Poatan is THE best UFC striker ever.

[McSpikes]

I enjoy me some Poatan but Prime Anderson clowns him

 

[Rataria]

Okay... i mean whose really going around saying he's not at this point. He had a good run.

Uncle A is going to give him a much needed vacation .

 

[cburm]

Hes

I think when he fought Adesanya @ Glory, Izzy was the better KBer.
But Alex got better and is the only fighter to become a double champ in Glory. He is an all-time top 20 (top 15, maybe) KB. Yes, he is a better KBer than Cro-cop and Overeem (even Ubereem).

I believe his victory in his 1st MMA fight vs Izzy was not fluke-ish, but very calculated.
The punch that wobbled him (badly) in the 1st round was well after the bell. I don't think it was intentional, Izzy loaded prior to the bell rang, but a point deduction would not be crazy at all.
Then there's the well-known "Pronto para matar" (ready to kill) he said before the 5th RD, and the TKO came with 3 minutes left. It was not a Leon-Usman kind of situation, at all.

In his second MMA fight, he got reckless and paid for it. Strategic mistake/great gameplan from Izzy, but he was landing calf kicks at will and had Adesanya already badly hurt a minute or so into RD 2.

Yes, I think if Pereira was a natural not coal-like dehydrated MW, he would beat prime Silva if AS kept it standing.
And P4P, although it's stupid to say things like "if Aldo/Ilia/Wonderboy/Yan/Volk/Sean... grew up or Alex shrank...", I can't see anyone near his level.
Just an example: his calf kicks thrown with the lead leg. Impressive technique that he executes so effortless and carrying crazy power.


*Up to HW, I believe Tom Aspinall -without the need of wrestling/grappling- would destroy him standing by size discrepancy and unreal quickness for his weight.

great but come on he needs a lot more fights.. to be in the same category as Anderson Silva gsp fedor Jon Jones..

The guy got kod. By Izzy who imo is def not a better striker than the spider..

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

not skillwise, the heavier weight classes can never have the best striker. Someone like Petr Yan or Ilia are more skilled

The most technically skilled KB era was K1 heavyweights, so I disagree with that.
It's a long time stereotype "big guys arent as technical as little guys" and in KB I find it blatantly false.

I enjoy me some Poatan but Prime Anderson clowns him

Poatan is a giganightmare matchup for Anderson. Andy has a chance at 185 due to Poatan's chin being depleted, but at 205 he gets the brakes beaten off of him 9/10 times. A stalking kickboxer who's larger than Andy and has possibly the best leg kicks in UFC history is not a good matchup for Anderson.

 

[djacobox372]

At the very least if Pereira stood with Maia as much as Silva did it aint turning out like that

I'd be shocked if Maia didn't sub Alex in the first round.

The only reason Anderson looked bad against Maia is that he refused to give Maia any chance of winning... Alex probably wouldn't do that.. and would likely lose because of it.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Izzy and Alex fought better strikers than Anderson in kickboxing. The general consensus back then was that Anderson is the best striker in MMA but he wouldn't make it in kickboxing. He lacks durability and he loses a lot of his weapons in a kickboxing match. He wouldn't beat guys like Spong. I think Izzy and Alex are one level below Spong. Izzy and Alex aren't great combination fighters.

spong's kickboxing resume is actually kinda dog shit tbh

It's hard to compare. Anderson is an old gen fighter but he was so far ahead of everyone else during his time. The people he fought weren't that good at kickboxing. You have retired fighters like Vitor saying Poatan is like a 3.0 version of himself instead of 2.0. All these "newer" guys came up studying Anderson. Israel knows Anderson's skillset pretty well. That ongbak behind the back kick that Alex does isn't new. Anderson was clowning with stuff like that many years ago.

again, anderson beat trt vitor with one of the best highlight reel KO's we've ever seen lol

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

The most technically skilled KB era was K1 heavyweights, so I disagree with that.
It's a long time stereotype "big guys arent as technical as little guys" and in KB I find it blatantly false.


Poatan is a giganightmare matchup for Anderson. Andy has a chance at 185 due to Poatan's chin being depleted, but at 205 he gets the brakes beaten off of him 9/10 times. A stalking kickboxer who's larger than Andy and has possibly the best leg kicks in UFC history is not a good matchup for Anderson.

you think pereira has the best low kicks in ufc history...

 

[Sean Chowdhury]

The most technically skilled KB era was K1 heavyweights, so I disagree with that.
It's a long time stereotype "big guys arent as technical as little guys" and in KB I find it blatantly false.


Poatan is a giganightmare matchup for Anderson. Andy has a chance at 185 due to Poatan's chin being depleted, but at 205 he gets the brakes beaten off of him 9/10 times. A stalking kickboxer who's larger than Andy and has possibly the best leg kicks in UFC history is not a good matchup for Anderson.

going off of eyetest I just can't see Alex being superior to someone like Petr Yan or Ilia, those guys have such good combinations and pretty much every punch they throw is perfect form, Alex has good striking of course but he can throw looping shots and be countered like he was multiple times against izzy and his wide guard leaves openings defensively. Pereira's defense of long guarding and framing is not possible in lower weight classes

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

you think pereira has the best low kicks in ufc history...

