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Since 2020, there has been a tremendous push from the left to eliminate cash bail because in their view, it harms the poor and minorities

. While I am not completely against using personal recognizance bonds, or pr bonds, for very minor crimes or those suspects that pose no risk to the community, but I also think that the risk they pose to commit other crimes should also be a consideration. Part of the reason I feel this way is that a pre-trial suspect has not yet been convicted of a crime and should not be held any longer than is necessary so long as they are not a flight risk, risk to the community due to a violent offense, or going to constantly commit crimes while they are out, violating the conditions of their bond and yet, in these instances, they are not punished at all for violating these conditions (that always include not committing additional crimes), and then they are released yet again on no bond.

There are various hellholes in this country that have pushed for so much bail reform that the people they release on low or no bond, end up committing murder and other horrific crimes. Just to name a few, Philly, nyc, Houston, la, Portland, Denver, Seattle, and a multitude of other cities.

Here are some examples, followed by links in some cases, to these stories.

In Denver, a man was arrested for making threats to kill people
And then threatened to shoot officers. He also had a gun on him at the time of his arrest. He was also a felon. He was released the next day on a pr bond and then broke into a 77 year old man’s house and murdered him.https://kdvr.com/news/local/denver-...ns-about-criminals-leaving-jail-without-bond/

Houston man arrested and released on pr bond, which he violated 37 times with no repercussions until he murders another man. He then posted another bond and showed up to court 45 minutes late. He and his mother laughed and smiled at the victim’s mother and he was posting raps about killing the victim. His bond was eventually revoked. https://www.fox26houston.com/news/r...conditions-more-than-3-dozen-times-speaks-out

Here’s a quote from another article highlighting the issue: “
These suspects just tell our cops, just laugh in their faces, I'll just be out in a couple of hours," said Acevedo. "You know what the jokes on us and ultimately the people we serve."

"It makes no sense but there's this big push to get people out of jail," said Harris County Precinct 3 Commissioner Steve Radack.

Radack and Acevedo support PR misdemeanor bonds.

But they say some Harris County Criminal Court Judges and Magistrates are releasing violent convicted felons on multiple PR or felony bonds over and over again.

Some of those defendants go on to commit new crimes while out on the bonds.

"It's outrageous and Houstonians need to speak out against this because people are getting hurt and killed as a result," the chief said.

"Things are not improving," said Radack. "They're getting worse day by day."

In less than two years, 61 people have been killed by defendants out of jail on multiple felony bonds or PR bonds.”

Houston, again. Quinnton Allen gets out of prison after serving 10 years for committing an armed robbery and shortly after he is released, he is caught with a firearm as a felon and released on a pr bond. While free on bond, he kills someone. https://www.fox26houston.com/news/2...-to-armed-robber-recently-paroled-from-prison

Here’s one from my favorite da, larry krasner of Philly. Sexual predator served two prison terms for rape and was paroled. While on parole, he committed a burglary and defense attorney asked for no bond, which krasner agreed to. Then, his parole officer issued a warrant to arrest him for violating parole again, and larry krasner dismissed both the warrant and the burglary charge to keep him on the streets. Well, he used a uhaul truck to burglarize home after he dismembered the homeowner and kept the torso and disposed of the rest in a dumpster. https://national-conservative.com/s...ed-on-a-pr-bond-and-allegedly-dismembers-man/

Another one from krasner, they released a car jacking suspect on a pr bond and he went on to rob and then execute a temple student. The execution came after the victim complied and handed over his belongings.

In NYC, a man was arrested on attempted murder after trying to shoot someone. He was released on a pr bond and he went on to murder three people.
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Also, in Houston, 27 murderers are being investigated because all 27 were out on 2 or more bonds at the time of their committing murder.

Houston, yet again, man arrested for kidnapping a torturing his gf was released on $2 bond. Upon being released he makes contact and threatens her if she proceeds with the case.

A current study of Houston cases dating back to 2015, found that over 221 murder were committed by subjects out on bond.


