He wouldn’t have improved.
Tyson was up on the cards? And of course Douglas won just about every round.
If Kevin said that he was wrong. tyson had lots of things he could have improved on, things he would have needed to improve on to be a great fighter, he just didn't. I remember during the Pinklon Thomas fight, Kevin had him jabbing with Pink and after a couple rounds told him to just go for the kayo, they were still trying to get him to grow in those years, as soon as King and Givens moved in that pretty much ended.
Just because he had flaws like everybody else doesn't mean he could have fixed those flaws. Tyson didn't improve one bit from 1985-1988 at an age where he should have improved the most but he would have magically improved later on because?
why? Because he was so young, heavyweights typically reach maturity at 27-28. The Ali that beat Liston wasn't fully matured either, as great as his performance was. The Duran who won the lightweight title wasn't as good as the duran of five years later. Tyson had such abundant gifts that he could have fought in different ways, he did a bit of using the in and out and angles and jabbing, but he finally just settled on being a midrange fighter, which became too easy to predict and counter for bigger men. It's academic because he didn't, but I'll always think he could have.
I refuse to believe that a 20 year old fighter would not continue to improve.
Tyson was leading on the cards heading into the 10th ….it was insane
I'd forgotten that.
Most boxers don’t have a style that’s absurdly damaging for their lower backs and requires every single movement to be explosive.
no one from that time in his life says he had back problems, they say he lost his skills and regressed.
He would most likely have back problems had he kept boxing from 1991-1994 instead of resting in prison, considering how taxing on the lower back his style is.
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long story short, Mike did become someone in pursuit of the big kayo instead of using a lot of skills, that's a huge factor in what caused him to fall apart. In the prime years, he was willing to outpoint and grind guys down. After that, the only fight I can think of where he really worked was the second Ruddock fight, which was a tough fight and one of his better wins.He would most likely have back problems had he kept boxing from 1991-1994 instead of resting in prison, considering how taxing on the lower back his style is.
Mike Tyson weaving question
We all talk about head movement as being hip movement. But from what I see in Tyson is him just swaying his upper body left and right, is this a different kind of weaving? I see a lot of people who do like a slip and a roll in which it looks like the legs are doing a lunge and a squat and the...
Also, you completely ignored my point about the peek-a-boo requiring peak athleticism and therefore being most suitable for fighters in their early 20s.
I’m explaining to you why the peek-a-boo is a young man’s style and you’re giving me Tyson’s biography like it’s even relevant.
Because that may not be true, maybe it is. I've never thought about it. I know the style has always been controversial and it does have some problems. Patterson eventually strayed from it too, for what it's worth, he seemed to not get knocked down as much using a more orthodox style. As far as it being taxing, I don't know. Tyson was short, there would be only so many ways he could evade punches.
That’s the difficulty in really evaluating the true legacy of Mike Tyson. I was a huge fan of him myself when I was a kid. But when you evaluate his career, it’s hard to know who he really would beat when it comes to these all-time legends in his so-called prime? He only was really locked in on boxing, training, the desire to be the best for a few years. By 1990 between his marriage, the changes in his training, and his partying he had lost his way already and he was in only his early 20s. Now, if he hadn’t gone to prison, gotten back to his old training habits, and gotten rid of Don King, who knows? He would’ve needed to do all those things after the Buster Douglas fight.
his size would always be a problem, he had to work so hard just to get into a place to punch that he was bound to burn out.
There weren’t a lot of huge heavyweights during the very peak of his career. So I don’t know if it would’ve been a huge problem for him until maybe he got into his late 20s? I mean he had Lennox Lewis and he had Riddick Bowe, at the very peak of his career maybe fighting those guys in the early 90s I think Tyson could’ve won those fights but who the hell Knows?
Yes. Remember that Razor Ruddock supposedly gave Tyson some of his best fights, and what a young Lewis did to him.
