Law Progressive district attorneys Thread/krasner/gascon/james/bragg

I am watching episode two of Philly da now.

One thing that krasner did right is he reinforced a “do not call” list for officers whose integrity is questionable or has been outright established to be unreliable to not come and testify in court. First, it makes me absolutely sick that there are officers that have fucked up so bad that their cases won’t be tried in court or they won’t be called to testify in a criminal trial. Why the fuck are they still cops? They’re fucking useless to society. Any arrest they make is going to be dismissed if they are the sole officer making the arrest. They have some things such as lie during an investigation, stole, or worse and somehow, they are still cops. Absolutely disgraceful and disgusting. Do not call lists are nothing new and certainly not something that krasner started, however, he made it public that such a list exists. When I was po po, our prosecutors had a similar list, but not for those reasons. We didn’t have any cops that were dirty like Philly does. They were either fired, quit, or the dirt they did was unknown. Our list was for officers that were not reliable to show up for court either on time or at all or really just sucked at testifying. I would get subpoenaed for court cases where I was peripheralj or the supervisor on scene because I was very good at testifying and I showed up. I have testified in all levels of court from city, magistrate, circuit, and federal.

No cop wants to show up at 8am after having just finished a midnight shift at 6 am. That shit sucked, and that was why many cops missed court and would make it on our list. The ones that sucked at testifying were either not invested or didn’t care; not eloquent or confident on the stand; wrote shitty reports which leads to shitty testimony; or simply weren’t the brightest bulbs in the bunch. But testifying is part of the job. A big part when it hunts go to trial, and if you are unable to testify because you did something to hurt your credibility, you shouldn’t be able to be a cop. Period.

Here is a little extra background that is not in the documentary for those that don’t know.
The sixth amendment guarantees the right to a speedy, fair trial by a jury of your impartial peers. It also guarantees the right to face your accusers, cross examine and question them, and have legal representation. The fourteenth am

Brady v Maryland is the Supreme Court case that forces prosecutions to turn over any exculpatory evidence-that which may prove the innocence of the accused or evidence that reveals that a witness’s credibility is questionable, including cops. These cops are known as “Brady cops.”

I bring up brady cops, the 6&14 amendments, and Brady to illustrate just how bad having cops that you have to put on a list of bad or dishonest cops that you can’t use for trials or prosecute these cases if they are the sole arresting officer. Of course the ways around this are to let your partner put the cuffs on and do the searches, obtain the warrants, write the reports-you know, basically everything because you fucked up. And what pisses me off is that dirty cops lock up innocent people(for which they should be fired and locked up themselves), greatly harm the fragile trust between the community and law enforcement, and have legitimate cases tossed out and criminals released back into the community. In this episode, these is an asshole public defender that finds out about the list and demands all the convictions linked to those officer’s’ testimony and has hundreds of people released from prison and those already released to be taken off of parole or probation. And on top of that, they may have a lawsuit coming, costing taxpayers money and making a potential shithead rich. I say that last part because probably most of those cases were legitimate, but a cop on that list testified in their trial, getting them released and money to boot. Again, if they make that list, in most of not all cases, they should not be able to be law enforcement officers at all. But some made that list for stupid shit like a dui or getting into a fight at a wedding reception (case is mentioned), but if an officer is planting drugs, lying on the stand, violating rights, etc-they shouldn’t be cops and should be prosecuted.
Episode 3 coming up
 
Episode 3 of Philly da

Starts with discussions of the death penalty, which krasner campaigned that he would not seek in Philly. Again, they have someone point out that more black and brown people are on death row as some kind of condemnation and implications of racism in the system. I guess if those people that are committing horrible crimes are black or brown, they should probably be given a pass because too many that look like them that came before them have done horrible crimes.

It picks one particular case, Sgt Robbie Wilson, who was an on duty cop inside a GameStop when two shitbags came in shooting, trying to rob the place. Ok video, Wilson can be seen purposely moving away from the citizens during the gun fight so they are not hit in the crossfire or hit while the thugs are aiming at him. He is struck in the head and killed. After debate about whether to give the two the death penalty, krasner decided against it and even threatened legal action against the fop for so strongly advocating for it.

