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well, sure, at the very least he'd have a puncher's chance. He was a real fighter in those years.
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Lewis won some pivotal fights(big) Ruddock, Rahman 2 but also had epic struggles with Bruno and Mercer as well as getting leveled twice. Its not cool to laud Tyson, like any crossover star. The guy synonymous with knocking opponents out like popeye on spinach, who's punch power is hilariously being questioned in this thread. Prime vs Prime I see Lewis getting beaten.
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He was a heavyweight, lots of heavyweights have the big punch, that's not what made him special. He also didn't just kayo anyone he hit, some of the tougher/more determined guys lasted some rounds. My opinion, he wasn't the puncher that a shavers, a foreman, or maybe even a Lewis was.
He was skilled and fast, as a young pro he also could fight for 12 rounds if he had to. I just don't know if it would be enough, he never did throw a lot of punches, less than 50 a round and he was a fast starter, most of his kayoes happened in the first 3 rounds. He could be extenended, ESPECIALLY by the taller, heavier guys he fought. The difference was, he could still win on the cards in his peak years if he didn't get a kayo. So, I kinda go back and forth on whether he could beat Lewis or not. Lewis was skilled for his size and a big puncher with a cerebral approach. Would tyson be able to do to him what he did to the guys in his golden period? I don't know.
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Tyson was designed from day 1 to handle guys like Lewis. Big tall guys who fight predictably behind the jab and right hand. Heck, Tyson's entire offense was built around ducking under taller guys jabs and countering. Young mike makes quick work of Lewis.
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Lennox also got dropped by Mikes old sparring partner.
I think if Mike stayed disciplined and kept his old trainers, he would be a nightmare for anyone in his era. He was too fast and moved amazing for a heavyweight.
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Yes Tyson was taught to slip the jab and stop the movers, yes, he was incredibly coordinated and skilled but he was still 5-11.5 (or shorter if you believe some folks) and had a 72 inch reach, that's a helluva lot to give up. Ya, he could kayo Lewis but I have some doubts.
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He couldn’t finish James Tillis or Tony Tucker but would make quick work of Lewis?
Tyson has no inside game. If a big man ties him up, he can no longer punch.
I've seen a few comments about Tyson's abilities over the years.
But they weren't distinguishing between the different parts of his life which were actually very varied & torn, which would not be easy for any person. Or how to deal with things post- trauma.
His prime was destroyed by many other factors in his life by being so young & rising to such fame which he didn't handle well at the time.
IMO, this is how I think we we should consider his life & boxing career-
1. Cus da'Mato in his life- until 1985
Mentor, father fugure & trainer where he learned most of his skills
Cus died in the same year he debuted
2. During the period when Rooney was Tyson's trainer -1988
Rooney takes over Cus's training of Tyson, which is what he learnt from Cus, had a professional record of 35 fights, 35 wins (31 wins by KO)
3. 1988- 1992
In turmoil from divorce with wife, sacks Rooney & management, goes to Don King productions with new trainers (fuck Don King)
From what I understand- lost discipline, partied, lost interest. During this time had his first lost to Buster Douglas
3. 1992 -1995
In prison
4. The wrest is a sad write off
Fuck Don king.
5. After retirement is very successful in his own endeavors!
From my analysis, Lewis would not have beaten Tyson between 85-90 which was Tyson's prime.
Tyson was usually the shortest fighter in any fight he had, Cus taught him to overcome the height difference & you can see it in his 85-90 boxing videos.
I think Tyson was the master of duck & weave so would have been able to hit Lewis, being taller, hard!
We have seen that Lewis did beat Tyson; but at many years after his decline & after much personal turmoil
Lewis is lucky to have fought Tyson at the time he did. The same goes for Douglas & Holyfield.
But they weren't distinguishing between the different parts of his life which were actually very varied & torn, which would not be easy for any person. Or how to deal with things post- trauma.
His prime was destroyed by many other factors in his life by being so young & rising to such fame which he didn't handle well at the time.
IMO, this is how I think we we should consider his life & boxing career-
1. Cus da'Mato in his life- until 1985
Mentor, father fugure & trainer where he learned most of his skills
Cus died in the same year he debuted
2. During the period when Rooney was Tyson's trainer -1988
Rooney takes over Cus's training of Tyson, which is what he learnt from Cus, had a professional record of 35 fights, 35 wins (31 wins by KO)
3. 1988- 1992
In turmoil from divorce with wife, sacks Rooney & management, goes to Don King productions with new trainers (fuck Don King)
From what I understand- lost discipline, partied, lost interest. During this time had his first lost to Buster Douglas
3. 1992 -1995
In prison
4. The wrest is a sad write off
Fuck Don king.
5. After retirement is very successful in his own endeavors!
From my analysis, Lewis would not have beaten Tyson between 85-90 which was Tyson's prime.
Tyson was usually the shortest fighter in any fight he had, Cus taught him to overcome the height difference & you can see it in his 85-90 boxing videos.
I think Tyson was the master of duck & weave so would have been able to hit Lewis, being taller, hard!
We have seen that Lewis did beat Tyson; but at many years after his decline & after much personal turmoil
Lewis is lucky to have fought Tyson at the time he did. The same goes for Douglas & Holyfield.
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What’s Tyson gonna do if Lewis clinches with him?
The peek-a-boo system has no answer for the clinch. Tyson’s reaction to being clinched is always to freeze and wait for the ref to break it up.
Sure, if you let Tyson move freely and never clinch, he’ll run circle around you and fuck you up. If you clinch with him though, he doesn’t know what to do.
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Am I getting trolled?
First, Cus D'Amato system is literally and officially called the peek-a-boo, not the "duck-and-weave" or whatever the fuck.
Second, you obviously only watch highlights. Go watch Tyson's full fights against James Tillis, Tony Tucker and Larry Holmes. Every time Tyson gets clinched, he stops moving. Even the commentators in the Tillis fight were shocked asking out loud why Tyson can't fight in the clinch.
Because nobody taught him how to. The peek-a-boo doesn't include clinch work. All that slipping and ducking and weaving and shifting is shut down the moment he gets clinched.
Yes, they were destroyed
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Everybody come and laugh and at this idiot who thinks that Tyson fought Tillis, Tucker and Holmes during his Don King Era and that his style is called the "duck-and-weave" and not the peek-a-boo. I have no words.
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He's right. Tyson fought using a specially designed system known as the Peek-a-Boo.
Peek-a-boo (boxing style)
Notice how it's listed separately from the bob & weave? The latter is just a single component within the system.
Boxing styles and technique
Okay, lets laugh at Tyson's boxing skills
Apparently Tillis is one of the best boxers of ll time according to stopducking
Lets applaud him more than than Tyson, Foreman Ali, Lewis, Holmes, Frazier
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Tyson was weak in the clinch but when he was young, he would throw a lot more inside than he did later. He was always vulnerable to a bigger man grabbing him and he seemed to be happy to wait for the break often times. Joe Frazier was clinched like over 100 times in the Ali rematch and he bitched about it the rest of his life but like Tyson, he didn't really seem too interested in fighting from there. You can't dictate how your opponent should fight you you just have to deal with it. Truth was, Joe was still mentally recovering from the foreman beating and didn't really put up much of a fight that night. That fight is often called boring and not in the class of the 1st and 3rd fights.
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I think it comes down to the referee. If the ref allows Lewis to hold and smother Tyson its anybody's fight. But with a disciplined ref Lewis is getting stopped every time. Watch Lewis vs McCall or Lewis vs Rahman, once Lewis gets tagged he is done.
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