Poll: Who wins Jake Paul vs Conor MCgregor?

[Paynebringer]

I just had to take a peek.

 

[Do better]

How so? Jake is probably 3 times the size of Conor, stronger and is 2-0 in boxing and conor is 0-1. He also destroyed Nate Robinson in his last match, it wasnt even competitive.

You are trying too hard

 

[FIghtxIQ]

How do you know they've actually competed in amateurs ? I haven't seen him spar anyone who has any decent fundamentals, a bunch of random athletes and some of his friends, everyone he spars look like a complete punching bag. I think you're clutching at straws here.


Yeah he looks impressive, he's certainly a good athlete with big power. No one can deny he has some good abilities...but in the grand scheme of things, there's literally 100's if not 1000's of more talented prospects out there.



Never said he was skilled and you've missed my point. Conor dedicated his life to fighting, he chose prize fighting as his main career path, he slowly climbed the ladder to make it a profitable living. Jake Paul only boxes becaus he's paid millions to do so, if he was really serious about boxing and becoming a legimate prospect, he would test himself against other similarly skilled opposition and not youtube stars & random athlete beginners making their debut. He wants to make money, not claim titles and because of that, he'll never be anything more skilled than a talented celebrity.

He trains with Canelo's and Ryan Garcia's team. If you know boxing at all then you know that is about as legit as you can get with boxing training. Those are some of the best trainers and their camp has a P4P great. He is not training with just random athletes and friends. You are not really paying attention to who and where he is training so it's ok for you to assume that. Actions speak louder than words, he has 2 KOs, and KOs over his sparring partners. Other fighters have zero KOs through their whole career.

I train and fight so I know how to assess skill level from low level to high level. I'm not making baseless assumptions, I can size people up on their skillset easily. I'm not saying he is at an elite level, but he is better than people are assuming. Pure boxing he will give a lot of people problems, even fighters with more experience. He already has a better jab than most of mma and that's from training with legit boxing trainers and being around Canelo and Ryan Garcia.

It doesn't always matter how long someone does something, some people pick things up faster. Wilder picked up boxing late and went to the olympics and became Heavyweight Champion. Ngannou started mma late and is a title challenger. The time spent on something doesn't always equal to you being better than someone with less time in.

This is about pure boxing and not mma. Like I said before Conor fought an exhibition boxing match with an amateur and was tagged a lot in that fight. That guy he fought isn't equal in skill to Jake Paul and doesn't hit as hard, isn't as fast, doesn't have better footwork, and is smaller. In pure boxing he will get tagged.

His power doesn't transfer over well in boxing gloves. He doesn't have a strong power jab or an active jab. His main weapon is a 1 - 2. Dip to the right lead uppercut cross. Lead cross. Step back counter lead left cross/hook. He has no power shots. He doesn't throw hooks, he doesn't have an inside game, or use clinch fighting. That's why Floyd walked him down. He needs range and fights at mid and long range looking for counters. Usually just looking for left cross with feeler jabs at the air to gauge distance. But doesn't use the jab to be active or to prevent fighters from stepping in.

 

[FIghtxIQ]

Wow, I’m not even sure where to start with this.

Mate, I boxed almost 40 bouts in the amateurs as an adult, plenty more as a youth.

I’m 99% confident that I would beat Paul with a months training. The 1% doubt comes from me carrying an Achilles injury. There are amateurs in my local club who would absolutely 100% take him out within a round of they chose to.

Levels exist for a reason. You’re extrapolating the power that Paul demonstrated against two guys who have never boxed into the power Conor has demonstrated against top level, elite level fighters.

Now to be clear, I don’t by into the ‘touch of death’ nonsense. By elite boxing standards, Conor’s power so poor. However, I come back to the concept of levels here, because he absolutely has demonstrated much more power than Paul.

I can see this going the same way as the old Mayweather vs McGregor thing, with enough people convincing themselves the few extra lbs carried by the larger opponent give them a chance. It does not.

You can think that all you want, I've never seen you fight so I can't assess your skill level. I also train and fight so I am not making baseless assumptions. He has shown KO power in his fights and from his training. Lots of fighters never got a KO in training or in their fights. So to dismiss the fact that he has KO multiple people is foolish as a fighter. He has shown he is capable.

There are levels and people forget Paul has legit training. He trains with Canelo and Ryan Garcia and their trainers. If you know boxing you should know who these people are. One is P4P great. I'm not saying Jake Paul is at an elite level, but people are not properly assessing his skillset. Anyone that really knows what they are looking at can see that. He will continue to get better and if you can't see the amount of improvement from his first fight to his most recent fight then that is an analytical issue from the viewer. He is calling out more experienced fighters, so we'll see his real level soon enough.

 

[weaselkenievil]

I had to google Jake Paul, after that, Conor. Who isn’t a good boxer.

 

[JustOnce]

Jake Paul probably would have at least 20 pounds on Conor.

If Jake Paul can have a solid muscle mass of 40 pounds or great weight advantage, I think Jake Pual has a shot.