After firing 30 prosecutors when he first started, krasner and his cronies begin to demote and degrade the senior prosecutors, including the lead juvenile prosecutor that had been there since the 90s and the lead homicide prosecutor that had been there since the 80s. The homicide prosecutor was reassigned to insurance fraud and the juvenile prosecutor was demoted and reassigned. Both resigned and took jobs elsewhere, which is what this dick wanted in the first place.

In going with the change in culture, they decided that referring to juvenile offenders as “juveniles” is derogatory and settled on “youths.”

Episode 4 coming up
 
Episode 4 probation/parole reform

PA has the second highest amount of people on parole/probation in the country just behind Georgia. Philly leads the state and has six times the amount of people on probation as nyc.
There are 40k people on probation in Philly!
A normal person sees that and thinks “damn, Philly has a crime problem!” Nope, not krasner. He claims that the first year that people are on parole/probation (p-p) is good, but every year after that has diminishing returns. He said beyind three years, being on p/p actually CAUSES CRIME. He then says it again at the press conference-it causes crime. It then cuts to a judge saying that’s ridiculous-how does having to call your po every week cause crime? Exactly. It’s ridiculous.

The episode also follows a woman that was on probation after being paroled from prison. It doesn’t say exactly what she was locked up for, other than at some point, it talks about her pointing a gun at someone. The episode focuses on how oppressive it is to be on probation and how smoking a joint will get you sent back to prison. Look, I am not going to say that’s not fucked up. I don’t think it’s that simple and I think krasner et al are being overly dramatic on that issue. There are aspecrsni would like to see with probation being held over peoples heads. 3 years seems reasonable and then, if they fuck uo again, that’s when you look at their prior criminal record and give them a stiffer sentence. I think those on paper should be helped to get a job and should have to keep it, or another job and prove they are a useful member of society and not just a fucking menace. My issue with probation is that criminals on parole fuck up and instead of going back to prison, they just add time onto probation. They do this several times. I am sick of people being allowed to commit crime after crime after crime for their whole lives until they kill someone.

This episode didn’t focus on bond issues, and maybe a future one will, other than the first episode that wanted to end cash bail. But I am sick of seeing violent criminals released on pr bonds and then violating bond and then just given another pr bond. Fucking krasner is absolutely notorious for releasing violent people on pr bonds and I posted multiple stories about him releasing violent criminals accused of car jacking people and getting out on zero bond and then committing murder. That shit is on krasner and his office, whom are almost entirely made up of former defense lawyers and fresh out of law school grads that he hopes to mold into social justice warriors. I didn’t post it, but he hired a big batch of fresh grads and over half of them didn’t pass the bar exam. Pathetic.

Up next, ep 5
 
Episode 5

Not much to this one. This one focused on both sides of one crime. In 1992, two boys, a sixteen year old and a fifteen year old, kept getting into fights. So one of the boys (16 year old, teen 1) lured the other one to a park where his friend (teen 2)shot him in the legs, disabling him, with a shotgun that the first kid bought illegally on the streets. The gun jammed and teen 2 handed the shotgun to teen 1, who cleared the jam, reloaded and then fired two times. One shotgun blast to the chest and the next to the head, obviously killing him.

This episode focused on that crime with teen 1 getting life in prison. krasner(purposely never capitalized because I don’t respect him at all) fought to get this guy paroled, which he eventually did after 27 years in prison. The flip side of the coin was the victim’s parents and how they were dealing with the loss and the prospect of the killer getting out. The mother wished he had gotten the death penalty even though Pa never actually uses it. The father wanted to confront the killer before he was released. They had a phone conversation where basically, the killer apologized and said he wished it had never happened.

