International Plan to 'decolonise' England's school curriculum to make it more 'diverse' and 'less western' slammed as 'indoctrination'

LOL. Aren't you embarrassed?

If you would had asked me that question I would have said I am of Northern European origin, mostly Scandinavian with German, Irish, English, and French and that I live in the San Francisco Bay Area.

I still retain culture from my lineage. You lost your fucking culture. That's your fault.
lmfaoooo
As far as examples, I'll just speak from my perspective. The Metalhead community.
Now while it is certainly embracing of every ethnic background, it's largely a white cultural thing.

You could say since other ethnic backgrounds are part of it, and contributed to it, that it would disqualify it from being "white culture" but that is absolutely the case for Hip Hop culture, so does that not make it "black culture"?
white people did not contribute to hip hop for years, and it was still hip-hop. even after some white rappers showed up, other white people (to this day even) painted it as garbage for thugs and wannabe gangsters. a massive group of white people (mostly boomers) reject it to this day. it's absolutely black culture.

i'll say metal is definitely mostly white and there weren't any notable black metal bands early on. but metal comes from rock and roll and is played on guitars, both of which are black inventions and black culture. so i can give you that, but its iffy.
If you could give me some examples of what you DO consider "culture" I could get an idea of what you think qualifies or disqualifies something from being culture in your eyes. Otherwise, I have no clue where you are coming from with this.
i mean it's a broad spectrum. any type of unique art, language, food, social movement, etc.
 
i mean it's a broad spectrum. any type of unique art, language, food, social movement, etc.
So why the fuck would it only count when people with darker skin complexions are doing these things but not people with pale skin pigmentation?

Are you seriously arguing that people of European origin don't produce these things?
 
Dont you dare teach my children that minorities contribute anything to society, or were instrumental in the formation of the Country!! Schools should be safe space from that nonsense
Minorities such as the Irish, Scots, and Welsh were important for forming Great Britain, I guess.
 
So why the fuck would it only count when people with darker skin complexions are doing these things but not people with pale skin pigmentation?
dude what?
Are you seriously arguing that people of European origin don't produce these things?
no im saying it wasn't made by white people without the influence of outside culture. hip-hop literally never had anything to do with white people until white people found it socially acceptable to hop in. it was black and brown guys rapping on a street corner while someone beatboxed. no instruments. and when they added instruments, it was all jazz and disco shit, also made by black people.

that said, i have thought of an example. pro wrestling is definitely white culture.
 
Every school curriculum around the world is inherently political and is indocrination. The inclusion or omission of certain facts or subjects is indoctrination, whether the indoctrination is intentional or not. Most people are just lack the cultural self-awareness to realise that it's happened to them. It's similar to how some people say "I don't have an accent", because they don't notice their own one.

IMO schools should teach about colonialism. They should teach the reality of it, which is that it was for profit, may have had some good side effects in foreign countries and the income and raw materials from it helped build Britain. They could teach about some negatives too, but some of it isn't really age-appropriate for young kids. It makes sense to teach it, because it's part of the country's history, there are misconceptions about it (eg that colonialism was all good, that these places had no civilisation of their own, no education systems, canals etc. Let's take education - British schools in the 1800s were mostly ran by churches, with no government funding. Gov funding started around 1850 ("contract state" model), but still it was ran by churches and charities, until well into the 20th Century. This was the same in some of the colonies that supposedly had no education systems - they did have education systems and schools in every village, which were shit by today's standards (due to being religion-linked), but pretty normal for those times. Check literacy rates of former colonies, you can see that for some of them their literacy rates improved much quicker post-independence. I won't give other examples, but until recently there were a lot of widely-believed myths. Most of these anti-woke media don't even know their own country's domestic history, I guarantee it, despite claiming to be patriots. It's like how they blame crime on immigration - they're from nice areas and old money, so have no idea that British cities had crime beforehand).

They should be careful teaching it in a way that doesn't sow division. Teaching it truthfully will be more unifying than people learning random shit from hearsay or TV shows, and then people being annoyed when they hear those falsehoods. Learning about shared history will be unifying (eg a little about how WW1/2 went down outside Europe, how many soldiers from British India and British African colonies fought in WW1/WW2, if they learn about the nazis mention German Namibia where they first tested the gas chambers, how many loan words and the number system in English came from colonies, how European science was influenced by Asian science, how it's a myth that Africa didn't trade with Asia and Europe prior to colonialism).

They could also learn about how the specific clusterfuck of "race" wasn't even a thing until a few hundred years ago.
And learn about Britain's own civil rights movements of the 60s-80s (eg Bristol Bus Boycott, no "blacks"/irish/dogs, how much progress has been made on racism since the 70s) - most people are unaware of it. Dispel the notion that Britain was always super tolerant, but also give credit for progress The UK is definitely cucked, because our discussion around race and politics too often follows an American lens, rather than a British one. We adapt whatever sociopolitical terminology and narratives are popular in America, as if we don't have our own history and culture.

For the rec, the non-domestic history I remember from school (quit history in yr10) was the cold war (USA/Russia/Cuban crisis), WW1, Liverpool/London blitz, ancient Egypt, slavery stuff, rosa parks. Obviously Jesus and other religious stuff in assembly/RE; Aristotle/Plato (dualism); and other filthy foreign shit in English, Geography and music.
 
