Prime Fedor Emelianenko vs. Stipe Miocic

[jenspulverizer]

Stipe is already above Fedor at All time best heavyweight.

Winning the UFC belt and defending it > spending 10 years beating cans in random b leagues until you get knocked down by Maldonado.

Hendo as well and that was in his so called prime

 

[VB MMA]

Pretty obvious someone isnt in their prime anymore when they go from 31-0 to getting wrecked three times in a row by guys who werent close to their level a few years earlier.

Or........maybe he fought Fighters who were not as good as you thought. Remember, his best wins were CroCop and Big Nog. Both were beaten down by many Fighters, while they were still in there prime, just like Fedor.

 

[Raksas]

werdum was better when he fought stipe than he was against fedor lol.

That's the best line of argument that you could come up with? Please hold this L

 

[Final Say]

That's the best line of argument that you could come up with? Please hold this L

??? im not sure what else you expected to hear in response to your post. werdum beat fedor and then got way better.

he annihilated cain standing, forced him to shoot and choked him. he outstruck travis browne badly, twice.

you also said werdum fought a stupid fight which is total fallacy, he got outclassed and nothing he did worked. he rushed after stipe because he knew he needed to knock this guy out to beat him.

 

[MysticGOD]

only a casual fan would call any fighter unbeatable. thats a pro wrestling mentality, far removed from anything martial arts related.

Shutup casual
Prime Fedor in PRIDE was undefeated

 

[Final Say]

Shutup casual
Prime Fedor in PRIDE was undefeated

he fought nobodies. nobodies. he had two good wins, and those guys at no point would offer any resistance to stipe. guys who beat fedor and then got better were steamrolled by stipe.

stipe is a nightmare match up for fedor, as he is with most heavyweights, and stipe would knock him out, even in fedor's prime.

 

[Raksas]

??? im not sure what else you expected to hear in response to your post. werdum beat fedor and then got way better.

he annihilated cain standing, forced him to shoot and choked him. he outstruck travis browne badly, twice.

you also said werdum fought a stupid fight which is total fallacy, he got outclassed and nothing he did worked. he rushed after stipe because he knew he needed to knock this guy out to beat him.

I already said that Werdum is his best win. Still doesn't change the fact that Stipe fights in a division of prehistoric granpas and that 2 of the guys Stipe beat in his win streak Fedor, who at that point was already on the decline, already put away when they were younger and better.

 

[RiotWyatt]

This is so reminiscent of how Weidman was being called the MW GOAT after beating up a bunch of aging fighters. Outside of that, his only good win is Maia, barely.

Then as soon as he faced competition his age, he gets decimated. People clamored to call Rockhold the new GOAT who would destroy prime Anderson.

Then Bisping KTFO of Rockhold and the old men took over the division once again.

Don't get me wrong though, MW is looking promising with Whittaker, Moose and Gastelum.

 

[Bork Neslar]

Miocic by (T)KO.

 

[Final Say]

I already said that Werdum is his best win. Still doesn't change the fact that Stipe fights in a division of prehistoric granpas and that 2 of the guys Stipe beat in his win streak Fedor, who at that point was already on the decline, already put away when they were younger and better.

its whatever, some people were around to witness fedor's run real time and some people just saw all the cool hype videos on youtube after the fact. either way, a lot of people have emotional connections to his career.

me? I love fighting. the hype does not work on me.

fedor is better at one thing, and that is submissions. unfortunately for him, stipe is a much larger man with a D1 wrestling background who would almost certainly control any grappling that happened in the fight. even more unfortunate for fedor, stipe is a much better striker on top of being much larger and longer than anyone fedor ever fought. even if fedor was able to get in on stipe and initiate a clinch or some sort of shot, he would be dominated on the ground in terms of position. but my honest assessment? fedor probably wouldnt even make it to a clinch before being finished. he loses the fight standing and probably never even gets close to stipe.

 

[RiotWyatt]

That's the best line of argument that you could come up with? Please hold this L

The Werdum that was running blindly towards Stipe swinging wildly was a better fighter than the Werdum who slyly baited Fedor into a triangle choke. Lol.

 

[Claude]

77% to 22%

Rekt.

 

[FlyingHendo]

Prime Fedor mauls him terribly.

 

[Ritler]

We are in the post-title defense mania phase. Stipe is chinny and Fedor had an iron jaw in his prime. Stipe get's hit often. It only takes an objective man that's not in love with his favourite fighter to realise it is highly probably Fedor stops Miocic. Deal with it.

 

[Shaddows]

ones beaten amazing competition the other beat bums and cans

Agreed.

I thought I didn't have to mention that Fedor Beat the likes of Nog or Cro Cop (viewed by most people to be $2 and #3 top HW's of all times behind Fedor)

But while I do think it is not the best, guys like:
Arlovski (a no chin guy who lost his 4 last fights)
JDS (a guy who can't win two fights back to back for the past 5 years)
Overeem (who's best victories are over already mentioned Arlovski and Junior or Roy who is on a 3-7 run)...

yeah.... I know, it is not the killers list, but I would not call them bums or Cans...
You are being too harsh!

 

[RiotWyatt]

its whatever, some people were around to witness fedor's run real time and some people just saw all the cool hype videos on youtube after the fact. either way, a lot of people have emotional connections to his career.

me? I love fighting. the hype does not work on me.

fedor is better at one thing, and that is submissions. unfortunately for him, stipe is a much larger man with a D1 wrestling background who would almost certainly control any grappling that happened in the fight. even more unfortunate for fedor, stipe is a much better striker on top of being much larger and longer than anyone fedor ever fought. even if fedor was able to get in on stipe and initiate a clinch or some sort of shot, he would be dominated on the ground in terms of position. but my honest assessment? fedor probably wouldnt even make it to a clinch before being finished. he loses the fight standing and probably never even gets close to stipe.