Meanwhile, US states attorney McSwain begins blasting krasner in the news talking about how he is releasing dangerous thugs into the streets and they are killing people. krasner fires back in a press conference and claims they are following science because they hired a radical phd in criminology, who says there is no correlation between the number of people released by krasner’s office and the uptick in violent crime. krasner points out that murders in Philly had been rising for years and it wasn’t fair to put it on him or his policies. McSwain and critics pointed out that the murder rate rise steeply when krasner took office in 2017. they pointed out that krasner’s radically progressive policies to reduce incarceration and probation have been a disaster.

krasner says da office “laser focused” on gun crimes after record numbers of murders since the city began keeping track in 1960.
https://whyy.org/articles/philly-da-citys-2022-murder-rate-already-outpacing-record-deadly-2021/
A year later, krasner says there is no crime epidemic in Philly. Also note, that Philly news has a “Race and culture” reporter. Holy shit.



krasner on parole/probation reform



Attorney McSwain highlights failures of krasner and announces that he is filing charges against the suspects that krasner released.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-edpa/p...iolent-crime-and-gun-charges-two-philadelphia

Up next, episode 6, and more of me taking a shit on krasner’s head
 
Here’s one where krasner went really tough on a street racer that ran over a pedestrian and then led police on a chase.

Feom krasner after setting bond at over 1 million!!!!!

He’s flat out too dangerous to have on the street,” District Attorney Larry Krasner said during a Wednesday news conference. “Someone who is awaiting trial for this kind of activity is street racing in the evenings…It just means that he is not at a point in his life where he’s going to take his foot off the gas pedal in ways that are incredibly dangerous to himself, to others, to police, even to his passenger, and, of course, to the victim in this case.”

I have no issue with no giving this kid a pr bond, however, holy shit the inequity!!! He was on probation for a wreck less driving charge from a year ago for street racing. So now, he is held on a one million dollar bond! Wow, keep this extremely dangerous person off of the streets. Oh, and he’s a rich white kid from bucks county and not some gangbanger arrested for his second armed car jacking charge-released on a pr bond. So, to sum it up, larry krasner hates rich white kids and gives them one million bonds and releases multi felons for violent armed crimes on $0 bonds. Seems fair


https://whyy.org/articles/philadelp...ks-county-resident-street-racing-hit-and-run/
 
Episode 6. Cops vs krasner

This one is a good one. krasner is pissed off when he finds out cops are telling people that they can’t do anything for them because the da is releasing criminals back on the streets. They also say that krasner is anti-cop. That is absolutely true! He has a councilwoman that tells him he needs to do ride alongs with the captains and he is so damn hesitant, making up excuses. He finally says “if you think I need to” and she says “yes, you need to.” He makes another reason and him haws about it, saying it can’t be an enemy cop that hates him. She tells him he needs to see what they do and that he needs a relationship with the police. And he says “well, you can do it that way, but….”

The FOP president goes on the news and reveals that krasner has released 4k felons from prison and they are running the streets committing crimes.

krasner keeps saying that he is not prosecuting weed possession or prostitution. Ok, fair enough. But when he says “we are prosecuting the big stuff” he is full of shit. He constantly releases car jacking suspects and felons with firearms, and it seems to be determined by their race. They have an ARD meeting, which is basically their diversionary program in lieu of prosecution. They go over a couple of cases. Weed dealer-fine, put him in it. A white guy on a motorcycle (I looked up the case) is approached by a group of street thugs and he fears being robbed. He is a legal conceal carry guy, military veteran with no record, and he fires two shots in the air to scare them away. He is arrested and they decide he is too big of a risk to put on diversion? Meanwhile, he is releasing and dropping cases against convicted lifelong felons that are carrying guns and car jacking people, but he wants to go after a white guy legally carrying that scared off some potential and likely robbery suspects? Fuck him.

He does a press conference where he takes all the credit for busting up a drug ring making five million in profits. How did he make that bust? Was it him and his team of former public defenders that put the cuffs on them? Was it him that did the surveillance and worked CI’s and made buys? Was it him that put himself at risk serving high risk warrants for armed drug dealers? The answer to all of these is an emphatic “no.”

The message that krasner cares more about the criminal suspect than he does the victim is mentioned again several times. He and his communications guy joke about saying “yeah, that’s true.” He is more concerned about what he can do to decrease incarceration using diversion and restorative justice than meeting with the victims and seeing what they want. He absolutely is focused on the suspects and maybe that is a result of him spending thirty years as a defense lawyer and a far left soros progressive.

