prime Lebron > prime Kobe

[Madmick]

the guy that sticks up for queers pulling down others pants? na lol.

you said this year that paul pierce would beat lebron 1 on 1, now you are trying to make the case he is better than bryant in his prime...keep trollin tho.

That was a nice brushstroke in this consummate display of maturity.

 

[Palpatine]

the guy that sticks up for queers pulling down others pants? na lol.

The guy who destroyed you in this thread, forcing you to have an emotional response and breakdown, and then going away with your tail in between your legs.

you said this year that paul pierce would beat lebron 1 on 1, now you are trying to make the case he is better than bryant in his prime...keep trollin tho.

I also said that I would favor a prime Colby vs Lebron in a 1 on 1 match as well. What's the problem? Colby has some of the best footwork (as does Pierce), and skill-set ever. Why would I be trolling about that?

You know the league that Colby and Lebron play in, is a 5 vs 5 team sport though right? Not a 1 on 1 match. I think Carmelo could beat Lebron in a 1 on 1 game as well, but that doesn't mean I would say that Carmelo is a better NBA player than Lebron.

Though, the Lebron that we've seen in the months of Jan and Feb, has me questioning my opinions. It seems like he's still getting better and better.

 

[zere0wn]

Kobe better scorer. Lebron better player.

 

[edirpfc**]

That was a nice brushstroke in this consummate display of maturity.

truth hurts dont it? if you want maturity, go to your reply when i said i cant argue with someone is isnt open to changing their mind... come on now.

 

[Loc13]

Neanderthals getting destroyed by science in this thread.

 

[edirpfc**]

The guy who destroyed you in this thread, forcing you to have an emotional response and breakdown, and then going away with your tail in between your legs.



I also said that I would favor a prime Colby vs Lebron in a 1 on 1 match as well. What's the problem? Colby has some of the best footwork (as does Pierce), and skill-set ever. Why would I be trolling about that?

You know the league that Colby and Lebron play in, is a 5 vs 5 team sport though right? Not a 1 on 1 match. I think Carmelo could beat Lebron in a 1 on 1 game as well, but that doesn't mean I would say that Carmelo is a better NBA player than Lebron.

Though, the Lebron that we've seen in the months of Jan and Feb, has me questioning my opinions. It seems like he's still getting better and better.

were talking better player, not teammate. if kobe in his prime could beat prime lebron in 1 on 1, the case can be made he was a better player. i dont even know how anyone can compare them. lebron in his prime has the best team in the league. kobe in his prime had lamar odom and smush parker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfB3d1FjhCc lebron ever made that many buzzer beaters in his life let alone 1 game?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeXZY4eVLlo lets see lebron do that lol.

 

[Palpatine]

were talking better player, not teammate. if kobe in his prime could beat prime lebron in 1 on 1, the case can be made he was a better player. i dont even know how anyone can compare them. lebron in his prime has the best team in the league.

Lol, no it can't. You're clueless. You probably shouldn't have come back.

How else do we compare one player to another, other than by looking at their Professional Basketball career and performance in a league? Hypothetical 1 on 1 matchups mean absolutely nothing.

Guys like McGrady or Carmelo, could probably dominate the majority of the top 50 greatest NBA players, but neither are in top 50 at all.

kobe in his prime had lamar odom and smush parker.

So Colby's prime was only two years of his career? Nice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgSmpCAq4-4 has lebron ever made that many buzzer beaters in his life let alone 1 game?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeXZY4eVLlo lets see lebron do that lol.

 

[Palpatine]

Shaq > Jordan

 

[MusterX]

Shaq > Jordan

I like this one better.

 

[Revolver]

It's mind-boggling to me that people buy into a such a tragically irrelevant approach. If Lebron wins 3x Championship, likely in which he'd be the NBA Finals MVP each time, then he'll become one of only four players to have 3x Finals MVP or more, and guess what? Kobe ain't one of those. Tim, Magic, Shaq, and Jordan are the only guys on that bus. People keep forgetting that NBA Championships are just one measure of success in evaluating a player, and that there are gradations of success in the regular season and postseason.

Those don't magically become invalid the instant it is an inconvenience for Kobe nutriders to address. I swear I'd love nothing more than to see LeBron win 4x championships with the Heat, seemingly failing to match Kobe, then only years later, in the twilight of his career, hobble over to a Clippers squad and piggyback onto two more NBA Championships riding some kid's coattails. Oh, how the tears and tantrums would flow...

that would be awesome. dream scenario right there.

 

[Revolver]

Gary Payton does make good point though. I tend to agree with him LBJ wouldn't be as good back than as he is now.

How can Payton have a good point? He never won anything, his opinion is invalid.

 

[Revolver]

you should watch where he runs behind the ref right after, that is the best part.

like childs was really afraid of Colby's cholo slap punches.

 

[Lord Commander Palis]

Shaq > Jordan

hah good shit

 

[Chillez]

How can Payton have a good point? He never won anything, his opinion is invalid.

Nither did Karl Malone and Charles Barkley among other all time greats. Who cares. He knows more about basketball than you or me will ever know. I agree with Payton point.

 

[faustian]

You can't guard him now because it seems like you can't put your hands on him. You know what I'm saying?" Payton said during the All-Star break. "With LeBron, if somebody can hand check him and muscle him, I still think it could be the same. It's a lot different when somebody can hand-check you and control you and be stronger than you on the block or whatever and not let you go anywhere.

