POTWR 2019 Vol 11: Can We All Test For Ourselves That The Earth Is Round?

[Cubo de Sangre]

I get it. I was there just a few months ago. But, we have to be real. Science daily is clearly not a reputable site for anything after presenting that video as showing curvature. I'm calling them out as buffoons because they clearly should have known better.

Here is balloon footage even higher at 121,000 KM or almost 23 miles:

From the comments on your video.

You realize this shows a 360 degree, round section of the Earth. Proof you are looking at the horizon on a sphere!

1) If the Earth is 8000 miles in diameter and you are 255 miles up in the ISS or only 20 miles up in a helium balloon, it would be what? - less than 1 degree or a fraction of a degree! You do the math. We can hardly see the difference from our vantage point. * Everything looks flat because you are seeing a circle almost edge on!

2) I ask you, why is it we always see a circular horizon, 360 degrees around us from a balloon, the ISS, an high altitude plane or a tall building? When you are on the ocean, why is it that you see a circle of horizon about 3 miles in radius? Because you are seeing the edge of a large sphere! Why don't you see mountains farther away on one side? Maybe the ice wall on the other? Because the horizon limits our view!

3) Why when you look at pictures from space, don't you see all the continents at once, no matter how high you are? Because at best you can only see one side of the Earth at a time! http://www.n2yo.com/space-station/

4) You always see a circle of Earth from high up or near Earth orbit and you never see more than a small patch of a continent! Where are the bright ice caps? The high mountains? there is no air high up to cloud our view, so how come we can't see any of it?

Because it is obscured by the curve of the Earth!

But why antenna is curved?

Yep, looks like he put a fish eye lends on to counter the curvature. On top of that the field of view isn't wide enough. You don't even need to know much about photography. It's there and everyone can see it. Pretty easy scam to detect.

youtu.be/gO_dExpSiW8?t=366 they dont show the full video. this is right as the balloon pops and it starts to fall back to earth. if you look on youtube for christopher farms youll see his videos. On the way up you see the curve and after the balloon pops and it starts to fall back down you see it again.

 

[abiG]

RE: The horizon
The horizon line in a perspective drawing is a horizontal line drawn across the picture...

It is always at eye level...

Horizon lines are always straight across the horizontal span of a scene...
https://www.liveabout.com/what-is-the-horizon-line-1123057

 

[MikeMcMann]

There is no debate on this topic. Just fact and nonsense.

Each and every day the experiment is done and proven. Flights will leave points heading in opposite directions and yet end up at the same end point. Example departing New York for Asia via a westerly route over Hawaii versus departing New York for Asia on an easterly route via Dubai.

it is not possible for this to be done on a flat planet without one of the planes doubling back on its route or purposely wasting time and fuel to keep up the CT.

This example always /threads this discussion as the CTer resorts to nonsense as they cannot refute that on a flat earth it would be impossible to depart from a mutual point and fly in opposite directions and yet end up the same point eventually.

These never meet again on a flat earth

And yet plane loads of people flying in those opposite directions do meet up at the same end point all the time on this planet.

 

[abiG]

There is no debate on this topic. Just fact and nonsense.

Each and every day the experiment is done and proven. Flights will leave points heading in opposite directions and yet end up at the same end point. Example departing New York for Asia via a westerly route over Hawaii versus departing New York for Asia on an easterly route via Dubai.

it is not possible for this to be done on a flat planet without one of the planes doubling back on its route or purposely wasting time and fuel to keep up the CT.

This example always /threads this discussion as the CTer resorts to nonsense as they cannot refute that on a flat earth it would be impossible to depart from a mutual point and fly in opposite directions and yet end up the same point eventually.

These never meet again on a flat earth

And yet plane loads of people flying in those opposite directions do meet up at the same end point all the time on this planet.

Interesting, how many threads have you ended like that?

Did anyone ask you which flights you are speaking of or which flights go over the pole? I'm curios here for sure.

Here's a flight from NY to Singapore for example that goes way over the North Pole:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/sq21#20bdbfdf

When you look at on a globe map it seems weird for sure, but on a flat earth map like:

or even here:

It makes perfect sense, no?

So, anyways, be specific, which flights concern you? Please pop them into the flight radar link above and let's have a look, k?

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Interesting, how many threads have you ended like that?

Did anyone ask you which flights you are speaking of or which flights go over the pole? I'm curios here for sure.

Here's a flight from NY to Singapore for example that goes way over the North Pole:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/sq21#20bdbfdf

When you look at on a globe map it seems weird for sure, but on a flat earth map like:

or even here:

It makes perfect sense, no?

So, anyways, be specific, which flights concern you? Please pop them into the flight radar link above and let's have a look, k?

https://creation.com/a-direct-test-of-the-flat-earth-model-flight-times

 

[abiG]

https://creation.com/a-direct-test-of-the-flat-earth-model-flight-times

Problem 1:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights

Put in JNB and SYD like your link shows:

When I search it, I get a message reading "No flights were found matching your search criteria."

