Poatan is not big enough for 205.

markys00 said:
Lol tf is this irrational thought?

That tissue is what gives power. It doesn't come from bones
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It isn't irrational, you just have no idea what you're talking about. Please refer to basic physics calculations re: power, force, speed, mass, velocity, etc.

The guy below squats 500 lbs and deadlifts 600 lbs at about 180-185 lbs body weight. He's 5'10". Do you think he kicks harder than Leon Edwards? Jon Jones? Anderson Silva? He has more leg tissue than them even though his legs are still DYEL status. I'll wait.



Hint: what does adding mass to your legs do to the speed of your kicks? Why is neuromuscular adaptation important? Why can guys like Leon Edwards, same weight but way smaller legs, kick ten times as hard as someone who easily more than doubles their squat and deadlift numbers?

Why doesn't every MMA fighter just workout until they look like Palhares or Mirko?

next time you decide to be condescending and irrational at least come with some insight or actual knowledge on the subject.
 
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Leon Edwards said:
Potan is tall and lean but he does not have a massive frame and he is not thick. He has skinny legs.

He will be out muscled by guys at 205.
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Someone tell Jon Jones that he'll get outmuscled in MMA because he has skinny legs. Apparently he never got the memo.
 
dude is built like a MW version of bigfoot silva
bf was a Super heavyweight
 
Steve Fox said:
That was his weight on fight day. Dude hydrates like a sponge. Like, the title of the thread you pointed to literally says "Cage Weight" but even that I think Poatan himself said it was around 219 LBs.

..but to answer your question, the walk around weight comes from Poatan himself. It was in his Instagram Stories a few months prior to the Izzy fight.

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226 LBs in this one which is equivalent to 102.5 KG.

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232 LBs in this one which is equivalent to 105.6 KG.
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So? He is obviously not in fighting shape at 232.

BJ Pen used to go over 200lbs. Does it mean he would not be undersized by WWs or MWs? Same for Joe Stevensom and countless other examples.
 
pankrat said:
So? He is obviously not in fighting shape at 232.

BJ Pen used to go over 200lbs. Does it mean he would not be undersized by WWs or MWs? Same for Joe Stevensom and countless other examples.
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You do know he competed at LHW in KB and his cage weight is around 211lb?

You are forgiven though.
 
Steve Fox said:
You do know he competed at LHW in KB and his cage weight is around 211lb?

You are forgiven though.
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Yes I do.
I was adressing the walk around argument, which, as I refflected with several examples, can be very deceiving
 
pankrat said:
Yes I do.
I was adressing the walk around argument, which, as I refflected with several examples, can be very deceiving
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I get you, sure but for Poatan it is his reality. He is huge and can fight in two divisions as he did in the past and still be big.

Did you see the photos of him next to Johnny Walker for example? Ridiculous the size of the guy.
 
Yeah skinny legs is the worst, just look at LHW Jones, he found no success even though he was tall, had skinny lags and the upper body like a HW. Skinny legs is a great advantage unless you are a wrestler, the taller and stronger you can be compared to your opponent the better, and having relatively less mass in your lower body is an advantage. Poatan's frame is good for LHW, but I don't think it's his size or frame that will be the reason for his upcoming failures at LHW.
 
Steve Fox said:
I get you, sure but for Poatan it is his reality. He is huge and can fight in two divisions as he did in the past and still be big.

Did you see the photos of him next to Johnny Walker for example? Ridiculous the size of the guy.
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I dont draw conclussions about size based on pics, mate. First of all, because we live in 3 dimensions, not 2.

A guy who, well in his 30s, succesfully drops to 185lbs and still performs for 5 rounds under USADA, is not big at LHW. Period. A big LHW would not be able to do that, simple as that. It's physics. Not sherbro eye tests over a pic.

Said that, he was indeed one of the biggest weight cutters at MW and won't be particularly undersized at LHW but no, not a big LHW. A trully big LHW could be able to outmuscle him and in no way, shape or form, would be able to drop another 20lbs.
 
pankrat said:
I dont draw conclussions about size based on pics, mate. First of all, because we live in 3 dimensions, not 2.