Conor's obviously much much much better striker, but with boxing gloves, if you bring an amateur boxer that Jake Paul may be, with 40 pounds weight advantage, Jake Paul would have a shot.

 

[FIghtxIQ]

You’re operating on the assumption that both have equal skill sets.

In this hypothetical example, they absolutely don’t. Conor is the smaller guy, but he’s absolutely the puncher, by a massive distance. Mechanics and technique are much more important than a weight advantage.

I think it’s a pretty safe bet that Conor’s main concern here isn’t going to be handling damage.....

Conor's punching mechanics with boxing gloves is slow and not a lot of pop/power. I've seen the punching mechanics of both, Jake Paul's punches are faster and more powerful, and he's stronger in the clinch and inside fighting. Also longer reach and bigger height and size and knows how to throw a fast power jab. He is able to KO people that are physically bigger than anyone Conor has been able to TKO. There is a power difference there. Conor's TKO/KO happens in lighter weight with smaller fighters. His punching power isn't on display in the higher weights in mma and with boxing gloves as the Floyd fight proved.

 

[xhaydenx]

Conor did as well as every one else (basically) against the greatest boxer of all time. Jake Paul beat a guy who never boxed before.

How did Conor do as good as everyone else against Floyd? He got toyed with and eventually finished by a guy who hadn't finished anyone in 6 years.

 

[Slatersan]

How did Conor do as good as everyone else against Floyd? He got toyed with and eventually finished by a guy who hadn't finished anyone in 6 years.

Thats basically what mayweather does to everyone else.

 

[MichaelT]

How so? Jake is probably 3 times the size of Conor, stronger and is 2-0 in boxing and conor is 0-1. He also destroyed Nate Robinson in his last match, it wasnt even competitive.

Nate Robinson is about same size as Conor. Let that sink in... Conor would toy with Jake Paul and finish him at will

 

[TheOneAboveAll3]

You are trying too hard

Not really, I gave up in the beginning of the 2nd page I believe. Jake's power, size and record proves that he can hang. There is no need for me to try to hard, it is very easy to see that he is good at what he does.

 

[Khaiser]

Conor's punching mechanics with boxing gloves is slow and not a lot of pop/power. I've seen the punching mechanics of both, Jake Paul's punches are faster and more powerful, and he's stronger in the clinch and inside fighting. Also longer reach and bigger height and size and knows how to throw a fast power jab. He is able to KO people that are physically bigger than anyone Conor has been able to TKO. There is a power difference there. Conor's TKO/KO happens in lighter weight with smaller fighters. His punching power isn't on display in the higher weights in mma and with boxing gloves as the Floyd fight proved.

Levels.

Levels exist.

Knocking out a basketball player and another guy who has never fought, is not the be equated with Conor being unable to hurt Mayweather.

Mayweather is rarely able to hurt a top level boxer, but had no issue hurting Conor. Why is that. Levels. Again.

Honesty, mma more than any other fanbase has so many people who have absolutely no clue about what they’re watching.

 

[GordoBarraBJJ]

Conor did as well as every one else (basically) against the greatest boxer of all time.

This is why if conor and manny somehow end up fighting it will make them both richer - dumbass fans who don't know better.

conor did nothing well against Floyd.

shit, conor looked like shit in terms of boxing skills against that electrician he charity boxed a few years back - and sucker punched.

Just like conor's size advantage over floyd helped him absorb so would jake's size advantage allow him to absorb shots. In the end conor tko's him late or pulls out a UD by winning the last half of the fight.

 

[TehJesus]

Fucking embarrassing thread.

 

[chiefwiggum]

Isnt Paul fighting at 200 lbs?

And he can fight a bit clearly..blindly picking Conor here is dumb. The guy is so much bigger. What is Conor gonna do?

inthink he was 189. For last week. I have no idea about his other fight. But the weight would be close.

how this is a possibility is absurd. But I would watch it.

 

[cheesus]

He trains with Canelo's and Ryan Garcia's team.

I said he looks like he spars with random athletes and friends, from the footage I've seen I haven't seen anyone who looks like a legitimately skilled boxer, if you could show some footage I'd be appreciated.

Actions speak louder than words, he has 2 KO

He has impressive power for sure, there's no denying that.

This is about pure boxing and not mma. Like I said before Conor fought an exhibition boxing match with an amateur and was tagged a lot in that fight. That guy he fought isn't equal in skill to Jake Paul and doesn't hit as hard, isn't as fast, doesn't have better footwork, and is sm

That fight was a local charity bout for fuck sake, you are delusional if you think Conor was taking it seriously it was a bit of fun and that amateur was marginally better than anyone Jake Paul has ever fought. We've seen extensive footage with Conor sparring and hanging in there with Chris Van Heerden, who was far from a world beater but a legimately ranked opponent with extensive experience and even though it was heavily edited and he was far from his prime, he landed some heavy blows and good combos on Pauline Malignaggi.