Fedor has beaten two men with much better wrestling backgrounds than Stipe. He's beaten much better grapplers at their own game and has beaten one of the best strikers to transition into MMA.

Stipe's 1-2 spam is far from elite striking.

 

[Final Say]

This is so reminiscent of how Weidman was being called the MW GOAT after beating up a bunch of aging fighters. Outside of that, his only good win is Maia, barely.

Then as soon as he faced competition his age, he gets decimated. People clamored to call Rockhold the new GOAT who would destroy prime Anderson.

Then Bisping KTFO of Rockhold and the old men took over the division once again.

Don't get me wrong though, MW is looking promising with Whittaker, Moose and Gastelum.

im really tired of seeing this comparison. first of all, youre wrong about fighting guys his age. junior is younger than stipe. but i know youll back pedal and talk about the damage he took, which is actually legitimate.

my real gripe with this is that weidman is a terrible striker. he has no boxing. he has no kicks. he has no real striking game at all outside of the usual wrestler who just started training his striking. looping, winging hooks and overhands. mousasi dominated that fool standing up. weidman is nothing, nothing like stipe at all, especially standing up.

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

Stipe's prime is during the USADA era. That makes it more legit that anything that happened under "japanese drug testing".

Everyone was using back then. Fedor would fight guys who outweighed him by 50-100lbs and were juiced to fuck. Stipe is fighting deflated, worn down old guy versions of the likes of Reem and JDS who already got their asses kicked by USADA before Stipe got there.

Or........maybe he fought Fighters who were not as good as you thought. Remember, his best wins were CroCop and Big Nog. Both were beaten down by many Fighters, while they were still in there prime, just like Fedor.

Who says either of them were in their prime when they started losing a lot? there was like 5+ years between the 2nd Nog/Fedor fight and Nog getting destroyed by Cain. Thats an eternity in fighting or any sport really. Mirko went to shit quicker but there was still 7 fights between the Fedor loss and him getting KTFO by Gonzaga which is a fair bit of mileage. Stipe looks like a world beater now but will he in 2022 or with another 7 fights on his record?

 

[fatlipjesus]

??? im not sure what else you expected to hear in response to your post. werdum beat fedor and then got way better.

he annihilated cain standing, forced him to shoot and choked him. he outstruck travis browne badly, twice.

you also said werdum fought a stupid fight which is total fallacy, he got outclassed and nothing he did worked. he rushed after stipe because he knew he needed to knock this guy out to beat him.

the poll will say fedor

the truth is, he has nothing for stipe, even in his prime. cant strike with stipe, cant take him down, cant beat him on the ground even if he gets there.

its an awful match up for fedor and hed likely be finished in the first 5 minutes.

only a casual fan would call any fighter unbeatable. thats a pro wrestling mentality, far removed from anything martial arts related.

boxing (overall striking) and wrestling. only thing fedor is better at is submissions, which he will not be getting against stipe.

stipe's win streak (resume) is already better than fedor's. fedor would have never beaten any of the previous three wins on stipe's resume and stipe would have crushed everyone fedor beat.

stipe was in his prime when he lost to struve? is that what youre seriously saying? jesus christ man, then you have the nerve to call someone else a retard? wowzers. stipe wasnt even in his prime in the first junior fight. how can you not see that hes improved since JDS I? watch closer.

fedor never fought overeem , had a tough fight against hunt where he spent a lot of time on his back (lmao), even tougher fight with arlovski and lost to werdum.

on top of that, all 4 of those guys got better after that era.

stipe crushed all 4 of them with almost no issue, save for the flash knockdown against overeem, who fedor did not fight.

fedor would be finished by stipe in a matter of minutes.

ok.

stipe's resume is already better than fedor's (hunt, arlovski, werdum, overeem, JDS, all by finish, 4 in the first round) and he would have KO'd big nog and cro cop in their primes though.

but nice emoji though

werdum was better when he fought stipe than he was against fedor lol.

could probably say the same about hunt too.

plus, hunt had fedor on bottom position for like half the fight. watch how badly stipe owned hunt all over the ground and youll see this is laughable. stipe knocks fedor out on the feet or on the ground.

stipe is a nightmare of a mtch up for most heavyweights, fedor included

the style you need to beat stipe is deadly, technical striking and good takedown defense. if you cant finish the fight with your striking and you cant stay on your feet, youre pretty well fucked. ive been saying it since before the FIRST junior fight, junior is stipe's toughest match up on the entire planet. very good hands, explosive power, good chin and godly takedown defense. its the perfect storm.

grapplers with decent striking are completely fucked against stipe. thats cain, DC, fedor, werdum.... who else?

lmao this guy going apeshit that Stipe's getting wrecked in the poll

 

[Final Say]

Fedor has beaten two men with much better wrestling backgrounds than Stipe. He's beaten much better grapplers at their own game and has beaten one of the best strikers to transition into MMA.

Stipe's 1-2 spam is far from elite striking.

one two spam huh? you missed the multiple four punch combos he through on saturday? how about the 3-2, 3-2 which finished junior?

much better grapplers than stipe? have you ever seen stipe lose a grappling exchange? never. whats the true measure of a good grappler? fedor controlled a brazilian jiu jitsu expert who seemed content to stay in guard. mark hunt controlled fedor for half of their fight. did you see what stipe did to mark hunt?

fedor would almost certainly never get stipe to the ground and would be controlled there even if he did. by all accounts, stipe is nearly impossible to submit and hes brutal from top. he hasnt lost a single grappling exchange in his entire career. fedor would have no chance to beat him standing.