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Literally nobody in Britain said those people weren’t white. You’re applying some 19th century overblown American racist propaganda to a different country. America is not the default.
i mean, yes that's somewhat true. i can see what you mean as far as me categorizing whiteness, but anglo-saxons absolutely viewed scots and celts as racially inferior.
 
i mean, yes that's somewhat true. i can see what you mean as far as me categorizing whiteness, but anglo-saxons absolutely viewed scots and celts as racially inferior.
I don’t know if racially inferior is the best way to define it, probably inferior in the way that all subjugated peoples are viewed by their masters/conquerors.
 
I don’t know if racially inferior is the best way to define it, probably inferior in the way that all subjugated peoples are viewed by their masters/conquerors.
i mean yes, but also certainly from a racial perspective. around the same time of "non-whiteness" being applied to the mass-immigrating celts and scots in america (late 1800's), famously racist prime minister benjamin disraeli was running the UK.

he described the irish as thus:

[The Irish] hate our free and fertile isle. They hate our order, our civilisation, our enterprising industry, our sustained courage, our decorous liberty, our pure religion. This wild, reckless, indolent, uncertain and superstitious race have no sympathy with the English character. Their fair ideal of human felicity is an alternation of clannish broils and coarse idolatry. Their history describes an unbroken circle of bigotry and blood . . . My lords, shall the delegates of these tribes, under the direction of the Roman priesthood, ride roughshod over our country -- over England -- haughty and still imperial England?"
 
i mean yes, but also certainly from a racial perspective. around the same time of "non-whiteness" being applied to the mass-immigrating celts and scots in america (late 1800's), famously racist prime minister benjamin disraeli was running the UK.

he described the irish as thus:

[The Irish] hate our free and fertile isle. They hate our order, our civilisation, our enterprising industry, our sustained courage, our decorous liberty, our pure religion. This wild, reckless, indolent, uncertain and superstitious race have no sympathy with the English character. Their fair ideal of human felicity is an alternation of clannish broils and coarse idolatry. Their history describes an unbroken circle of bigotry and blood . . . My lords, shall the delegates of these tribes, under the direction of the Roman priesthood, ride roughshod over our country -- over England -- haughty and still imperial England?"
american idiot can't comprehend that every group of people from europe low key views all others around them as inferior. proximity hatred is a feature of european greatness. was like that 1000 years ago and is still like that today.

it's an ambiental reality of euro societal dynamics. spaniards think portuguese and french are idiots. french think spaniards and germans are idiots. dutch think everyone on the continent except them is an idiot. germans think french and poles and idiots. each euro civilisation thinks its the best around and all others are inferior.

it's only limp american leftards that believe cultures are somehow equal, which is the most artificial idea there is.
 
lmfaoooo

white people did not contribute to hip hop for years, and it was still hip-hop. even after some white rappers showed up, other white people (to this day even) painted it as garbage for thugs and wannabe gangsters. a massive group of white people (mostly boomers) reject it to this day. it's absolutely black culture.

i'll say metal is definitely mostly white and there weren't any notable black metal bands early on. but metal comes from rock and roll and is played on guitars, both of which are black inventions and black culture. so i can give you that, but its iffy.

i mean it's a broad spectrum. any type of unique art, language, food, social movement, etc.

Tbf if you know early hip hop you'll know Kraftwerk are often credited as very influential by early producers.
 
no that's exactly what i comprehend and exactly what i'm saying lol
no you're not. you're attaching it to racial ideas which are irrelevant in this case.
all others are shit because they're "others".
racial only came into conversation when it was about africans or asians or other sorts of mutts. the englishman isn't "racist" against the irish, he's being xenophobic about it.
 
Tbf if you know early hip hop you'll know Kraftwerk are often credited as very influential by early producers.
kraftwerk are absolutely one of the most influential musical groups of all time. one of the big reasons i didn't mention detroit house pioneering techno, as kraftwerk laid the groundwork for damn near everything electronic in the 80's and 90's (let's not forget throbbing gristle either). but hip-hop existed without any instrumentation at all, which is why i mentioned it.
 
kraftwerk are absolutely one of the most influential musical groups of all time. one of the big reasons i didn't mention detroit house pioneering techno, as kraftwerk laid the groundwork for damn near everything electronic in the 80's and 90's. but hip-hop existed without any instrumentation at all, or any producers, which is why i mentioned it.

Yeah but you can't take away how massively influential they were over early hip hop beats.

Tbh I'm a bit of a music nerd so if anyone wants to get into anything in music being the property of any race solely it's gonna be an uphill battle.
 
Yeah but you can't take away how massively influential they were over early hip hop beats.
no doubt. they're even still influential, and get sampled (even outside of hip-hop) to this day. i recall a coldplay song playing at my job not too long ago that sampled them. but hip-hop existed even before those beats.
Tbh I'm a bit of a music nerd so if anyone wants to get into anything in music being the property of any race solely it's gonna be an uphill battle.
listen, so am i. i have an animal collective AV and my spotify collection has 1200+ albums. i'm as much of a music nerd as anyone on this planet, and if you're like me, i'm sure we could go tit for tat.
 
no doubt. they're even still influential, and get sampled (even outside of hip-hop) to this day. i recall a coldplay song playing at my job not too long ago that sampled them. but hip-hop existed even before those beats.

listen, so am i. i have an animal collective AV and my spotify collection has 1200+ albums. i'm as much of a music nerd as anyone on this planet, and if you're like me, i'm sure we could go tit for tat.

Are you on RYM?
 

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