Perhaps the village you come from doesn't have the word "probably" in their lexicon.

Yes, he has some of the most efficient leg kicks we've ever seen in the UFC, do you disagree?

Pereira's defense of long guarding and framing is not possible in lower weight classes

Because they are midgets. Different techniques and styles for different body types doesn't make one superior over the other.

 

[Sean Chowdhury]

Perhaps the village you come from doesn't have the word "probably" in their lexicon.

Yes, he has some of the most efficient leg kicks we've ever seen in the UFC, do you disagree?


Because they are midgets. Different techniques and styles for different body types doesn't make one superior over the other.

but even the non midgets for the lower weight classes like Omalley or Sandhagen cannot use framing or a long guard since they are fighting higher level strikers than alex. Omalley and Sandhagen have to use complicated footwork and lateral movement to be defensively safe, they almost never use alex's style of defense which is effective because he is fighting guys like Jiri and Hill who are sloppy brawlers for the most part

 

[jeff7b9]

Never ceases to amaze me how elite knockout artists never get credit for their ACCURACY, timing, technique, setups, feints, chin/durability, or even cardio and distance management.

Like beautiful knockouts just magically fall out of the sky & there is no skill involved just because a guy has "power".

 

[NoSmilez]

spong's kickboxing resume is actually kinda dog shit tbh

again, anderson beat trt vitor with one of the best highlight reel KO's we've ever seen lol

Be honest with yourself.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

I enjoy me some Poatan but Prime Anderson clowns him

Clowns, really? Would be a banger that's the only prediction i'd make

 

[HI SCOTT NEWMAN]

Its so hard to say who is the greatest ever, there has been a lot of great strikers in UFC, Alex is certainly up there though, he is so powerful and accurate.

I always loved Aldo, his striking is beautiful, those of us that were lucky enough to see his entire WEC run and then his UFC run were blessed. Aldo was so slick and accurate and some of his combos were amazing, his reflexes are lightning quick, I'm used to Cat reflexes because I always had many Cats in the home and Aldo has those cat type of super fast reflexes. Thats also one of the main reasons its so hard to take him down, his hips are lighting fast and his reflexes.

Obviously his hands are so crisp and accurate, but his leg kicks are devastating, sadly when he came to UFC he stopped throwing them for the most part, but his WEC run was scary! his leg kicks were brutal

 

[GordoBarraBJJ]

LOL at people who don't know what they're seeing. You don't fight Vakhitov to a stand still twice without having super high level skills.

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

but even the non midgets for the lower weight classes like Omalley or Sandhagen cannot use framing or a long guard since they are fighting higher level strikers than alex. Omalley and Sandhagen have to use complicated footwork and lateral movement to be defensively safe, they almost never use alex's style of defense which is effective because he is fighting guys like Jiri and Hill who are sloppy brawlers for the most part

They are not fighting higher level strikers than Alex fought in GLORY, my friend, where he used the same style and also became a two weight world champion. Sean and Sandhagen, both fighters I like, have never fought a fighter their size with the striking skills of a Vakhitov, Wilnis, or Izzy for that matter. If they had, they'd be thoroughly embarrassed. Neither of them would choose to stand and bang with Nasukawa (the only lighter weight Poatan comparison i can think of) if he were signed to the UFC (come on uncle Dana you pink fuck get on it), they'd shoot for a TD as quickly as their ligaments would allow them because they aren't anywhere near him when it comes to striking.

They cannot use their reach as efficiently because they simply aren't as good/God gifted strikers. They don't have a one touch of death which can't be trained, they don't have the same respect from opponents that Poatan gets.

It really is apples and oranges and a true "there's levels to this" type of discussion when it comes to Poatan's striking technique vs literally anyone else in the UFC.

 

[BabyBlue_Bomber]

yea but he could rarely showcase those skills in MMA. dude got destroyed.

Yes, but in terms of the best kickboxer to ever lace up a pair of UFC gloves, I would put personally put Schilt at the top of the list…

He was just far from being a top mixed martial artist…

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

Yes, but in terms of the best kickboxer to ever lace up a pair of UFC gloves, I would put personally put Schilt at the top of the list…

He was just far from being a top mixed martial artist…

When it comes to UFC history, Schilt is the answer for "best pure striker" as he's the most decorated pure striker to step into the octagon, earning his accolades at the time when I think KB had the deepest talent pool at HW we'll ever see. Dutch style nevah die

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Perhaps the village you come from doesn't have the word "probably" in their lexicon.

Yes, he has some of the most efficient leg kicks we've ever seen in the UFC, do you disagree?

so did johny hendricks and matt hughes. that's not what makes someone a great low kicker. a great low kicker ends fights with their kicks or at least comes close. i'm not taking an issue with you saying he has great low kicks, he does. but "probably the best ever" is retarded.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Be honest with yourself.

about what? spong having a mid kickboxing resume? or about anderson one-shotting a mythical fighter in the first round?