After much prodding, too much, krasner is talked into going to a crime watch meeting. He tells them directly “the police are lying to you” in reference to his office not prosecuting people, especially drug dealers. He breaks out his favorite phrase “the science (numbers) doesn’t match your perceptions.” There is concern that he is allowing safe injection sites to open up and I both agree and disagree with him on this issue. In terms of trying to stem the flow of fatal overdoses, this may help. In terms of creating a junkie hangout spot where there will be more crime, I disagree. He says it won’t happen-the science shows it won’t. But just like bars, these places will attract criminals of all sorts-dealers, thieves, junkies, gang members, homeless, and violence. Someone in the audience suggests krasner put a safe injection site near his house and I just had to laugh. It is 100% true that if you put these conditions in and around the wealthy, this shit would go away and fast. It might get moved down the road, but the rich residents would wield their imbalance of power and have laws suddenly enforced. There would be no loitering on the streets, no open air drug market, no zombies bent over at the waist high on tranq and fentanyl, no people fighting in the streets, no trash or dirty needles, none of that shit. Some of the council members live where all this is going on, especially in kensignton, the epicenter of all of this.

So, since no one at the meeting was prepared to do this, I will refute krasner’s notion that he doesn’t prosecute crimes.

We will start with the easiest one. During the summer of 2020, during the height of the riots and protests, 95% of arrests and citations were dismissed by krasner’s office.

Illegal gun possession arrests are up, but prosecutions are way down. With over half of the 3000 cases being lost or dismissed(most dismissed) krasner has been blaming two things: civilian witnesses not showing up for court or officers bringing weak evidence in the case. He also says the science doesn’t show that there is a correlation between non-violent carrying of an illegal weapon and violent crime. “We do not believe that arresting people and convicting them for illegal gun possession is a viable strategy to reduce shootings,” Krasner’s office told the Inquirer in January.”

In 2021, over 6,000 illegal guns were taken off of the streets and there were just over 300 convictions. 2 resulted in jail sentences being handed out. Holy shit.

krasner blames Pennsylvania’s gun culture for supplying so many guns to be used on the streets and he says going out and seizing guns will never solve the problem. However, only 1 in 4 guns seized in homicides or gun violence crimes originated in PA, so his theory on PA gun culture is debunked right there. He also often blames the nra saying that their culture places guns directly into the hands of shooters and murderers. And, he says arrests for gun possession are a waste of time. Really? They seized six thousand guns in 2021. How many of those would have been used in crimes? And that’s six thousand guns off of the streets and less guns to shoot people and cops with.

And when taken with krasner’s stance on not prosecuting felons with firearms because the crime largely involves black or brown suspects, you start to see that he absolutely is dropping and dismissing cases and then blaming it on police for shitty cases. Here are some quotes and a link:

“With so many guns available," Krasner says, "a law enforcement strategy prioritizing seizing guns locally does little to reduce the supply of guns, and, if it entails increasing numbers of car and pedestrian stops, has the potential to be counterproductive by alienating the very communities that it is designed to help." He notes that "people of color are disproportionately stopped in Philadelphia and arrested for illegal gun possession in Philadelphia and statewide." African Americans, who represent 44 percent of Philadelphia's population, account for about 80 percent of people arrested for illegal gun possession in the city.

"Focusing so many resources on removing guns from the street while a constant supply of new guns is available is unlikely to stop gun violence, but it does erode trust and the perceived legitimacy of the system," Krasner writes. "This in turn decreases the likelihood that people will cooperate and participate in the criminal legal system and associated processes, reducing clearance, conviction, and witness appearance rates."

Krasner highlights an oddity of Pennsylvania law that compounds the racially disproportionate impact of arrests for illegal gun possession.

The exact same offense in every other county in Pennsylvania (carrying a firearm without a permit to carry) is only a misdemeanor offense….The legislature's decision to more punitively criminalize
and subject to more collateral consequences only the residents of its most diverse city is inequitable and obviously racist."


