Pound for pound weakest fighter in the ufc?

[SupremeGuy]

Probably either of the Diaz Brothers, tbh.

 

[RightToBareKnuckles]

to me he seems strong

just realized he looks like deceased actor Anton Yelchin

 

[rear naked ankle pick]

Izzy

 

[Titan1980]

I think Condits problem is that he is very good off his back. Granted he isn't a D Maia but for guys like him getting taken down isn't the end of the world (this was definitely more true while he was in his prime, compared to the last stages of his career). Same with Mousasi, who can get taken down but is just as slick off his back. Look at the King Mo fight and Moose was fucking king mo up off his back the whole fight, and KO'd Jacare off his back as well. Then you got guys like Werdum and Maia who will practically lay on their back begging their opponent to come jump on top of them. So when you are very confident in your ground game, these fighters probably won't put 100% effort in stopping the take down when you know you can still do good things off your back.

Exactly. They have experience in those positions and arent scared to go there and they have the experience to know not to burn themselves out. Im sure you throw any of those guys in strength excersises and theyd all do great relative to their size. They arent what id call "weak".

 

[wwkirk]

Izzy

How could that be with 15 KO/TKOs in MMA? 3/4 of his fights?

 

[Kenny Powerth]

One thing no matter how old it gets I still laugh at is Erick Silva being young jokes.

Totally agree my man!

 

[arcadeperfect]

this. Hes broken his legs 2 times in 2 years b/c of how brittle he is. He only looks good standing from range. Any time he clinches or wrestles/gurapples he looks awkward and gets overpowered quite a bit

 

[muaytao]

Some of the fly weight guys look weak af

 

[Koro_11]

Poor choice,, Cifers has got that farm girl strength.

Anyway I thought virtually everyone was agreed that men and women don't belong in the same pound for pound lists - positive or negative.

I don’t know about her strength, but whenever I think of a fighter that has no business in the UFC, she’s usually the first that comes to mind.

But yeah I would do away with WMMA all together, and I would start with Cifers, like wtf is she getting paid to fight for?

 

[SlomiGa]

Ever? Probably Emmanuel Yaborough. If you divide strength by the obscene weight he was carrying.

 

[NurmaGOATedov]

Wmma

 

[sampuncher]

One of the vegan ones.

 

[surgeyou1]

Pettis and Condit have to be up there considering how skilled they were. Always got ragdolled.

 

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Pound-for-pound, heavyweights are on average the weakest fighters amongst the male fighters due to physics alone.

Not only have fighters generally a higher muscle and lower fat percentage the further you go down in weight, but also - and this is arguably even more important - strength is determined by the cross sectional area of the muscles, which is measured in square, making it a 2-dimensional measurement, whereas weight is determined by volume, which - you guessed it - is a 3-dimensional measurement.

The 3D measurement (volume => weight) will increase and decrease to the power of three, whereas the 2D measurement (muscle cross section area => strength) will increase and decrease to the power of two.
This means, that if we scale a fighter down, his weight (think: volume) will decrease faster than his strength (think: cross section area of the muscles), making him stronger in relation to his bodyweight in the process, whereas if we scale a fighter up in size, his weight will increase faster than his strength, making him weaker in relation to his bodyweight.

Spoiler: Example with two cubes

Cube a)
length/width/height: 1m/1m/1m (or 1 m³)
bottom area: 1m/1m (or 1m²)
weight: 1t
weight loading (t) per m²: 1.0

Cube b)
length/width/height: 2m/2m/2m (or 8 m³)
bottom area: 2m/2m (or 4m²)
weight: 8t
weight loading (t) per m²: 2.0

=> In conclusion, the bigger cube is 8 times as heavy, but only has four times the surface (and) bottom area, making for twice the amount of stress

(What i'm talking about is called the square cube law and it's the reason why ants are "strong", elephants are incredibly "weak", small cats can survive falling from absurd heights and why warm blooded babies have round proportions compared to cold blooded babies and many more things.)

 

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@SlomiGa (you're spot on btw)

Pound-for-pound, heavyweights are on average the weakest fighters amongst the male fighters due to physics alone.

Not only have fighters generally a higher muscle and lower fat percentage the further you go down in weight, but also - and this is arguably even more important - strength is determined by the cross sectional area of the muscles, which is measured in square, making it a 2-dimensional measurement, whereas weight is determined by volume, which - you guessed it - is a 3-dimensional measurement.

The 3D measurement (volume => weight) will increase and decrease to the power of three, whereas the 2D measurement (muscle cross section area => strength) will increase and decrease to the power of two.
This means, that if we scale a fighter down, his weight (think: volume) will decrease faster than his strength (think: cross section area of the muscles), making him stronger in relation to his bodyweight in the process, whereas if we scale a fighter up in size, his weight will increase faster than his strength, making him weaker in relation to his bodyweight.

Spoiler: Example with two cubes

Cube a)
length/width/height: 1m/1m/1m (or 1 m³)
bottom area: 1m/1m (or 1m²)
weight: 1t
weight loading (t) per m²: 1.0

Cube b)
length/width/height: 2m/2m/2m (or 8 m³)
bottom area: 2m/2m (or 4m²)
weight: 8t
weight loading (t) per m²: 2.0

=> In conclusion, the bigger cube is 8 times as heavy, but only has four times the surface (and) bottom area, making for twice the amount of stress

(What i'm talking about is called the square cube law and it's the reason why ants are "strong", elephants are incredibly "weak", small cats can survive falling from absurd heights and why warm blooded babies have round proportions compared to cold blooded babies and many more things.)

Does Struve being about ten feet tall make any difference?

 

[Iron Nick]

One of the vegan ones.

There's a vegan strongman who's pretty damn good and if we're talking about strength in relation to size (he's far smaller than guys like Hafthor, Hall, Shaw, etc.) he's up there with them.

 

[Iron Nick]

Does Struve being about ten feet tall make any difference?

Well, since he's both big AND very long, he should be very weak pound for pound.
I mean, not only is he of incredible volume, but due to being long, the cross sectional area of his muscles is pretty small too.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Well, since he's both big AND very long, he should be very weak pound for pound.
I mean, not only is he of incredible volume, but due to being long, the cross sectional area of his muscles is pretty small too.

Wait, this doesn't mean the average Sherdogger is weak pound for pound right?

 

[Iron Nick]

Wait, this doesn't mean the average Sherdogger is weak pound for pound right?

Of course not!

Not only do sherdoggers only exist in sizes that are considered gargantuan for mere mortals (thus making any discussion about smaller sherdoggers being stronger pound-for-pound obsolete) but we're also built different - our contractile tissue is naturally about three times as strong as that of a regular male homo sapiens, enabling sherdoggers at the age of 10 years to bench teh 275.

 

[Anaconda99]

Joe Lauzon wasnt strong but he had great subs.