NBA Playoffs thread - Scientists unite

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Croaker said:
Shaq moved like a fucking sloth. If you think Luka made Rudy Gobert look retarded Shaq would literally die of embarrassment. When he was younger he was able to move, but by the time he was on the Lakes? He would be too slow and he would get his shit rocked on the defensive end. His defense was defending post ups and a rim protector (Which he was elite at). He couldn't survive in todays game. In his era though? Monstrous.
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Rudy Golbert also gets cooked by perimeter players but he's still DPOY multiple times in this era.

Croaker said:
Physicality still exists in todays game. Physicality of the past is a myth. Shaq would get baskets in any era.

Shaq also came into the league during expansion era and played much lesser talents/strategy. He was more dominant though as a result.
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Shaq would dominate in literally any era.
 
Hog-train said:
Rudy Golbert also gets cooked by perimeter players but he's still DPOY multiple times in this era.



Shaq would dominate in literally any era.
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Rudy is DPOY because hes a good rim protector and great at help defense. Shaq would get exposed worse than Gobert

Shaq wouldnt dominate on both ends, not possible for his fatass.

I'm not gonna play make believe where Shaq stays in shape and learns how to play defense instead of sitting down in the post trying not to foul guys and only contesting at the basket.
 
'Rocky' said:
Mavs would have like 45 wins and probably aren't even in the lottery is what I mean.
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Mavs might still be playing right now if they didn't trade Luka, and Kyrie probably wouldn't have F'ed his knee up because he wouldn't have been playing 40 minutes a night carrying all the load. Nico is a gdamn Bond Villain.
 
MusterX said:
Mavs might still be playing right now if they didn't trade Luka, and Kyrie probably wouldn't have F'ed his knee up because he wouldn't have been playing 40 minutes a night carrying all the load. Nico is a gdamn Bond Villain.
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This whole thing reads like it was orchestrated by the NBA. The odds of a star player getting traded from a team, and then that team winning the draft lottery the following year with a less than 2% chance of it occurring is not only immeasurably rare, but it has happened multiple times. It's statistically impossible for it to happen without some sort of interference. The lottery drawing itself was also not done in front of a crowd and was not aired live.

I'm convinced major shit like this goes down behind closed doors that the public is completely unaware of. Nico sitting next to Jason Kidd right after the trade looking like they just experienced 9/11 trying to pretend like it was their decision, fumbling all over their words in the news conference. This goes beyond your garden variety incompetence.

"Nico. How did this trade happen"?
"Umm.. yeah man, me and Pelinka just had a coffee and I was just like hey... like... would you ever... you know"?

Lmao.
 
koquerelle said:
I don't understand why some sherbros try to downplay how badass he was.
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They're too concerned with defending their favorite eras to think objectively.

Some players of today have skills that translate terribly to other eras. Same for players of other eras translating to today's game. The true greats can adapt to any era and dominate. Nothing is stopping Shaq in any era.
 
Sweater of AV said:
They're too concerned with defending their favorite eras to think objectively.

Some players of today have skills that translate terribly to other eras. Same for players of other eras translating to today's game. The true greats can adapt to any era and dominate. Nothing is stopping Shaq in any era.
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I see the same thing in hockey and MMA. "The sport has evolved too much for these guys."

Couture and Belfort were relevant when they were old. Demian Maia, an unidimensional fighter, was relevant when he was old.

Jaromír Jágr had 27 goals and 66 points at 43. Chelios played in mid-forties.

Most elite players would be elite in any era.

VanVleet earns more than $40M/year. He shoots below 38% and is an important part of one of the best NBA teams. The Celtics just shot for 36% in a crucial game. I could go on.
 
koquerelle said:
I see the same thing in hockey and MMA. "The sport has evolved too much for these guys."

Couture and Belfort were relevant when they were old. Demian Maia, an unidimensional fighter, was relevant when he was old.

Jaromír Jágr had 27 goals and 66 points at 43. Chelios played in mid-forties.

Most elite players would be elite in any era.

VanVleet earns more than $40M/year. He shoots below 38% and is an important part of one of the best NBA teams. The Celtics just shot for 36% in a crucial game. I could go on.
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The difference being MMA hasn't changed in 20 years and the NBA has changed drastically in the last 5. From like 2014-2020 the league changed drastically from 2009-13/14 etc.

You can play make believe athletes playing an entirely different game would be just as good but that's just not the case. The players today in basketball, football, etc are all better athletes and took everything they had in the past to work and became even better.

Combat sports generally don't have those gaps of growth. Plus now that MMA is saturated you get all those regional shitters now fighting on main cards. Nobody with a brain thinks some fight night guy is going to have an easy time with a prime Thiago Alvez. The HW and LHW divisions have been declining since like 2010 and its noticeable in skills and competition.

Most guys who have good size aren't gonna be MMA fighters, its a poverty sport. The money sucks dick, which is why you won't see growth the same way either. MMA isn't a way to better your life for 95% of fighters. Just get a job at Costco and you're better off than being a contender in the UFC.
 
koquerelle said:
I see the same thing in hockey and MMA. "The sport has evolved too much for these guys."

Couture and Belfort were relevant when they were old. Demian Maia, an unidimensional fighter, was relevant when he was old.

Jaromír Jágr had 27 goals and 66 points at 43. Chelios played in mid-forties.

