Prime Tyson overrated.

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He was a very good boxer but he's also only a borderline top 10 HW. People (casuals) often have him as the GOAT, so yes, he is overrated.

Overrated by casuals. Underrated by “experts”. Probably towards the bottom of the top 10. In his actual prime though I can't say he would have a chance vs ATG heavyweight champ like Foreman, Ali, Lewis, Fury, Wlad.

He's the Conor McGregor of boxing
 
Pierce 34 said:
He was a very good boxer but he's also only a borderline top 10 HW. People (casuals) often have him as the GOAT, so yes, he is overrated.

Overrated by casuals. Underrated by “experts”. Probably towards the bottom of the top 10. In his actual prime though I can't say he would have a chance vs ATG heavyweight champ like Foreman, Ali, Lewis, Fury, Wlad.

He's the Conor McGregor of boxing
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It's not a bad comparison really, in that both had a way larger profile than their actual achievements in their respective sports.

And I reckon if I did a list Tyson would be about 9 or 10 so agreed on that.
 
Pierce 34 said:
He was a very good boxer but he's also only a borderline top 10 HW. People (casuals) often have him as the GOAT, so yes, he is overrated.

Overrated by casuals. Underrated by “experts”. Probably towards the bottom of the top 10. In his actual prime though I can't say he would have a chance vs ATG heavyweight champ like Foreman, Ali, Lewis, Fury, Wlad.

He's the Conor McGregor of boxing
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The problem is even his fanboys can’t agree when his “prime” ended. Some will claim he was out of prime by the old age of 23. I think it’s more of an excuse for him losing to a 42-1 underdog who then got destroyed by Evander Holyfield in his first title defense.
 
Mike Tyson is probably the most commonly attacked boxer from what I see. People are always trying to discredit his whole career. There is a reason why he was so popular though. When people saw him fight they knew they were seeing something special.
 
StewDogg11 said:
The problem is even his fanboys can’t agree when his “prime” ended. Some will claim he was out of prime by the old age of 23. I think it’s more of an excuse for him losing to a 42-1 underdog who then got destroyed by Evander Holyfield in his first title defense.
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The Douglas upset was embarrassing but realistically we've seen bigger upsets in heavyweight history even if it was statistically the most significant. I never agreed with the odds in the first place. Mike was ridiculously overpriced. Nobody should be a 42-1 underdog especially in a division where a single punch can change everything.
 
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Misery Signals said:
Mike Tyson is probably the most commonly attacked boxer from what I see. People are always trying to discredit his whole career. There is a reason why he was so popular though. When people saw him fight they knew they were seeing something special.
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Probably because at his peak Mike did look like nothing we'd ever seen before. His combination of skill & explosiveness was something to behold.
 
froggyluv said:
McGregor...? cmon man
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I mean he kind of is? He's the most famous boxer today, is partly known due to a destructive and cartoony personality, has a lot of fans, many people who dont follow the sport closely say hes the GOAT (P4P or HW), he's more like a top ten HW than a GOAT candidate.

Just sounds insulting because you probably think McGregor is a jabroni. But it's basically MMA's closest equivalent.

Could just as easily use guys like Derek Jeter or Kobe Bryant instead.
 
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This take is rather cold.
 
Pierce 34 said:
Idk I'm more mma guy
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it shows

While most casuals do overate Tyson, to compare him to Fury is an abysmal take, he still cleaned up a lot of mess hanging around at the time he made it and beat some good fighters
 
He'll never escape the "weak competition" argument, but from a pure athletic standpoint, I think most pundits agree that he was on another level. Nobody can deny the power/speed/technique. If he hadn't gone to prison, I think he would've been figured out by some elites that he's a very scary 3 round boxer, but as is, it remains a "what if". He also was prone to giving into the lifestyle, which most cite as the reason he lost to Buster Douglas, so he might've screwed up his career all the same just from partying and showing up at 50% on fight night.
 
He's the greatest can-crusher of all time. No great wins on his record, but plenty of good wins & exciting moments. He brought a chaos to boxing which will never be equaled or surpassed.
 
I’m a big Iron Mike fan, definitely a bias about his prime, but aside from picking fantasy fights with my heart, the dude did not prove as much as his fans wanted him to, so he does create a little discussion on the matter.
 
HereticBD said:
He'll never escape the "weak competition" argument, but from a pure athletic standpoint, I think most pundits agree that he was on another level. Nobody can deny the power/speed/technique. If he hadn't gone to prison, I think he would've been figured out by some elites that he's a very scary 3 round boxer, but as is, it remains a "what if". He also was prone to giving into the lifestyle, which most cite as the reason he lost to Buster Douglas, so he might've screwed up his career all the same just from partying and showing up at 50% on fight night.
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you are making sound like he is butterbean, c'mon man, he beat some very good fighters
 
Without a doubt the most insane potential ever shown at HW......but generally all for naught. Wowed the world by eviscerating scrubs.....but unfortunately never shone in the big moments when it came time to fight the upper echelon. I believe he put on a bit too much muscle mass which hindered that early speed and timing he had.

I have him somewhere in the 10-15 range of a HW goat list.
 
Natural Order said:
Without a doubt the most insane potential ever shown at HW......but generally all for naught. Wowed the world by eviscerating scrubs.....but unfortunately never shone in the big moments when it came time to fight the upper echelon. I believe he put on a bit too much muscle mass which hindered that early speed and timing he had.

I have him somewhere in the 10-15 range of a HW goat list.
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now you need to fuck off, this is the problem with people on a karate forum, they see the likes of Jon Jones fighting a 10-5 MMA fighter and think he is fighting "the best in the world"

Michael Spinks, Tony Tucker, Larry Holmes, Frank Bruno, Donovan Ruddock are not fucking scrubs you absolute ignorant dick
 
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