Prime Anderson Silva would beat Daniel Cormier

[240p]

yea but prime cormier destroys prime silva

 

[Bones245n4847]

Maybe but we will never know. What we do know is Anderson the Spider Silva stepped in the cage with charcoal Fedor and didn't win a single round. It's not like DC is a spring chicken himself, he's basically almost 40. Everything else is just candy and nuts bros.

 

[TheComebackKid]

Not getting decimated waiting for a stand up isn't good BJJ. Good BJJ is creating opportunities for scrambles or reversals.

It's great defense considering what Cormier and Weidman do to other people once they get them on the ground. Anderson may just be the best at avoiding damage from his back.

 

[BreadnButter]

So Cormier was not fully trained?



A couple of things. Both the Weidman fights ended on the feet and under unusual circumstances. AS was also past his prime in those fights as well. Weidman landed some decent gnp but he, like Cormier and Chael, was not able to finish the fight or even really hurt him from that position.

The reason Chael was so successful in the first fight was due to his gas tank. Chael had the gas tank to grind for literally 5 full rounds. Weidman and DC do not. They have 2 rounds in them at best and then they start to slow down and hang around on the feet.

Prime Anderson beats all of those guys in the same way. Weather the early wrestling and gnp and then finish the fight on the feet in the later rounds.

What is so unusual about getting knocked the fuck out by Weidman on the feet? Was it because Anderson was clowning? Isn't that what Anderson always does when he fights though?

 

[mjfan23]

Roided silva could have if he actually fought and didn't just try to make it out alive

 

[Taric]

It's great defense considering what Cormier and Weidman do to other people once they get them on the ground. Anderson may just be the best at avoiding damage from his back.

I would much rather see someone attempt something themselves to get them out of the situation they've been place in then sit back and wait for the round to end. Even if that means you may end up getting knocked out for your troubles.

You are never going to win a fight being purely defensive. Anderson has an L on his record just like the other people you mentioned.

 

[nogdog]

What is so unusual about getting knocked the fuck out by Weidman on the feet? Was it because Anderson was clowning? Isn't that what Anderson always does when he fights though?

It's unusual because fighters usually try to defend themselves from strikes during a fight. Clowning lets one's defense down and makes one more susceptible to getting hit. While clowning may have some effect of psyching an opponent out and thus messing up his offense, it's still an inherently dangerous game to put one's hands down instead of defending from strikes. Playing around with hands down is an inherently dangerous game - it doesn't matter if it worked in the past for Anderson, it's still inherently dangerous. It's like a sprinter who has always beat his opponents because he purposefully lagged in the beginning to get in the other racer's head, then he catches up and sprints by him to win the race because the other racer was thrown off. Only this time, the sprinter lagged too long and lost the race because he couldn't catch up. It doesn't matter that such a tactic may have worked in the past - if the object of a race is to cross the finish line before your opponent, lagging intentionally at the beginning (even if the purpose is to psych out the opponent) is inherently dangerous. Like the runner in that analogy, Anderson played an inherently dangerous game by keeping his hands down - one that fundamentally would make him more susceptible to losing (getting hurt and finished by strikes) - and lost because of it. Weidman's victory was legitimate, but Anderson in his stupidity offered it to him on a silver platter, and Anderson is partly to blame for his embarrassing defeat.

Weidman's 2 victories over Anderson are both legitimate - but they are both undeniably unusual. If Anderson came out focused, razor-sharp, and technical, and still got TKO'd by Weidman, wouldn't Weidman's victory have been even more impressive or at least clear-cut? To the extent that that is so, Weidman's current victories over Anderson are unusual.

Also, Weidman's wins are literally unusual in the sense that very, very few fights end by knocking out someone who was clowning with his hands down. Statistically, they are not normal, but rather very unusual. If you can't at least admit that, you're not being logical.

 

[vigneshm1995]

I have to agree with you here. Anderson looked pretty decent. I was surprised at how big he looked too despite not even weighing 200 lbs.

I remember commenting that I think had he had a full camp he would likely have beaten DC. He certainly rocked DC on the feet.

True
That body kick really hurt DC

 

[TheComebackKid]

I would much rather see someone attempt something themselves to get them out of the situation they've been place in then sit back and wait for the round to end. Even if that means you may end up getting knocked out for your troubles.

You are never going to win a fight being purely defensive. Anderson has an L on his record just like the other people you mentioned.

Ok, but thats a different conversation tho right? I am talking strictly about his ability to defend himself from that position. But it's not like he doesn't submit people from that position. And he also punishes people from his back more than almost anyone. That is why Weidman will go back to his corner at the end of round 1 bleeding from cuts or Chael will look worse than Anderson after a 10-8 round.

 

[Taric]

Ok, but thats a different conversation tho right? I am talking strictly about his ability to defend himself from that position. But it's not like he doesn't submit people from that position. And he also punishes people from his back more than almost anyone. That is why Weidman will go back to his corner at the end of round 1 bleeding from cuts or Chael will look worse than Anderson after a 10-8 round.

It's the same conversation in that the thing you're praising for him for something that is bad. You're praising him for something that is literally losing him the fight. Cool, Anderson slashed a single elbow against Weidman's face. He nearly got knocked out while he was down there... Because he's purposely allowed himself to stay in a terrible position.

 

[Zerkalo.]

Anderson with a training camp beats Cormier, who lost most of his fans last night for stalling out a decision. The way Cormier gassed, I bet Anderson regretted not opting for a 5 round fight.

Lmao. Cormier is probably the worst matchup style-wise for Silva. Cormier was meh the whole fight. Sonnen murked prime silva for 4.5 rounds, imagine what Cormier would do when camp focused on an opponent like Silva.

 

[TheComebackKid]

It's the same conversation in that the thing you're praising for him for something that is bad. You're praising him for something that is literally losing him the fight.

I would say the bad part is being taken to the ground. But once there, by someone like Weidman or DC, then this is the proper response.

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This is the improper response:

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Anderson has the technical ability to keep himself out of these situations on his back. This allows him to survive when he can't attack from his back or get back to his feet. That is also why despite the years of people claiming Chael laid out the blueprint it took a LHW Champion to finally beat Anderson with smothering wrestling and top game at the ripe old age of 41.

 

[240p]

at least he didnt get tossed around like hendo, good for him. his defensive ground game is top notch, how in the world did he not finish bisping when he had the chance? boggles my mind