I could go on and on and on and on. When will this shit ever end? How many innocent victims are acceptable? And putting aside the multitude of murders, what about non fatal shootings and other crimes? Some shitbag thief that runs in and out with loads of merchandise is freed on a pr bond and they continue to steal. Or some drug addict breaks into countless cars to feed their habit. The criminal history needs to be a big factor in determining bond amounts. If they are habitual offenders or have a long and violent criminal history, maybe it’s not safe to release them into society as some people simply can’t function in a society with laws.

And these same people pushing for bail reform are often the same people that push for bullshit like reformative justice, in which a criminal is simply made to apologize to the victim and listen to their speech about how their crime affected their life in a negative way. They’re also often the same people that want to defund or abolish the police. And somehow, we have allowed them to take a strong foothold in our criminal justice system. This goes from not responding to or prosecuting crimes to no bond and eventually weak ass sentences.
 
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How's your crusade going buddy, are you winning yet?

Meh. Clearly not, or there wouldn’t be a need to post a thread about shitbag progressive prosecutors and judges taking it easy on criminal turds. But yeah, definitely something to laugh over when innocent people are being killed. Too bad they weren’t killed by police because then you might actually care
 
It's deliberate.
DEPOPULATION is the agenda.

Sherbros,
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What people don’t understand is that of course crime is going to go up when you actually start reporting and prosecuting crimes rather than ignore them like chesa did. Another thing that can raise violent crime is when you begin to crack down on drug and other crimes, it creates a squeeze on the resources and people turn on each other. How did chesa’s policies help absolutely one victim? Did his apologies the criminals were forced to give the victims make them whole again? Lol. Did police not responding to theft calls under $1000 make people safer? No, it was so bad that those crimes weren’t even counted towards the stat totals, maybe by design, so it wouldn’t be revealed how bad things were. And George gascon and larry krasner are even worse. Much worse.

And do you have anything to contribute to the point of the thread being bail reform and how many dangerous criminals released on pr bonds go on ti kill innocent victims?
 
No cash bail means a rich criminal cannot buy their freedom (like they have been able to do for ages)

If a judge deems someone a risk to the public they will be held incarcerated until trial. Should we spend tons of resources holding a guy in jail for a dime bag of marijuana?

What's so difficult about it to understand..
 
Everything you stated must be considered, of course, as there is no easy solution to the problem. You give the criminals too much power (or are too lenient), and the average joe gets beat up by them. You give the cops and the State too much power, and they beat up the regular joes as well.

That said, a monetized bail system has much more of an effect than just being unfair to the people who can't afford bail.

What happens, a lot, is that people are given a choice to either accept a plea deal, or sit in jail for months or even years waiting for their trial. More often than not, people will take the deal and admit guilt just because they can't afford to just sit in jail for months and months waiting for something that itself is not certain (ie not guilty).

This happens to people who are completely innocent, were in the wrong place at the wrong time, or were framed by the cops (planting evidence). So what are they supposed to do? Give up their job, their home, everything they own because they will be in custody for months? Or admit guilt and get let out immediately to move on with their lives? Noting that they now have a record that might influence any future run-ins with the state, and most certainly pads the "stats" the DA is looking for.

Of course, not everyone in custody is innocent. The majority are not. But enough people, who were actually innocent, who could not afford to be released on a monied bail system, are basically strong armed in to pleading guilty simply because going away to the county jail for 9 months can be a real disruption to regular life.
 
Everything you stated must be considered, of course, as there is no easy solution to the problem. You give the criminals too much power (or are too lenient), and the average joe gets beat up by them. You give the cops and the State too much power, and they beat up the regular joes as well.

That said, a monetized bail system has much more of an effect than just being unfair to the people who can't afford bail.

What happens, a lot, is that people are given a choice to either accept a plea deal, or sit in jail for months or even years waiting for their trial. More often than not, people will take the deal and admit guilt just because they can't afford to just sit in jail for months and months waiting for something that itself is not certain (ie not guilty).

This happens to people who are completely innocent, were in the wrong place at the wrong time, or were framed by the cops (planting evidence). So what are they supposed to do? Give up their job, their home, everything they own because they will be in custody for months? Or admit guilt and get let out immediately to move on with their lives? Noting that they now have a record that might influence any future run-ins with the state, and most certainly pads the "stats" the DA is looking for.

