Political Betting Thread

Those tattoos aren't real and it was an office-wide April Fool's joke...

It'd be hilarious if true, but Trump's own spokesperson pushed for the story, which includes herself, and then denied it simultaneously. That's a red flag for my truth barometer. If one of the mistresses is actually legitimate, they really should've pushed it that way instead of exaggerating the story and mixing a bunch of transparent lies in.
 
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Need Bernie bad tonight. Have -120 to win 1.5u and at -200 to win 1u. Also have -350 in a parlay. Have more than 4u risk on him tonight. Also have Ted in parlay.
 
Those tattoos aren't real and it was an office-wide April Fool's joke...

It'd be hilarious if true, but Trump's own spokesperson pushed for the story, which includes herself, and then denied it simultaneously. That's a red flag for my truth barometer. If one of the mistresses is actually legitimate, they really should've pushed it that way instead of exaggerating the story and mixing a bunch of transparent lies in.
Wasn't aware it was office-wide. Pierson pushed for the story?
 
Need Bernie bad tonight. Have -120 to win 1.5u and at -200 to win 1u. Also have -350 in a parlay. Have more than 4u risk on him tonight. Also have Ted in parlay.
I think you are in good shape.
 
I have Bernie Sanders, Cruz and NOrth Carolina over syracuse in a pretty big parlay...

I just need Ted Cruz to close it out.
 
...and for Cruz. Congrats to the guy who had Cruz+Sanders.
 
Logged into BM to see an unexpected, pleasant surprise. They graded my NOT Rubio wins Republican nomination -170 bet. I didn't expect that to happen until someone was nominated
 
My American friends - is Trump for Republican nominee @ -110 a solid bet? Cruz is +200. When will nominees be revealed?
 
My American friends - is Trump for Republican nominee @ -110 a solid bet? Cruz is +200. When will nominees be revealed?

TLDR is

1. The nominees are not officially declared until the Cleveland convention in mid-late July.

2. I cannot determine if there is value on Trump or Cruz at these odds because of reasons outlined below.

3. If I were in your position I would try to freeroll by taking Trump now and NOT Trump in the days after April 26 when Trump will have huge momentum.

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The nominees are not officially declared until the Cleveland convention in mid-late July. If any candidate reaches 1237 pledged delegates before that, you will see Trump's odds shoot to -1000 or worse. That's because, according to the current Republican National Committee(RNC) rules, any candidate with the support of more than half of the 2472 convention delegates at the Cleveland convention wins the nomination. The only caveat is that the RNC could theoretically change its rules before the convention to allow some of those pledged delegates to change their affiliation. In my opinion, this risks destroying the Party permanently, and I view it as unlikely.

Each state or territory has its own process for awarding numbers of delegates. Some states have primaries, some have caucuses. Some states award all state delegates to the person who wins the most primary or caucus votes, while other states have more complicated formulas. The rules for each state are available at www.thegreenpapers.com .

Beyond just choosing numbers of delegates, another bit of complexity comes from the process of choosing the delegates themselves. Remember, delegates are people! In some states, primary voters vote for delegates directly. Maryland and New York are examples of this. I have a friend in NYC who plans to vote for Sanders. On my friend's primary ballot, he has a choice of three or four different delegates, all of whom are pledged to support Sanders on a first ballot. The ballot even notes "(Sanders)" after the delegate's name. But in most states, voters do not choose delegates directly. The delegates are chosen after the primary/caucus at a state/local conventions. It is at these conventions that non-democratic forces can come into play.

If no one reaches the "magic number" of 1237 before Cleveland, and barring a rule change as described above, then the contest will go to a 2nd vote. In this 2nd vote, some of the previously bound delegates can change their votes. It's important to remember that these delegates are people, not just numbers. Many have their own preferences, and some might be "persuadable" with favors. Why can only some of them change their vote after the first ballot? Remember that the delegates come from more than 50 different states and territories, each with its own rules about delegate behavior.

Also, on the Republican side, no matter how a state or territory chooses its delegates, the RNC gets to choose 3 of the delegates. You can bet that most of these delegates will jump ship on Trump as soon as they are allowed to---for some states it will be after the first ballot, for others after the second, etc.

So in the event of a "contested convention" in which no one gets 1237 or more on the first ballot, the behavior of the delegates becomes the main question. By most accounts, Cruz is way ahead of Trump in the battle for the allegiances of these delegates on a second or third ballot.

In my opinion, the most fruitful way to analyze the situation is to begin with an estimate of final pledged delegate count pre-convention. My estimate is that Trump will earn about 1200 delegates pre-convention. Will the delegates deny Trump if he comes so close? For me this is new ground. I used to say no, but I'm not sure anymore in light of some of the things I'm reading.