Most elite players would be elite in any era.

VanVleet earns more than $40M/year. He shoots below 38% and is an important part of one of the best NBA teams. The Celtics just shot for 36% in a crucial game. I could go on.
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Yeah we literally see guys play across multiple eras with different rule sets, contexts etc in every sport and adapt just fine. Lemieux played from the high scoring 80s all the way through the dead puck era and was a monster regardless of what was put in front of him while he had cancer, injuries etc.

For some reason people want to believe the current era is some unicorn that's the ultimate form of the sport. It's been a decade since the Warriors "revolutionized" the game and we still have the Celtics, Timberwolves setting records for horrific three-point shooting. Guys from the 90s still hold all-time records for 3P% and there were seasons with higher overall 3P% than today.

Usain Bolt set his world records ~16 years ago now. Generations have come and gone and no one has sniffed them. I'm sure if you left it to people's "eye tests" and recency bias, they'd blindly think Noah Lyles is some crazy sprinter the world has never seen before.

Great athletes and players are always great and will adapt to whatever situation they're put in.
 
Sweater of AV said:
They're too concerned with defending their favorite eras to think objectively.

Some players of today have skills that translate terribly to other eras. Same for players of other eras translating to today's game. The true greats can adapt to any era and dominate. Nothing is stopping Shaq in any era.
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My favorite era has come and gone, I loved the NBA from 2005-2015. Snaq is an all timer and I've got him in my top 10, and my top 10 has MJ as #1. You just come in here and say he'd average 45-20 while being a dpoy and throw on your clown wig and start honking for attention though when we know Shaq was a mental midget with poor conditioning, bad FTing, and would be abused on the perimeter.

I think Shaq would be competing for MVPs and winning them, but I don't think he'd ever stay with Orlando level conditioning, those aren't his genetics. He's a big boy and filled out. His passing is really underrated and I think he'd be surrounded with shooters who he could find, I think he'd be on a built roster like Dwight had but would be putting up 30/14/5. If he spent this era in the Least I think he'd make 4 Finals.

Shaq averaged around 58% TS. Last year Josh Giddey shot 57% TS. Jokic in the season where he didn't win MVP averaged 70% TS on 24/12/9 while shooting 38% from 3. Even though Snaq is so physically dominant he effectively shot 12% worse than Jokic. Again, I got Shaq in my top 10. Teams would have to build to play against them if they were in the same conference, they'd run a 3rd C who would be a plug they'd throw in against him like a Taco Fall type guy who's taking up 10m. Honestly I would hate to see Chet defend him, it would be comedy.
 
The Servant said:
My favorite era has come and gone, I loved the NBA from 2005-2015. Snaq is an all timer and I've got him in my top 10, and my top 10 has MJ as #1. You just come in here and say he'd average 45-20 while being a dpoy and throw on your clown wig and start honking for attention though when we know Shaq was a mental midget with poor conditioning, bad FTing, and would be abused on the perimeter.

I think Shaq would be competing for MVPs and winning them, but I don't think he'd ever stay with Orlando level conditioning, those aren't his genetics. He's a big boy and filled out. His passing is really underrated and I think he'd be surrounded with shooters who he could find, I think he'd be on a built roster like Dwight had but would be putting up 30/14/5. If he spent this era in the Least I think he'd make 4 Finals.

Shaq averaged around 58% TS. Last year Josh Giddey shot 57% TS. Jokic in the season where he didn't win MVP averaged 70% TS on 24/12/9 while shooting 38% from 3. Even though Snaq is so physically dominant he effectively shot 12% worse than Jokic. Again, I got Shaq in my top 10. Teams would have to build to play against them if they were in the same conference, they'd run a 3rd C who would be a plug they'd throw in against him like a Taco Fall type guy who's taking up 10m. Honestly I would hate to see Chet defend him, it would be comedy.
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"Breh" take your clown wig off and stop honking for attention:

The Servant said:
Breh Snaq got stopped by a starless Detroit Pisstains, needed the refs giving (rigging) 20 fts to beat the Kangs, and beat a 5'10 player with a bunch of role players.

Cmon now. Even in their title runs Snaq Lakers gave up two games to the Pacers in the Finals. If Reggie Miller, Jalen Rose and Chris Mullen can take two off you... Youre not untouchable.
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I'm glad you could control your autism long enough to not sound like a half-wit.

Shaq's true shooting is obviously going to sag relative to other players since it takes FT% and 3P% into account. His field goal percentage was always around 60% and would be higher in today's game considering no one can deal with him. He played when people actually played defense. Who would guard him on the Nuggets? They already allow 51 ppg in the paint and have some of the worst rim protection in the league. You really want to talk about laziness and being ineffective?



You're not going to have a bunch of Josh Giddey's running around shooting average from three while Shaq decimates you every possession and your entire team fouls out. Teams will fundamentally change their rosters again. As for his weight, he largely kept it under check for basically 10 years and his conditioning was great. It wasn't a matter of filling out as opposed to getting lazy and complacent, especially after the toe surgery.

Shaq is bigger, faster, stronger, and more agile than any big man in this league. He played against some of the best defenders in history, not the pile of crap on display today. He would adapt just fine and effectively do whatever he wants while changing the trajectory of the league again. Nothing is stopping him from averaging 40+ points other than rule changes to make it fair for everyone else.

 
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