PRO fighters fat free mass index(FFMI)

[aus101]

Well damn, I shouldn’t have skimmed this scientific document and missed the damning numbers.
So GSP’s high range barely coming in over the parameters set forth by the Universities findings pretty much convicts him? I think I read something about genetics also, but again was skimming. Seeing as GSP seems to have shitty genetics he’s likely slamming everything according to these guys? Help me, I want to stay informed.

GSP has shitty genetics? When he was fighting at around 190 pounds at 10 percent bf at 5’10 you thought he had shitty genetics?

 

[GrayArea]

Ts’s thread was based off of a study which had a lot of flaws. Fortunately, people have found flaws in the ways in which the data was collected and how these “guidelines” were achieved. It’s an interesting article.
“We advertised in four gymnasiums in the Boston, Mass, area and in three gymnasiums in the Santa Monica, Calif, area to recruit subjects. We offered $60 for a confidential interview to any male aged 16 years or older who had lifted weights for at least 2 years.”

“This is our first red flag: If you’re designing to study to see what the limits of drug-free muscularity are, you’d want to make sure your subjects are actually at least near their own genetic ceilings. As it is, the only requirements were being at least 16 years old, and lifting weights for at least two years. I hope we can all agree that a) most gym-goers don’t train particularly effectively and b) most people aren’t closing in on their genetic limits after just 2 years of training.

Now, it’s likely that there were a few subjects who were actually pretty close to their muscular limits. “the nonusers included many dedicated bodybuilders. Several had competed successfully in ‘natural’ bodybuilding contests, two held world records in strength events, and many others were recognized by their associates as highly successful weightlifters”

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From:
http://gregnuckols.com/2016/12/11/ffmi/

The lengths you will go to uphold your hero’s image in your reality is admirable

 

[Intellidamus]

In practical use ffmi is actually very good, guys that are obvs juiced will be shown as obvs juiced in the ffmi, 25-26, you can argue if you just do hypertrophy or strength style training, but a natrual boxer or mma fighter at those numbers, fuck no

I have a bit of experience in strength training and have read quite a bit on it. I’ve never trained for a sport while doing so, therefore I don’t have a lot of knowledge on the effects on each other. I also don’t have a lot of knowledge on genetic limitations. But there are some guys who are interesting case studies like Bo Jackson. I just know a standard for ALL people will have its flaws.

 

[AlanGregson]

Francis and Yoel fight their body type, and they thorough history looked their body type through several different continents. They employ very athletic yet paced strategies knowing full well they don't have the gas tank to bounce around doing a lot of output.

No amount of drugs would make yoel or ngannou cardio machines, its like asking nate diaz to become a one shoot killer, their body type is explosive fast twitch,
I was always explosive fast twitch, always will be, no matter how much cardio i do i will never have amazing endurance, same for mcgregor, if they cant get you out in the first two rounds, your chances of winning the fight went up a lot

 

[The XL]

FFMI is a nonsensical formula that holds no scientific validity and has been debunked many times

 

[Intellidamus]

The lengths you will go to uphold your hero’s image in your reality is admirable

The lengths you will go to avoid reading...
Read the article man, it’s interesting.
I like stuff like this, especially since I was uneducated in it for the most part.

 

[Intellidamus]

GSP has shitty genetics? When he was fighting at around 190 pounds at 10 percent bf at 5’10 you thought he had shitty genetics?

I’m a huge GSP fan. It was a joke to poke fun at the “scientific” post.

 

[Fahcough]

Can't even fathom being bored enough to do this even during a lockdown.

It was a YouTube video . When you click 1 it suggest the You May Also Like. This one was about 2 deep recently.

 

[wildbulls]

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No amount of drugs would make yoel or ngannou cardio machines, its like asking nate diaz to become a one shoot killer, their body type is explosive fast twitch,
I was always explosive fast twitch, always will be, no matter how much cardio i do i will never have amazing endurance, same for mcgregor, if they cant get you out in the first two rounds, your chances of winning the fight went up a lot

Have you even watch how these fight? They put everything into their punches - so they wind everything into their shots. They don't feint, throw jabs, circle around etc... Nate Diaz is the opposite where he emphasizes in volume of punches so he doesn't put incredible effort into his punches. The whole fast twitch thing is very real but it's more how these guys fight and not genetics that dictates their cardio.

 

[AlanGregson]

I have a bit of experience in strength training and have read quite a bit on it. I’ve never trained for a sport while doing so, therefore I don’t have a lot of knowledge on the effects on each other. I also don’t have a lot of knowledge on genetic limitations. But there are some guys who are interesting case studies like Bo Jackson. I just know a standard for ALL people will have its flaws.