Another important factor is momentum. I expect Trump to win six of the next six primaries. Included in is New York, a large state with a lot of delegates and with a lot of media focus. Along with such victories will come fawning media coverage and herd mentality. These things can influence the contests in upcoming, more competitive states such as Indiana.
 
Wow thanks for the b/d. Not sure if Euro bookies offer not Trump. But is it out of Cruz and Kasich as i can place individual hedges on them?
 
Wow thanks for the b/d. Not sure if Euro bookies offer not Trump. But is it out of Cruz and Kasich as i can place individual hedges on them?
No problem, it's fun for me.

Your hedge is riskier than it sounds because the Party could choose someone like Paul Ryan who hasn't earned a single delegate yet. Just yesterday Ryan released an ad that many observers thing is intended as a "campaign" ad.
 
No problem, it's fun for me.

Your hedge is riskier than it sounds because the Party could choose someone like Paul Ryan who hasn't earned a single delegate yet. Just yesterday Ryan released an ad that many observers thing is intended as a "campaign" ad.

He is the golden boy of the Republican party right now. I think he is being pressured behind closed doors to be open to stopping Trump and taking the nomination. He's +2000 though. I just don't know if that's enough value to take a stab. If he was +5000 I'd make a play. Honestly (assuming Trump does NOT reach 1237) if Ryan decided to go all in I think he'd steamroll his way to the nomination. But again, 2 big factors:

1. Does Ryan want to play his career this way? He's a family-first guy. Jumping in this late without giving his family prep time goes against most of what I know of his personal beliefs. Not to say he wouldn't do it to "save" the party from Trump, but it has to be considered. In addition, he's young so he may decide to bide his time and run in 4 years or 8 years.

2. Does Trump actually get to 1237? Probably not, but it's certainly possible. Maybe 25% he does as of now?

Ryan's ad (I haven't seen it) is interesting. Given that he might be thinking of jumping in, do you think +2000 has any value? Just him making the decision to enter in would make it an instant freeroll situation as he'd sure drop to +600 to +1000 the instant he declared he was in. I just don't know...
 
He is the golden boy of the Republican party right now. I think he is being pressured behind closed doors to be open to stopping Trump and taking the nomination. He's +2000 though. I just don't know if that's enough value to take a stab. If he was +5000 I'd make a play. Honestly (assuming Trump does NOT reach 1237) if Ryan decided to go all in I think he'd steamroll his way to the nomination. But again, 2 big factors:

1. Does Ryan want to play his career this way? He's a family-first guy. Jumping in this late without giving his family prep time goes against most of what I know of his personal beliefs. Not to say he wouldn't do it to "save" the party from Trump, but it has to be considered. In addition, he's young so he may decide to bide his time and run in 4 years or 8 years.

2. Does Trump actually get to 1237? Probably not, but it's certainly possible. Maybe 25% he does as of now?

Ryan's ad (I haven't seen it) is interesting. Given that he might be thinking of jumping in, do you think +2000 has any value? Just him making the decision to enter in would make it an instant freeroll situation
as he'd sure drop to +600 to +1000 the instant he declared he was in. I just don't know...

1. You be the judge!



2. I think 25% is reasonable.

+2000...depends what you think of 1. Again this is new territory for me as a political observer and I'm not going to make a dumb prediction like some of the "experts" like Nate "Trump has a 5% chance of being the nominee" Silver or Harry "Trump is not a real candidate" Enten.
 
I have a nice parlay that needs Trump and Clinton to win PA to hit. The rest of the legs included Cub>Swanson, Glover>Shad, HendoxChida >1.5 (Cancelled), and Nurmagomedov <2.5. Got Trump and Clinton in there at -3XX, looking good now .. Trump is 12XX and Clinton 7XX.
 
New York loves Donald and loathes Ted. I can't see Kasich placing anywhere but a distant second in this one.
I live in NY. There's no way Kasich should be favored by that much to place 2nd. It's definitely his most likely scenario, but not at that price, imo
 
I live in NY. There's no way Kasich should be favored by that much to place 2nd. It's definitely his most likely scenario, but not at that price, imo

Where in NY are you from? I'm from Brooklyn New York and I can say definitively that NYC hates Ted Cruz, the Post hates him, the NYPD hates him. The Daily News denounced him before endorsing Kasich. He's not even campaigning here anymore. He was ignored during the GOP gala dinner the other night, people mingled and ate during his speech. Protestors wouldn't let him speak in the Bronx. Recent polls seem to show some of Cruz's "support" moving towards Kasich and Trump with Cruz falling to the low teens, and Kasich and Trump moving to the mid 20s and 50s respectively.

I don't know, we'll see what happens, BOL! It should be an exciting day. Where in New York are you located? I'm not going to make it out to the polls until late tomorrow.
 

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