the things they didn't do is next level incompetence. On top of it all they did it specifically because they thought the DA was soft. Again this all sounds highly unlikely to have actually happened, but if so those guys are terrible.

They're short on staff. They didn't tell people what they did or didn't do. They wouldn't answer the father's requests. To this day they still have his car as "evidence" in case they need it. The PI's shared their report and not one neighbor they contacted was contacted by the police. They finally did respond to the request about local camera footage and claimed too much time had passed. It was a WTF moment. I don't go into LA County unless I am driving through or going to LAX.

The worst part. The mother died about a year later. She had been fighting cancer. I went to both of their funerals. It gutted me. Really nice people.
 
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They're short on staff.
This actually sounds like a plausible reason for a shitty investigation compared to saying that they didn't try because of a soft DA

They didn't tell people what they did or didn't do. They wouldn't answer the father's requests.
They didn't release the details of their investigation, even to the family. However, you know they don't have suspects or persons of interest and you know they never reviewed cameras.

To this day they still have his car as "evidence" in case they need it.
Makes it sounds like their investigation is ongoing, but you want them to get rid of what might be considered the crime scene?

The PI's shared their report and not one neighbor they contacted was contacted by the police.
Again you don't know what was taken from the PIs and you don't actually know who was interviewed.

Again, this does sound like a very shitty situation, but nothing you have posted has anything to do with the actual topic of the thread.
 
If you're not in favor of bail reform, reduced sentences, and early release of violent felons you're in favor of the systemic racism of the judicial system and...

... therfore you're racist.
 
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Clearly OP is right. Also the harm done by progressives disproportionately hurts communities of color. Look at DC White councilman Phil Mendelson - he recently said (in contrast to all the stats on violent crime) that crime in DC is no big deal, it's not a problem, and the issue is only in people's heads. Councilman Trayon White, who is Black, called bs, and wants to declare an emergency and bring in the National Guard to stop people from being victimized. The problem is that progressives worship their stupid nonsensical agenda, and don't care how many people are hurt and killed because of it.
 
Rip in peace but that has absolutely nothing to do with op

How did you reach that definitive conclusion? As far as I know from the article, there are no suspects mentioned. Besides what we can deduce about the subject based on what is, and isn’t said, that doesn’t narrow it down a whole lot for us or the police. But when-if they find the suspects, I am betting at least one of them was out on bond or parole-unless they were juveniles.
 
They shot Justin because someone in their Fire Spinning group told the driver to slow down in the parking lot. They were racing through the parking lot at 50+ MPH. They came back with more guys in the car and two of them got out just shooting away. Justin tried to help the women escape and he then jumped in his car, but the guy ran up on him and shot him in the face.... dead. He was a really nice guy and way too small physically to start any shit.

Like I said, these violent shitbags will shoot you over anything now. They have what I have always called “shitbag privilege” where they can do whatever they want to anyone and how dare anyone wrong them. It’s like if you see some guy staring you down and you look up and they jump in with “what the fuck are you staring at!?” And then you answer is “you were at sting at me.” And then they come back with “bitch, I will stare at anyone I want to” and the thing they need the most is a fucking ass whooping, but being that fucking cocky, the person they’re fucking with is either very weak or the thug is armed.

That’s what happened here. These guys were driving like assholes and when called on it, the pussy runs and grabs friends and guns and shoots unarmed people because they dared to say something.

I had a similar thing happen. When I was in high school, I was hanging out at the McDonald’s on a Friday night which is where high school kids congregated. A bunch of thugs spin their tires and peeled out and their tires ran over the tips of my shoes-not my toes though, luckily. And I dared to say “watch it.” And they backed up and flashed a gun. Luckily for me, a cop was working an extra job and came over and they took off. What’s really funny is that I worked with that cop when I was on the department and he is now my boss at the hospital and he hired me.
 
Bullshit as usual. Look at the felons caught with a gun and nothing was done.