In a recent report, Krasner's office said the focus on illegal gun possession, at least in cases involving nonviolent offenders with no felony convictions, was about singling out people of color.

"Our legislature's primary interest is incarcerating Philadelphians," the report said, "most of them Black and brown."



https://reason.com/2022/02/16/phila...and-much-injustice-in-gun-possession-arrests/

https://www.inquirer.com/news/philadelphia-gun-arrests-2021-convictions-vufa-20210330.html

https://www.inquirer.com/news/philadelphia-gun-arrests-2021-convictions-vufa-20210330.html
https://journal14.com/what-good-are-gun-control-laws-when-larry-krasner-wont-enforce-them/

Up next episode 7
 
I cant speak for any other state but prop 47 and zero cash bail have almost crippled cops in california. Thats why even the mayor of LA Karen Bass who is very progressive wants to increase police salary across the board because they cant hire new recruits or maintain the ones they have. Until laws that enable the criminals are repealed getting rid of DA's and Judges will only do so much. You cant have law and order when the laws prevent order.
 
chrisdiaz said:
I cant speak for any other state but prop 47 and zero cash bail have almost crippled cops in california. Thats why even the mayor of LA Karen Bass who is very progressive wants to increase police salary across the board because they cant hire new recruits or maintain the ones they have. Until laws that enable the criminals are repealed getting rid of DA's and Judges will only do so much. You cant have law and order when the laws prevent order.
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george gascon, da of la, is a piece of shit and one of my top five worst and most dangerous district attorneys in the country. Obviously, krasner is at the top of this shit pile
 
chrisdiaz said:
I cant speak for any other state but prop 47 and zero cash bail have almost crippled cops in california. Thats why even the mayor of LA Karen Bass who is very progressive wants to increase police salary across the board because they cant hire new recruits or maintain the ones they have. Until laws that enable the criminals are repealed getting rid of DA's and Judges will only do so much. You cant have law and order when the laws prevent order.
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Cash bail should not be a thing.
 
StewDogg11 said:
So I would assume you are against criminal defendants being held with no bail as well?
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There should be bail for some people who have been charged, but money ought to have nothing to do with it.
 
FIMN said:
There should be bail for some people who have been charged, but money ought to have nothing to do with it.
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So you agree for serious violent crimes they should be held in jail until their case is adjudicated?

Meh. You only have to pay 10% of it and it insures you have to show up for court or you’re on the hook for all of it. Morons who continually fail to appear clog up the system something serious.
 
StewDogg11 said:
So you agree for serious violent crimes they should be held in jail until their case is adjudicated?

Meh. You only have to pay 10% of it and it insures you have to show up for court or you’re on the hook for all of it. Morons who continually fail to appear clog up the system something serious.
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I believe justice is or ought to be blind. Otherwise its a two tiered system.
 
FIMN said:
I believe justice is or ought to be blind. Otherwise its a two tiered system.
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So if a guy commits a violent rape/murder he should just be able to sign for his next court appearance & be on his merry way and not be held in jail or have to pay a bail that at least somewhat insures he will appear in court?
 
StewDogg11 said:
So if a guy commits a violent rape/murder he should just be able to sign for his next court appearance & be on his merry way and not be held in jail or have to pay a bail that at least somewhat insures he will appear in court?
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I didn't say that. I'm just saying if said person had money or didn't, the decision should be made on grounds of everything other than if you pay.

Let's put it this way - if I am a violent rapist who happens to be rich, should I be able to pay to get out?
 
FIMN said:
I didn't say that. I'm just saying if said person had money or didn't, the decision should be made on grounds of everything other than if you pay.

Let's put it this way - if I am a violent rapist who happens to be rich, should I be able to pay to get out?
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I’m open to hearing your alternative theories on what you think would work.
 
StewDogg11 said:
I’m open to hearing your alternative theories on what you think would work.
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It's really simple it removes a decision point from the process.

Danger to community/flight risk? No bail.

Otherwise, bail until court date.

That's it.
 
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