Of course, not everyone in custody is innocent. The majority are not. But enough people, who were actually innocent, who could not afford to be released on a monied bail system, are basically strong armed in to pleading guilty simply because going away to the county jail for 9 months can be a real disruption to regular life.


Excellent reply. I agree that there is no easy answer. But what I do know is that the cash bail system has caused incalculable harm to the poor in this country for all the reasons you listed.

Examples the TS used are awful but in general pretty rare. Innocent people sitting in jail for months/pleading guilty in order to move on, just because they don't have the money to post bail is much more common and has had a much larger negative impact on society.

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/06/09/no-bail-less-hope-the-death-of-kalief-browder
 
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Those progressives. When will they ever stop killing people. Wait, progressives don't kill people, people kill people?
 
I think you've confused these people with cops.
 
No cash bail means a rich criminal cannot buy their freedom (like they have been able to do for ages)

If a judge deems someone a risk to the public they will be held incarcerated until trial. Should we spend tons of resources holding a guy in jail for a dime bag of marijuana?

What's so difficult about it to understand..

Long way to tell me you didn’t read the op without actually telling me you didn’t read the op.

Almost all of the stories I posted are about very violent criminals with long, violent criminal records being released on no bond and then committing murder. No one is suggesting that minor possession needs to be locked up until trial, or at all. The two biggest factors in determining if and amount of bail is the flight risk and the risk to the community as well as consideration of criminal record. The whole point of this thread is that progressive das and judges are throwing all of that out the window for racial justice reasons. To prove that point, I tried to find one story involving a white guy being released for a violent crime without bond and I couldn’t find one. Hundreds of stories like I found though, which leads me to believe this progressive push is because of the race of the offender. I have said this a dozen times, but Philly da larry krasner flat out said he won’t prosecute felons with firearms cases because it primarily affects black and brown bodies. You know what else in Philly affects black and brown bodies? Bullets fired by felons with firearms.

but krasner does love to blame the nra for flooding his city with guns, but something tells me that the guns in his city aren’t being carried by nra members.
 
Everything you stated must be considered, of course, as there is no easy solution to the problem. You give the criminals too much power (or are too lenient), and the average joe gets beat up by them. You give the cops and the State too much power, and they beat up the regular joes as well.

That said, a monetized bail system has much more of an effect than just being unfair to the people who can't afford bail.

What happens, a lot, is that people are given a choice to either accept a plea deal, or sit in jail for months or even years waiting for their trial. More often than not, people will take the deal and admit guilt just because they can't afford to just sit in jail for months and months waiting for something that itself is not certain (ie not guilty).

This happens to people who are completely innocent, were in the wrong place at the wrong time, or were framed by the cops (planting evidence). So what are they supposed to do? Give up their job, their home, everything they own because they will be in custody for months? Or admit guilt and get let out immediately to move on with their lives? Noting that they now have a record that might influence any future run-ins with the state, and most certainly pads the "stats" the DA is looking for.

Of course, not everyone in custody is innocent. The majority are not. But enough people, who were actually innocent, who could not afford to be released on a monied bail system, are basically strong armed in to pleading guilty simply because going away to the county jail for 9 months can be a real disruption to regular life.

I touched on these very points in a paper I wrote during my masters thesis. My solution was to base bail and who gets it on the severity of the crime(violent bs not), the criminal history of the defendant, and the risk they pose to the community to commit other crimes. If you have a non violent offense with a first time offender, then release them on a recognizance bond. If you have Joe shithead who has been a criminal his whole life, constantly commits crimes, and is in for violence-they get no bond or a high bond.
 
Excellent reply. I agree that there is no easy answer. But what I do know is that the cash bail system has caused incalculable harm to the poor in this country for all the reasons you listed.

Examples the TS used are awful but in general pretty rare. Innocent people sitting in jail for months/pleading guilty in order to move on, just because they don't have the money to post bail is much more common and has had a much larger negative impact on society.

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/06/09/no-bail-less-hope-the-death-of-kalief-browder

See, I would disagree. These are not rare occurrences at all. In the last five or so years, in Houston alone, 271 murders were committed by people out on bond or no bond. Now multiply that for the entire country and I think the harm is much greater than the damage you are mentioning.
 
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