As I have said a million times because his name can’t be dragged through the mud enough, but phillys larry krasner, da, refuses to prosecute felons with firearms because it is mostly black or brown suspects
 
No suspects. No neighbors questioned. No cameras checked. My next door neighbor hired a private investigator. They did get the make / model of the car from a ring type camera on a nearby house (confirmed by people in Justin's group) and a description of two of the attackers. Grey Honda Accord, but that's so general without plates. The attackers were as you would guess it for Long Beach, CA... but again not enough specifics.

anad that is very little to go on as you said. But, I doubt that so little was done by detectives. When I was pd, anytime we had a shooting, you checked all cameras in the area. This was also before ring cams were a thing, but you went to businesses and asked them if they had cameras and asked for footage. The last shooting that occurred while I was pd, the officers went door to door to check for ring cams. Now, I work as a security supervisor at a large hospital. We have properties all around the city with hundreds of cameras. Anytime something happens near the properties, I am on that camera system looking for video to help the police and they often call me specifically to ask for my services. It just so happens that the last time this happened, I kind of damned a deputy but also helped him as well, but he fucked up. We had a woman claim she was run over by a deputy, whom she then claimed left the scene, so she called my old pd to investigate. She came into the er, was treated and released. Then she came back with a social worker demanding cat scans and this and that, as well as morphine for her pain. They did this because they saw dollar signs. So the woman is told she doesn’t need cat scans for a knee injury and isn’t getting morphine. She flips the fuck out and starts throwing shit in the er so I kicked her out. She starts screaming at me so I give her a little space to cool off. It doesn’t work. She is screaming fuck this and fuck that, so I tell her to cool it and she threatens to smash my face in multiple times. I called police and calmly told her that if she tried to smash my face in, she would regret it horribly. I was standing off to the side and she ordered me to leave the area. Sorry, my hospital, you don’t make the rules. And no way was i leaving a violent person unattended at a hospital where she could attack patients or staff. She has eyes pointing in two different directions and yells at me to stop staring at her. I may or may not have told her that her wandering eye was the one staring. But she makes a huge scene in front of hundreds of people including admin and hr. They of course, commented to my boss about it, so he came and spoke to me. I played back the video showing why I stayed with her despite her screaming. Then, a higher up admin called my director and told him I was cool as a cucumber and handled it as well as it could be handled, so I was cleared.
Anyway, back on point. After her behavior, I pulled up our property cams because she claimed this happened in our clinic parking lot. It did not. It happened on the street, but we got the whole thing on camera. Sure as shit, the deputy turned left and hit her, sending her over the hood while she was in the crosswalk. However, he absolutely did not leave the scene and talked with her for 8 minutes before she simply walked away from him.
 
Clearly OP is right. Also the harm done by progressives disproportionately hurts communities of color. Look at DC White councilman Phil Mendelson - he recently said (in contrast to all the stats on violent crime) that crime in DC is no big deal, it's not a problem, and the issue is only in people's heads. Councilman Trayon White, who is Black, called bs, and wants to declare an emergency and bring in the National Guard to stop people from being victimized. The problem is that progressives worship their stupid nonsensical agenda, and don't care how many people are hurt and killed because of it.

No offense, but you really didn’t have to say “trayon, who is black” that’s quite obvious from the name. But anyway, what’s really funny is that the reason progressives are so passionate about all these policies is because of guilt and misplaced sympathy. They feel guilty because the criminals grow up in shitty conditions, so they make excuses for them winding up in the system and cut them break after break after break. And they fail to realize that almost all of their victims are either other black people or some white or Asian lady walking down the street, minding their own business when they are viciously attacked without provocation
 
What people don’t understand is that of course crime is going to go up when you actually start reporting and prosecuting crimes rather than ignore them like chesa did. Another thing that can raise violent crime is when you begin to crack down on drug and other crimes, it creates a squeeze on the resources and people turn on each other. How did chesa’s policies help absolutely one victim? Did his apologies the criminals were forced to give the victims make them whole again? Lol. Did police not responding to theft calls under $1000 make people safer? No, it was so bad that those crimes weren’t even counted towards the stat totals, maybe by design, so it wouldn’t be revealed how bad things were. And George gascon and larry krasner are even worse. Much worse.

And do you have anything to contribute to the point of the thread being bail reform and how many dangerous criminals released on pr bonds go on ti kill innocent victims?

