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who was the upper echelon when he took every available belt and then defended them 7 times?
Prime Tyson overrated.
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Imagine speaking “every available belt” with a straight face.
How’d he do against Evander and Lennox?
Lol, Tony’s only win up to his first loss to Mike was Buster Douglas. Beat fucking nobody prior pal. You sure you watched any of his career?
You sound mad lol
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i mean, the people who are saying mike didn't beat anyone worth a damn are saying it. you can't claim he was beating just scrubs and then also claim spinks was great. spinks was dope and mike blew him out the fucking water.
and tyson wasn't exactly a big HW, he outweighed spinks by 6 pounds. it's just that he hit harder than the biggest HWs, and was buit like a fucking tank. now i agree with you, physicality definitely played a big factor in this fight, spinks simply couldn't withstand him at any point. i just disagree that it was because mike was too big for him, but rather because he was far too powerful. and that was true even when he fought guys a lot bigger than spinks.
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so who was the upper echelon when he took the belts and defended them 7 times?
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Youre having problems understanding what is being said here.
There was no upper echelon, the division was a joke.
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oh, the ironing.
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But it's debatable if Spinks was a great heavyweight, which is what is relevant. P4P Spinks is great, but so is Willie Pep and Tommy Hearns. I wouldn't put too much stock if Vlad Klitscho knocked out Ward in a few minutes or whatever.
Mike Tyson doesn't need to be a big heavyweight, he needs to be a natural heavyweight to be larger than Spinks, which he is.
You already said it, Mike Tyson is built like a tank. Mike Tyson is not making 175 unless he is on chemo therapy. Mike Tyson is definitely built for 200+ pound fighting because of how he can pack on size/retain his speed (hes also naturally thicc). Spinks probably was not.
No one said Mike Tyson only beat guys because he is bigger than them. I am referencing it is important to highlight that Spinks is obviously a natural 175er, he is not an all time great heavyweight. Being an all time great boxer does not make you an all time great heavyweight, which I feel is relevant when talking about a fighter that exclusively fought at heavyweight.
Tyson is an all time great HW and beat the guys in front of him (from the previous generation), but I think him not really beating guys of his generation is a legitimate criticism of his dominance. Not really related to the rest of this sub-topic, but I figure I should state where I stand.
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Youre right pal, Mike fought in a great era of HWs and beat the best in the world.
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nobody is saying that he is the best ever, you are just seriously underestimating how good he actually was
we arent random fucking joes sat here going "Mike Tyson is the greatest of all time", i think most in here with half a brain has him between 5-10, which i think is valid
in his prime, he beat the best the world had to offer, he cleaned everyone out, you don't understand that though and are going off tangent for some reason
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Nobody on a tangent but his fanboys bud. I simply said he fought in shit tier era and lost to all relative big names he fought. I didnt say he ducked anybody, im simply presenting the unfortunate realities of how his career played out.
Mike isn’t in the top 10 fyi.
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that should read "IMO", not "FYI"
im not even a fan of Tyson, but lets stop being stupid here, not seen a single fanboy of Mike Tyson on this forum in my many years here, or if i have, i dont remember them
maybe they are all in the UFC bit where they dont know fuck all about anything?
If you are making an argument for great wins for Tyson with Frank Bruno and Holmes out of retirement, than you know, that Tyson's resume is very poor.
Wilder has 10 straight defenses. It does speak nothing of quality
It is not like I agree with him, but seriously - all we can do about Tyson is dream matches.
Holyfield crushed him
Lewis crushed him
Douglas crushed him
He hasn't met Bowie or Foreman.
To be honest the best win in entire career of Mike Tyson is Michael Spinks and this is a guy, who isn't making even top100 best heavyweight in history.
Wilder has 10 straight defenses. It does speak nothing of quality
It is not like I agree with him, but seriously - all we can do about Tyson is dream matches.
Holyfield crushed him
Lewis crushed him
Douglas crushed him
He hasn't met Bowie or Foreman.
To be honest the best win in entire career of Mike Tyson is Michael Spinks and this is a guy, who isn't making even top100 best heavyweight in history.
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Shavers is really exaggerating. Look at some of the guys he lost to. A few of them were literal nobodies like Bob Stallings and Stan Johnson.
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He was a naturally gifted specimen with a ferocity of spirit that was unmatched. He was very dangerous and very good at one stage but was he truly in the greats of the greats? My counter argument is that every time in the ring that Tyson was truly tested he never really rose to the occasion like others in the top ten list have. He either gave in to the way the fight was going and quit or looked for a way out like the ear biting incident . He looked like an unstoppable force when monstering folks but very human when tested. No come from behind victories like Ali for example. Every time he had his heart truly tested he folded. We can talk about what ifs with his trainer till we are blue in the face but still a borderline top 10. A great fighter yes, but a rung or two down from the true heavyweight kings.
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people who keep talking about how mike lost to holyfield and therefore isn't an all time great are hilarious to me.
who is good, then?
holyfield? he lost to fucking valuev, ha ha! lennox? KO'd by mccall for fuck's sake. shavers? losses to literal nobodies. foreman? couldn't even beat ali. ali? leon spinks was 6-0 when he beat him, ridiculous.
there isn't a fighter in the history of the world whose career i can't tear apart if i try my hardest to be an ignorant fucking fool.
who is good, then?
holyfield? he lost to fucking valuev, ha ha! lennox? KO'd by mccall for fuck's sake. shavers? losses to literal nobodies. foreman? couldn't even beat ali. ali? leon spinks was 6-0 when he beat him, ridiculous.
there isn't a fighter in the history of the world whose career i can't tear apart if i try my hardest to be an ignorant fucking fool.
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This is weird stuff.
Disciplined version was enough patient and calm even enough to fight all fight till end of bout. Till cards. Carefully watching mistakes etc.
Ofc Mike in prime discipline and shape period had big problems vs these and other athletes.. a lot of others too.
While fans usually are judging Mike like some kind of simple headhunter....stuff prime Mike was not at all. Mike in prime peak more was calm snake carefully watching and ready to provoke/ counter and follow game.
Cold snake type vs headhunter lurking for finish ASAP ....
Holyfield uncle variation had lost vs Valuev on cards... despite some % of hardcore Valuev fans had scored this as a draw...russians..yes.
You might call Valuev as fucking but did someone managed to finish him? Cos due to origin he should automatically become a bum etc?
No one had managed to finish him in distance. While yes. Had wins on cards.
Passport = bum doesn't works here. Cope.
Foreman? Ali was protected by Don King. Don did all the best in his abilities in order to tackle fight to Zaire where local dictator was Ali fan and most likely maybe all the best...to prevent rematch
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