"It's a little bit different, as being free and being a freak of nature and his body that he has right now, nobody can guard him, you know what I'm saying? So right now, if he could come back in our era and we could hand check him and guard him and bigger guys get on him and when he gets to the bucket we hit him and knock him like (Bill) Laimbeer, like the Boston Celtic days, it'd be a little bit different. I guarantee you it would be. But he's still great, he's still a great basketball player and like I said he's playing in a great era because he can get to the bucket whenever he feels like it.

Link: http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2013/03/01/pulling-away-from-his-peers-lebron-james-competition-is-becoming-history/#ixzz2MO3ME5ut

Payton won a ring with The World Champion Miami Heat in 2006, but I don't think he thought through his science here. No one is going to hand-check and control and be stronger than LeBron. I honestly believe he'd want to bang with that era's rules because when you're bigger stronger faster than everyone, you have the physical advantage in a physical game. Yes defenders were allowed to be more physical, but guess what, offensive players were allowed to be more physical in return. LeBron not having to worry about being called for phantom charges or hooking defenders would be brutal.

Did you know tigers can measure in at 11ft 670lbs? LeBron is like a bigass tiger that you'd never expect to domineer and weigh as much as it does because of how damn quick and agile it is compared to everything else in it's weightclass. Now take a second to think of 5-10 players in today's game who you would say are most comparable to LeBron in physical stature...

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I guarantee your list didn't include...

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Beyond that, and beyond the fact that NBA defenses of the postmillennial communication & information era are infinitely more sophisticated and better coached/executed today than at any time in NBA history, two words: zone defense. It's the only defense that has ever worked on LeBron, and it was absolutely prohibited in Payton's era. It's almost hard to imagine that there was a time when you couldn't double-team offensive players until the ball was in their hands, but prior to 2001, NBA defenses were literally forced to play man-on-man defense.

I guarantee LeBron would swap zone Ds for hand-checking with less hesitation displayed by Kobe in prime rape-mode.

 

[Lord Commander Palis]

Payton won a ring with The World Champion Miami Heat in 2006, but I don't think he thought through his science here. No one is going to hand-check and control and be stronger than LeBron. I honestly believe he'd want to bang with that era's rules because when you're bigger stronger faster than everyone, you have the physical advantage in a physical game. Yes defenders were allowed to be more physical, but guess what, offensive players were allowed to be more physical in return. LeBron not having to worry about being called for phantom charges or hooking defenders would be brutal.

Did you know tigers can measure in at 11ft 670lbs? LeBron is like a bigass tiger that you'd never expect to domineer and weigh as much as it does because of how damn quick and agile it is compared to everything else in it's weightclass. Now take a second to think of 5-10 players in today's game who you would say are most comparable to LeBron in physical stature...

Spoiler

I guarantee your list didn't include...

Spoiler

Beyond that, and beyond the fact that NBA defenses of the postmillennial communication & information era are infinitely more sophisticated and better coached/executed today than at any time in NBA history, two words: zone defense. It's the only defense that has ever worked on LeBron, and it was absolutely prohibited in Payton's era. It's almost hard to imagine that there was a time when you couldn't double-team offensive players until the ball was in their hands, but prior to 2001, NBA defenses were literally forced to play man-on-man defense.

I guarantee LeBron would swap zone Ds for hand-checking with less hesitation displayed by Kobe in prime rape-mode.

Good God man... LOL

 

[Chillez]

Payton won a ring with The World Champion Miami Heat in 2006, but I don't think he thought through his science here. No one is going to hand-check and control and be stronger than LeBron. I honestly believe he'd want to bang with that era's rules because when you're bigger stronger faster than everyone, you have the physical advantage in a physical game. Yes defenders were allowed to be more physical, but guess what, offensive players were allowed to be more physical in return. LeBron not having to worry about being called for phantom charges or hooking defenders would be brutal.

Did you know tigers can measure in at 11ft 670lbs? LeBron is like a bigass tiger that you'd never expect to domineer and weigh as much as it does because of how damn quick and agile it is compared to everything else in it's weightclass. Now take a second to think of 5-10 players in today's game who you would say are most comparable to LeBron in physical stature...

Spoiler

I guarantee your list didn't include...

Spoiler

Beyond that, and beyond the fact that NBA defenses of the postmillennial communication & information era are infinitely more sophisticated and better coached/executed today than at any time in NBA history, two words: zone defense. It's the only defense that has ever worked on LeBron, and it was absolutely prohibited in Payton's era. It's almost hard to imagine that there was a time when you couldn't double-team offensive players until the ball was in their hands, but prior to 2001, NBA defenses were literally forced to play man-on-man defense.

I guarantee LeBron would swap zone Ds for hand-checking with less hesitation displayed by Kobe in prime rape-mode.

Looks like you have man crush on Lebron. How am I not surprised. Also this post feels like.

 

[Jukai]

See, this is an interesting topic. On one hand, I do think that with Lebron's superior speed and strength, he'd prefer to play against someone hand checking him than against a really good zone defense that can just keep closing out on his drives.

On the other hand, the NBA doesn't really have teams with "really good zone defense." So I still think he'd have more trouble in the 90s with good hand checking over the 2000s with bad zone defense.

But it's more of a wash then Lebron haters would like to make you believe.

 

[Lead]

I can't believe people still think he's clutch. Dude is a bonfide can. Has he ever shot over 50% in his career?

This is why sports forums are such shit. They take one of the best players in a respective sport and claim they are shit because there are a handful of players above them in talent. So pathetic

 

[DustinB]

Prime Lebron > Prime Kobe for sure. LeBron just puts up some nasty numbers, and doesn't always need help.