A guy who, well in his 30s, succesfully drops to 185lbs and still performs for 5 rounds under USADA, is not big at LHW. Period. A big LHW would not be able to do that, simple as that. It's physics. Not sherbro eye tests over a pic.

Said that, he was indeed one of the biggest weight cutters at MW and won't be particularly undersized at LHW but no, not a big LHW. A trully big LHW could be able to outmuscle him and in no way, shape or form, would be able to drop another 20lbs.
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Why are you discussing what is factual and known about Poatan, "mate"? There are registries of his weight, both in and out of the cage, on Kickbox and MMA. Pereira is big enough for 205. Do your thing though buddy.
 
Eat My Teep said:
??? Skinny legs is a very big advantage. If I want to weigh a lot for my weight class (like 225-230 for weighing in at 205) I want explosive power and speed from my lower body, not tons of tissue to slow me down and have huge oxygen demand. Legs become an albatross when you aren't sprinting or have to fight for 25 minutes.
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There's also advantages with big legs. Everything is as give and take. Many top fighters have thick legs. Many have skinny.
 
Steve Fox said:
Why are you discussing what is factual and known about Poatan, "mate"? There are registries of his weight, both in and out of the cage, on Kickbox and MMA. Pereira is big enough for 205. Do your thing though buddy.
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I already adressed how irrelevant it is the alleged "out of the cage" weight. It seems is hard for you to grasp. Ánimo.

Regarding his in-cage weight which is what matters, it's reported at 211lbs. That's very light by modern LHW standards, when some get over 230lbs IN fighting shape, in the cage, not in walk around weight or gym pics, a big difference that you seem too slow to grasp. Yeah not extremely undersized but definitely not big at LHW, which is why he was able to succesfully and consitently compete at 185lbs being well into his 30s. Period. Educate yourself and learn what a fact is.
 
Styles make fights. He'd do well against at least 6 out of the top 10 at LHW. Lotta guys like to stand and bang and their grappling is suspect. Against the stand and bang guys, I think he has plenty of power to contend. Against the grapplers? That has yet to be determined.
 
pankrat said:
I already adressed how irrelevant it is the alleged "out of the cage" weight. It seems is hard for you to grasp. Ánimo.

Regarding his in-cage weight which is what matters, it's reported at 211lbs. That's very light by modern LHW standards, when some get over 230lbs IN fighting shape, in the cage, not in walk around weight or gym pics, a big difference that you seem too slow to grasp. Yeah not extremely undersized but definitely not big at LHW, which is why he was able to succesfully and consitently compete at 185lbs being well into his 30s. Period. Educate yourself and learn what a fact is.
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Dude, he was 211lbs on fight night fighting at MW not LHW. At 205, he is obviously going to be heavier than that.

In Glory, he was cutting weight to make 210lbs.

His walkaround weight is definitely much more relevant to this discussion than his fight night weight at a DIFFERENT weight class lol
 
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MMABr said:
Dude, he was 211lbs on fight night fighting at MW not LHW At 205, he is obviously going to be heavier than that.

In Glory, he was cutting weight to make 210lbs.

His walkaround weight is definitely much more relevant to this discussion than his fight night weight at a DIFFERENT weight class lol
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Rich Franklin used to weight 207 as a MW and 211 as a LHW in the cage. Not that much of a difference.

Walking around, he could be 225 or 230 or whatever depending on how much fat, or bulk, or out of shape a guy gets in between fights. No, not that relevant.

I never said Pereira is a small LHW, since he was already one of the biggest weight cutters at MW
But he wont be big at LHW neither, as some folks are saying based on an alleged walkaround weight which as I said is not that relevant.

Some LHWs can walk around at +240lbs if you want to go by walk around weight
 
corrupted said:
With Ace it wasn’t a size issue at 185, it was an Anderson Silva issue. He was never gonna win the belt and was way to small and lacking in power to make 205 a serious title possibility
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At 205 would be a Machida issue, a Belfort issue, or a Henderson issue, who all of them did beat him btw and not because of size or power.
Franklin was very good for his era, simply no the best at either weightclass
 
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