What flights do you show?

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Problem 1:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights

Put in JNB and SYD like your link shows:

When I search it, I get a message reading "No flights were found matching your search criteria."

What flights do you show?

From OneTravel. 14hrs and 5mins.

• Departure from Sydney
• Departure Terminal : 1
• Departure Gate : TBD
• Scheduled : June 13 - 10:55 AM

• Arrival at Johannesburg
• Arrival Terminal : A
• Arrival Gate : TBD
• Scheduled : June 13 - 05:00 PM

• Air Miles : 6863

 

[abiG]

From OneTravel. 14hrs and 5mins.

• Departure from Sydney
• Departure Terminal : 1
• Departure Gate : TBD
• Scheduled : June 13 - 10:55 AM

• Arrival at Johannesburg
• Arrival Terminal : A
• Arrival Gate : TBD
• Scheduled : June 13 - 05:00 PM

• Air Miles : 6863

I know it is listed; I'm looking for the flight path.

 

[MikeMcMann]

delete : double

 

[MikeMcMann]

Interesting, how many threads have you ended like that?...

All of them. I do so by staying focused on my question and not been drawn off into nonsense as you try here. I force an answer to my question or, the flat earther to quit and say 'they won't answer because ...me...'

It does not matter specifically where you start. As long as you go in opposite directions (west, east or North, south).

Using your map above

I can leave New York in a westerly direction and get to Japan. But I can also leave New York in an Easterly direction and get to Japan. That is not possible on a flat plane. You cannot fly in two different directions and yet end up at the same point and yet we have planes doing just that every day. Something that is irrefutable.

 

[abiG]

All of them. I do so by staying focused on my question and not been drawn off into nonsense as you try here. I force an answer to my question or, the flat earther to quit and say 'they won't asswer because me...'

It does not matter specifically where you start. As long as you go in opposite directions (west, east or North, south).

Using your map above

I can leave New York in a westerly direction and get to Japan. But I can also leave New York in an Easterly direction and get to Japan. That is not possible on a flat plane. You cannot fly in two different directions and yet end up at the same point and yet we have planes doing just that every day. Something that is irrefutable.

WHAT flights do that?

I need a flight number, please. We then can check the exact flight(s) you speak of.

 

[MikeMcMann]

WHAT flights do that?

I need a flight number, please. We then can check the exact flight(s) you speak of.

Flights I have actually flown on in the past.

- New York, Dubai, Japan
- New York, Hawaii, Japan

You can look them up. There are more than one operator flying those routes. Emirates is the most popular for the first but most major US and Asian airlines fly the second. Knock yourself out.

 

[abiG]

Flights I have actually flown on in the past.

- New York, Dubai, Japan
- New York, Hawaii, Japan

You can look them up. There are more than one operator flying those routes. Emirates is the most popular for the first but most major US and Asian airlines fly the second. Knock yourself out.

I went to Expedia. Not one flight on the entire first page of results connected in either. I was searching Beijing... I'll look at Tokyo, but it would be nice if you had actual flight numbers.

 

[abiG]

Also, what's the problem with connecting flights?

All the first page NY to Tokyo on expedia right now are direct.
1) flight UA79
Flies far north over Canada and Alaska, before diving south:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ua79#20bdfe84

Wait, that makes sense here:

 

[abiG]

Notice the very same thing, way north and then west, with this American flight operated by Japan Airlines:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/jl3#20baf85a


Wait, that makes sense again here:

 

[MikeMcMann]

I went to Expedia. Not one flight on the entire first page of results connected in either. I was searching Beijing... I'll look at Tokyo, but it would be nice if you had actual flight numbers.

Impossible. Simply build your own. New York to Dubai, Dubai to Japan. Done. If you want search Emirates. Do the same the other way. NYC to Hawaii, Hawaii to Japan.

Edit: I am doing connections to show the line of flight. If you go direct you can CLAIM any line of flight including BS.

 

[abiG]

Impossible. Simply build your own. New York to Dubai, Dubai to Japan. Done. If you want search Emirates. Do the same the other way. NYC to Hawaii, Hawaii to Japan.

Unless you want to vacation at the stopover, why bother?

 

[MikeMcMann]

Notice the very same thing, way north and then west, with this American flight operated by Japan Airlines:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/jl3#20baf85a


Wait, that makes sense again here:

Doesn't change that it is flying Westerly and you can build the same flight to the same destination flying easterly.

Impossible on a flat earth.

 

[abiG]

Damn, even this flight that connects in Dallas goes through Alaska, NOT Hawaii!
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/aa175#20bdfccf

Sorry, but go look at the Gleason map above again.

 

[abiG]

Doesn't change that it is flying Westerly and you can build the same flight to the same destination flying easterly.

Impossible on a flat earth.

How is it impossible to fly form NY to Hawaii to Tokyo on a flat earth?

And why do all the direct flights take the shortest path on the Gleason map, but not on a globe?