As I have said a million times because his name can’t be dragged through the mud enough, but phillys larry krasner, da, refuses to prosecute felons with firearms because it is mostly black or brown suspects

That's the problem with the progressive DA's in Bay Area/CA. People often claim that case clearance rates are the same or similar but what is missed in all that, people like Chesa Boudin and now Alameda County/Oakland DA Pamela Price is that they failed to add enhancements (gang, gun, hate) which allowed for some very short sentences during plea bargaining processes. Boudin specifically also hid evidence in cases (acting as a defense attorney rather than DA). It became so bad that SFPD severed ties with the DA's office on information sharing. I am guessing it ultimately got resolved.

They also routinely OR'd dangerous or serial criminals. SF had cases just like this where someone who got OR'd ended up committing additional serious crimes.

Boudin also repeatedly chose very light sentences or diversion on serious crimes because he pretended that 18-25 year olds don't know that they shouldn't attack old (Asian) people. I actually had to deal with one of these dirtbags recently. I looked him up and sure enough there was a video of him shoving in an unprovoked manner an elderly person sitting on his walker in SF. He was placed in a diversion program. So of course he's now smoking meth and doing methhead things.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/SFPD-s-standoff-with-D-A-Chesa-Boudin-What-to-16833339.php

https://nypost.com/2022/02/02/san-francisco-police-chief-cuts-agreement-with-das-office/
 
That's the problem with the progressive DA's in Bay Area/CA. People often claim that case clearance rates are the same or similar but what is missed in all that, people like Chesa Boudin and now Alameda County/Oakland DA Pamela Price is that they failed to add enhancements (gang, gun, hate) which allowed for some very short sentences during plea bargaining processes. Boudin specifically also hid evidence in cases (acting as a defense attorney rather than DA). It became so bad that SFPD severed ties with the DA's office on information sharing. I am guessing it ultimately got resolved.

They also routinely OR'd dangerous or serial criminals. SF had cases just like this where someone who got OR'd ended up committing additional serious crimes.

Boudin also repeatedly chose very light sentences or diversion on serious crimes because he pretended that 18-25 year olds don't know that they shouldn't attack old (Asian) people. I actually had to deal with one of these dirtbags recently. I looked him up and sure enough there was a video of him shoving in an unprovoked manner an elderly person sitting on his walker in SF. He was placed in a diversion program. So of course he's now smoking meth and doing methhead things.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/SFPD-s-standoff-with-D-A-Chesa-Boudin-What-to-16833339.php

https://nypost.com/2022/02/02/san-francisco-police-chief-cuts-agreement-with-das-office/

I couldn’t access the first article because of a paywall. The second one, I am mixed on. If an officer fucks up, and the da charges them, the police shouldn’t act all butthurt and take their ball and go home. Again, when it is clear the officers fucked up, that is. The da withheld information in this particular case and went after this officer for using justified force on a violent suspect. He assaulted and battered his gf and then resisted arrest. According to most use of force models, police employ the 1+1 theory in use of force. The officers go one level higher than the suspect. Officer tries to make arrest, the suspect resists, the officer then takes it to the next level of force, which when faced with resisting arrest for a violent crime, is usually “intermediate level” which includes baton, oc spray, or taser. This officer used a baton on the suspects lower legs, which is the correct target area for a baton strike. They show this poor guy in a wheelchair with a busted leg. Boo hoo. Why don’t they show a picture of his victim? I mean, besides privacy reasons. Even if that were not an issue, they wouldn’t show it. And of course, there is the racial angle, suspect being a black man in the age of Floyd. chesa was looking to get on the map by charging the officer and saying “hey look! I am doing my part to protect black criminals from police.” chesa was/is a piece of shit and an absolute shit da.

And the refusal of progressive da’s to utilize enhancements is fucking absurd. gascon is the worst for this, and that is saying a shit ton. He refuses to use gun enhancements or gang ties or charge juveniles as adults because he is soft on crime and it affects his favorite poster children, minorities. I don’t mean to harp on the minority angle, but it fucking makes me sick they (da’s) refuse to prosecute to the fullest, violent criminals and repeat offenders because of their race.
 