His power doesn't transfer over well in boxing gloves. He doesn't have a strong power jab or an active jab. His main weapon is a 1 - 2. Dip to the right lead uppercut cross. Lead cross. Step back counter lead left cross/hook. He has no power shots. He doesn't throw hooks, he doesn't have an inside game, or use clinch fighting. That's why Floyd walked him down. He needs range and fights at mid and long range looking for counters. Usually just looking for left cross with feeler jabs at the air to gauge distance. But doesn't use the jab to be active or to prevent fighters from stepping in.

Fair point, his shot selection is very limited but he's technically much craftier and unorthodox than Paul but I'd argue he's better defensively better than Paul, he's also better with angles, counter punching, gauging distance and timing. Paul has the speed and power advantage. He's also proven he can take a shot, we've never seen Paul in there with anyone close to an equal or drag a real fight out of him. Considering how aggressive Paul likes to fight and his inexperience, Conor at this stage would likely pick him apart once fatigue sits in. I think you're overlooking how valuable ring time actually is.

 

[pick999]

Conor did as well as every one else (basically) against the greatest boxer of all time. Jake Paul beat a guy who never boxed before.

Floyd carried conor.conor was training his hardest eating the best and had the most expensive trainers and still lost to floyd who was rusty and koed conor

 

[Do better]

Not really, I gave up in the beginning of the 2nd page I believe. Jake's power, size and record proves that he can hang. There is no need for me to try to hard, it is very easy to see that he is good at what he does.

At fighting people who aren't fighters! Dillon Danis and Ben Askren likely kick the shit out of your boy in a boxing match

 

[Khaiser]

I do think people struggle with the concept of levels here.

Like, Paul having legit power - why? What’s the evidence? Because he knocked out a basketball player?

And then Conor suddenly not having the power to KO a Youtuber - why? Because he didn’t have the power to hurt a world class boxer?

 

[FIghtxIQ]

I said he looks like he spars with random athletes and friends, from the footage I've seen I haven't seen anyone who looks like a legitimately skilled boxer, if you could show some footage I'd be appreciated.


He has impressive power for sure, there's no denying that.


That fight was a local charity bout for fuck sake, you are delusional if you think Conor was taking it seriously it was a bit of fun and that amateur was marginally better than anyone Jake Paul has ever fought. We've seen extensive footage with Conor sparring and hanging in there with Chris Van Heerden, who was far from a world beater but a legimately ranked opponent with extensive experience and even though it was heavily edited and he was far from his prime, he landed some heavy blows and good combos on Pauline Malignaggi.


Fair point, his shot selection is very limited but he's technically much craftier and unorthodox than Paul but I'd argue he's better defensively better than Paul, he's also better with angles, counter punching, gauging distance and timing. Paul has the speed and power advantage. He's also proven he can take a shot, we've never seen Paul in there with anyone close to an equal or drag a real fight out of him. Considering how aggressive Paul likes to fight and his inexperience, Conor at this stage would likely pick him apart once fatigue sits in. I think you're overlooking how valuable ring time actually is.

I don't know the level of his sparring partner but some of them looked decent but their size was definitely bigger than Conor.

Here is a video with Jake Paul with Canelo's trainer who is trainer of the year in boxing. This was a year ago, so he's had some time training and there are legit boxers that train at that gym besides the obvious Canelo, Ryan Garcia, Oscar Valdez. That's one the top gyms to go to for the absolute best in boxing training and he's been going there for year already.


The fight was for charity but he opened up from the start of the bell with a power punch. He definitely was trying to KO him quick, but the guy ate it. He realized that guy was tougher than he thought and he messed around a bit so it wouldn't look like he was really trying because he couldn't KO him and he was getting tagged. They had the full clip up before and Conor was trying to finish him at first. Jake Paul is better skilled from what I've seen than that guy that Conor boxed in the exhibition fight. He did decent in the Van Heerden spar but it was really light sparring so it's really hard to gauge that. They only went hard for a couple moments here and there for a few rounds and Van Heerden claims he worked Conor if you watch the full sparring and not edited version. Paulie was out the game for awhile when he sparred him and he's not a power puncher and is smaller than Conor. It's not a good comparison to someone with the size, punching power, and boxing style of Jake Paul.

I too want to see Jake Paul tested, but I'm not being bias by the skill set and punching power I've seen from his fights and training. I understand experience matters, but I also understand the other variables matter as well including size, punching power, speed, footwork, and boxing style. Conor has elite mma boxing, but not elite level pure boxing. If he can't finish Jake Paul he will struggle and Cardio will be an issue. His cardio wasn't the best in terms of boxing cardio. He got winded quick once Floyd started walking him down. Boxing cardio, volume, pacing, pressure, timing, etc is different. McGregor would still be the favorite, but I don't think people are giving enough credit to Jake Paul's skill set and is too quick to count him out. He has a couple of ways he could possibly win, it's not an impossible scenario. I don't think Conor would want to risk a loss against Jake Paul so that fight won't happen, most likely it'll be Danis. I can see Jake Paul KO Danis, his boxing technique is behind Jake's level and his punching power is lacking. So that will be a good test for Jake Paul, but I also want to see him fight legit boxers to see where his boxing level is at against professional boxers. Jake Paul has been on the big stage twice already on 2 major fight cards with massive viewership, he handled the bright lights well.