So there were no steroids around at the time Bo Jackson was competing?
He competed in baseball and football, a lot of "steroid talk" going around for those two sports... He was a once in a life time athlete and he was also jucied, so were the guys that played with him and competed against him, if you have dog shit genetics, steroids wont do much for you, now if you have great genetics and you're a freak of nature, guess whats gonns happen when you start juicing

 

[AlanGregson]

Have you even watch how these fight? They put everything into their punches - so they wind everything into their shots. They don't feint, throw jabs, circle around etc... Nate Diaz is the opposite where he emphasizes in volume of punches so he doesn't put incredible effort into his punches. The whole fast twitch thing is very real but it's more how these guys fight and not genetics that dictates their cardio.

No its actually how your body is built, if you're muscular with fast twitch you're not gonna be good in the long run, nate diaz punches as hard as his body can muster, you fight acording to your body type, imagine ngannou trying to be a volume puncher, he'd be dead tired at the end of the first

 

[Intellidamus]

So there were no steroids around at the time Bo Jackson was competing?
He competed in baseball and football, a lot of "steroid talk" going around for those two sports... He was a once in a life time athlete and he was also jucied, so were the guys that played with him and competed against him, if you have dog shit genetics, steroids wont do much for you, now if you have great genetics and you're a freak of nature, guess whats gonns happen when you start juicing

Unless we are Bo (Bo knows) or his doctor we obviously don’t know 100% anything.
But there’s stories of him looking like that from a young age. Also stories of his dislike of weight lifting. Supposedly he refused to do it along with everyone else. But on the times he did he was just naturally strong. Some story about him benching and getting right on there and hitting 450 plus and his coach made him stop out of fear of hurting himself.
Guy was a once in a lifetime, perhaps greatest athlete ever. That’s what I mean by interesting genetic examples.

 

[AlanGregson]

Unless we are Bo (Bo knows) or his doctor we obviously don’t know 100% anything.
But there’s stories of him looking like that from a young age. Also stories of his dislike of weight lifting. Supposedly he refused to do it along with everyone else. But on the times he did he was just naturally strong. Some story about him benching and getting right on there and hitting 450 plus and his coach made him stop out of fear of hurting himself.
Guy was a once in a lifetime, perhaps greatest athlete ever. That’s what I mean by interesting genetic examples.

Benching 450lbs natrual, also didnt like to lift weights.... What the fook, its weird how there are no more guys that dont like to lift weights and sre mike tysons size or bo jackson like, prob cuz those boys were on a shit ton of testosterone, even with bad testing you would get caught on those type of doses.

 

[Intellidamus]

Benching 450lbs natrual, also didnt like to lift weights.... What the fook, its weird how there are no more guys that dont like to lift weights and sre mike tysons size or bo jackson like, prob cuz those boys were on a shit ton of testosterone, even with bad testing you would get caught on those type of doses.

Like I said, only they know the truth. But I don’t doubt there are genetic freaks out there.
Did you ever read the article? You really should. It shows the flaws in these “guidelines”.
I won’t post a mocking gif/meme out of respect, lol.

 

[Draxton]

One of the hardest hitters ever, Francis Ngannou.

6ft4, around 255lbs, doesnt cut weight, body fat not lower than 12%, not higher 15%, so lets give him the full benefit of the doubt and say 15%, FFMI comes out at 26.3, at 14% its 26.5, at 12% its 27.3



Next lets look at the boxing golden boy Anthony Joshua

In the first Ruiz fight, 6ft6, 247.8lbs, about 12-13% body fat, FFMI 24.8-25.3

You’re going to put these 2 pictures together and say Joshua has a lower BF% than Francis??

 

[AlanGregson]

You’re going to put these 2 pictures together and say Joshua has a lower BF% than Francis??

I said 12-15%, he's prob the same as joshua, i was trying to ilustrate just how fucking stupid people that say ngannou is natrual are, even at 15% boey fat he would be well above the natrual limit

 

[AlanGregson]

Like I said, only they know the truth. But I don’t doubt there are genetic freaks out there.
Did you ever read the article? You really should. It shows the flaws in these “guidelines”.
I won’t post a mocking gif/meme out of respect, lol.

I was laughing at the fact that bo jackson benched 450lbs natrual while also not lifting weighs, you have lifting experiance, one of those statements doesnt add up.

 

[Intellidamus]

I was laughing at the fact that bo jackson benched 450lbs natrual while also not lifting weighs, you have lifting experiance, one of those statements doesnt add up.

Lol, wasn’t gonna happen in my world. But I’m not a genetic expert on everyone else.

 

[AlanGregson]

Lol, wasn’t gonna happen in my world. But I’m not a genetic expert on everyone else.

350lbs, farmboy, working his whole life, genetic freak... Sure... 450lbs no weight training, natrual, nah. Lifting that type of weight natrually is like fucking rare, fat guy powerlifter, training bench for years rare.

 

[Iron Nick]

Height only allows to get a rough idea how much mass someone can put on if one assumes that every person has the same bone thickness and joint width.

This is not the case though.
If you were to make an x-ray of Daniel Cormier and Max Holloway, you'd see that both have vastly different frames, despite being pretty much of the same height

Being big boned plays a huge factor in how much mass someone can put on his frame.
@AlanGregson