I started watching “Philly da” about my favorite progressive da, larry krasner. It’s fucking pbs, but it’s not free! Kind of pisses me off. But I am still going to watch it.

Overall, I find it very fascinating to see things from his perspective. He admits he received millions from soros for his campaign, doesn’t like cops or convictions. He is putting as many people on diversion programs as possible. He says, unfortunately, sometimes justice looks like a conviction with time in prison, sometimes it looks like diversion, and sometimes it looks like dropping a case. I don’t disagree with that totally, but the numbers in which he is doing this is insane and it is not having a good effect. Oh, and he mentions eliminating cash bond and bail reform about 100 times.

The first episode focuses on his campaign and early days in office. He starts by purging the office of tons of prosecutors. It happened on a very nasty snow day where the city was shut down, yet he made all these prosecutors come into work to fire them. He talks about changing the culture of the da office through changing culture and “artifacts” defined as sentencing, cases, and the attitude of what to prosecute and when, and what other options to use. He and his staff, of course, talk a lot about racial disparities in the rate of convictions in the most incarcerated city in the US. However, no where do they discuss the fact that black and brown(his favorite term, much like mine is “absolutely”) people are committing the overwhelming bulk of violent crimes. He talks about waging war on filing charges against cops, the dirty ones, I encourage, but he actually says to a group of cops “have you tried not shooting an unarmed person in the back?”

And the most important factor is that his policies are not only failing miserably, but it’s costing lives.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/24/us/larry-krasner-philadelphia-committee-report.html
In case there is a paywall, here are some highlights.

Gun violence has unquestionably soared in Philadelphia, with more murders last year than any year on record, and nearly 2,000 gunshot victims this year to date — more than 400 of whom were killed.

The legislative committee’s report highlights data showing that in Philadelphia, the number of convictions in illegal gun possession cases has fallen substantially in recent years, with a higher proportion of such cases being withdrawn or dismissed in Philadelphia than elsewhere in the state.”

https://pennpoliticalreview.org/2021/09/is-krasners-soft-on-crime-approach-working/

This article talks about phillys soaring crime rates and falling conviction rates even though arrests are up(more on that in a minute). As I have said before, krasner blames the nra and republicans for the crime rates in his city because of their support for firearms. But this fucking idiot refuses to prosecute felons with firearms cases. He has record numbers of dismissed cases for those crimes and he wonders why murder and shooting rates are breaking records? On the arrest issue, I have heard from sources(a Philly cop and others) that the cops are making arrests (justified) to piss krasner off knowing he will dismiss them. Again, things like felons with firearms cases.
Here are some quotes from this article:

“Instead of accepting the truth and deciding to prosecute gun crime, D.A. Krasner is wildly throwing out accusations. He has blamed Pennsylvania’s Republican elected officials (and the NRA for backing them), proclaiming that he’s “surprised they don’t spend all day trying to make every gun legal.”

https://www.bigtrial.net/2021/11/under-larry-krasner-philly-has-almost.html?m=1
This is a good one. Slams krasner on his failed policies, the city breaking its murder record, and the most dismissed gun cases in phillys history. Remember krasners soft spot for black and brown people? His soft on crime policies hits them the hardest. Of phillys 500 murders, 83% of victims were black while 7% were white and 10% other-Hispanic. It also discusses several instances in which his department failed to prosecute or sat on warrants during which time, the suspects killed someone. It also talks about phillys unique way of hiding murders by classifying some deaths as suspicious or “S” including the murder of pregnant women’s babies. There nothing mysterious or suspicious about that, especially in one case where the suspect shot the pregnant woman coming from her baby shower in the stomach. Here ya go:

Here's just a few examples that I've listed in detail, along with other atrocities committed by the D.A., on a separate webpage on ralphcipriano.com that's dubbed "Toxic Justice:"
-- Hassan Elliott, an armed and dangerous gang member and convicted drug dealer, who walked out of prison a free man after the D.A. gave him a sweetheart sentence on a gun pinch, and then the D.A. looked the other way on three alleged parole violations for Elliott. Elliott proceeded to shoot and kill Corporal James O'Connor, who was trying to serve him with an arrest warrant for murder.
-- Razique Bumpas, whom, after the D.A.'s office failed to approve two arrest warrants for, shot and killed Ishan Charmidah Rahman, a 39 year-old pregnant woman; her unborn baby also died.
-- Josephus Davis, a two-time convicted robber who was arrested again for an alleged carjacking and an aggravated assault, has his bail lowered in the two new cases from a total of $300,000 all the way down to $32,000, so his family had to plunk down only $3,200 to spring him out of jail. Davis proceeded to shoot and kill Millan Loncar, a recent Temple grad who was out walking his dog.
-- Taray Herring, a convicted sex offender with a dozen arrests on his rap sheet whom Krasner let out of jail because the D.A. was afraid he'd catch Covid, allegedly killed, hacked up and dismembered the body of Peter Gerold, 70, a licensed masseuse.
-- Tyree Miles, whom the D.A. dismissed a total of a dozen charges against on three different occasions, after he was accused of first attacking his girlfriend, then the cops, and finally his mother, brother and other relatives. Miles was finally charged with involuntary manslaughter, after his 10 year-old niece shot herself to death with her uncle's gun, a weapon that Miles had illegally and carelessly stored at her house.
-- Michael Banks, whom the D.A.'s office plea-bargained a felony gun charge against down to a misdemeanor, got involved in a neighborhood shoot out, and shot and killed Zamar Jones, a 7-year-old boy who was sitting out on his front porch, playing with his toy race car and scooter.
-- Adriano Coriano, whom the D.A.'s office had an arrest warrant for, for allegedly violating a protection order by repeatedly stalking, harassing and assaulting his ex-wife. While the D.A.'s office sat on that arrest warrant for six straight days, Coriano shot and killed his ex-wife, Gladys Coriano.
All of these murder victims died as a result of Larry Krasner's "progressive" policies. And this is just a few of Krasner's greatest hits. There are so many more.

Here’s a whole website dedicated to krasner and his fucking horrible job as da

http://www.ralphcipriano.com/stories/big-trial/toxic-justice/
On this page are dozens of stories about krasner, my favorite, after an officer was shot and killed, krasner went to the hospital to speak with the family and a wall of police officers refused to let him in.

In another one, krasner gives a speech blaming the nra and greedy gun manufacturers for the death of a ten year old girl who shot herself with her uncles gun. The interesting part is that the uncle was a convicted felon who was arrested 3 times in less than two years leading up to the incident. He attacked and robbed his gf and then attacked police. All charges dropped. Then he led police on a vehicle pursuit and pointed a stolen gun at officers before he was arrested. Pled guilty and got FIVE MONTHS PROBATION. Then he was arrested again for attacking his mother and brother. Charges dropped. In all, 12 charges were dropped against this man who was twice caught with stolen firearms as a FELON. Oh, and krasner dropped the manslaughter charges against him for the death of the ten year old.

But krasner’s shitty protection of children doesn’t end there. He offered a deal of 3.5 years to a man that smothered his three month old son to death while he laughed. They also let him out on 500k bail for free and put him on house arrest.

Here’s another one his office fucked up. A man that had spent two separate stints in prison for two different murders was stopped for a stop sign violation. He had a gun and drugs in the car. They dropped the gun and drug charges because he didn’t show up for court on the stop sign violation and was found guilty and charged $25. Because it double jeopardy, they were unable to try him on the gun possession charges and had to drop them.









 
Who is actually arguing for this?

The officials who ran on it, and the people who voted for it.

I mean "who is actually arguing for this?" Really? That's a serious question? The Democrat party has been running on it for like 6 years.
 
Damn, so the police in this case didn't even bother investigating a murder just because they thought the DA wouldn't see it through? That's messed up. Extremely unlikely, but messed up if it were actually true.

lol... The government in these places are telling people to just work from home because the Cities are so fucked up. George Gascon has been a miserable failure in both San Francisco and Los Angeles



 
Don't worry, once the illegal aliens have been fast-tracked through the green card process, the former illegal aliens will stop the violent crime

 

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