Media PFL's Donn Davis: Ngannou vs Ferreira winner is #1 HW in world, not anyone in the UFC

[svmr_db]

Cliffs

- If you want to claim you're the best HW in the world, you have to "call us (PFL) not them (UFC)" according to Donn Davis
- Ngannou was #1 P4P when he was in the UFC apparently
- Ferreira is the "biggest rising star" & ranked #5 by ESPN!
- "Sugar" Shane O'Malley
- "Only 60 great fights a year, 40 from UFC & 20 from PFL"
- "#DanaScared" (he says this out loud) Dana White would never match his best UFC fighters vs best of PFL

 

[usernamee]

Just an even more transparent Dana White

 

[Red Lantern]

Lol Jon Jones beat them both on the same night. Both have bad takedown defense.

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

Too bad Franci$ didn't want to stick around for Aspinall, Pavlovich, Almeida, Black Beast, Volkov, or Jones.

 

[TheMMAnalyst]

He isn’t wrong about Ngannou deserving to be #1 still.

Ngannou beat Gane to be the unified champ on one knee. Before that he brutally finished Stipe when he was champ.

Jones beat Gane after Ngannou. Now he’s fighting Stipe 3 years removed from losing to Ngannou.

Aspinal is possibly the best, but we just don’t know. But Jones beating Gane and Stipe after Ngannou already did doesn’t prove he’s better than Big Frank.

If the UFC wasn’t so cheap we’d actually get the right fights (Jones/Ngannou/Aspinal combinations), but sadly they’re rather pay just one guy well and manipulate the narrative as they see fit.

 

[VinceArch]

He's right about that and we all know why.

 

[svmr_db]

He isn’t wrong about Ngannou deserving to be #1 still.

Ngannou beat Gane to be the unified champ on one knee. Before that he brutally finished Stipe when he was champ.

Jones beat Gane after Ngannou. Now he’s fighting Stipe 3 years removed from losing to Ngannou.

Aspinal is possibly the best, but we just don’t know. But Jones beating Gane and Stipe after Ngannou already did doesn’t prove he’s better than Big Frank.

If the UFC wasn’t so cheap we’d actually get the right fights (Jones/Ngannou/Aspinal combinations), but sadly they’re rather pay just one guy well and manipulate the narrative as they see fit.

How do we know Ngannou deserves to be #1 still? He hasn't fought in MMA in over 2 and a half years. Would you feel the same if it was 5 years?

 

[ultra321]

Too bad Franci$ didn't want to stick around for Aspinall, Pavlovich, Almeida, Black Beast, Volkov, or Jones.

or finish the trilogy with Stipe... with which he is 1 and 1....

TBF though... and this deserves mention Jones waited till after Ngannou was out of the picture to do shit at Heavy Weight and now Jones is ducking Aspinall... I believe if offered AND HIS PIE IN THE SKY DEMANDS BEEN MET... He would absolutely have Fought and Beaten Juicy Jones.

 

[loisestrad]

Ngannou beat Gane to be the unified champ on one knee

Oh, them excuses.

What actually happened was that Ngannou didn't look great vs Gane. Fighters are more or less injured lot of the time, who cares. Ngannou did beat Gane, but didn't look impressive while doing so.

That's what happened.

Then Jones beat Gane by making him look like an amateur, and the Ngannou fans had to play up the Ngannou injury.

This is what actually happened, who cares though - the concept of a "lineal champ" is as ridiculous as the BMF belt, P4P and what have we.

 

[AldoStillGoat]

Wow that's the most accurate thing another competitor could have said about the state of the UFC.

I'm on the PFL bandwagon

 

[Eric Silva 2.0]

Cliffs

- If you want to claim your the best HW in the world, you have to "call us (PFL) not them (UFC)" according to Donn Davis
- Ngannou was #1 P4P when he was in the UFC apparently
- Ferreira is the "biggest rising star" & ranked #5 by ESPN!
- "Sugar" Shane O'Malley
- "Only 60 great fights a year, 40 from UFC & 20 from PFL"
- "#DanaScared" (he says this out loud) Dana White would never match his best UFC fighters vs best of PFL

 

[TheMMAnalyst]

How do we know Ngannou deserves to be #1 still? He hasn't fought in MMA in over 2 and a half years. Would you feel the same if it was 5 years?

Jones has only fought once at HW in 4.5 years, against someone who just lost to Ngannou just a year prior.

As I already said it's likely Aspinal is the best in the world based on current performances/level of competition, we just don't know because the UFC won't pay to retain top talent so we can get the fights we want/deserve as hardcore fight fans.

Based on Ngannou's record/run prior to his boxing hiatus I think he deserves the leeway, especially with the UFC trying to elevate Jones as the #1 HW based on literally 1 fight in half a decade in a new weight class against a guy Ngannou already beat.

 

[TheMMAnalyst]

Oh, them excuses.

What actually happened was that Ngannou didn't look great vs Gane. Fighters are more or less injured lot of the time, who cares. Ngannou did beat Gane, but didn't look impressive while doing so.

That's what happened.

Then Jones beat Gane by making him look like an amateur, and the Ngannou fans had to play up the Ngannou injury.

This is what actually happened, who cares though - the concept of a "lineal champ" is as ridiculous as the BMF belt, P4P and what have we.

What excuses?

That's literally what happened, he fought Gane on one knee and didn't get tooled badly in the stand-up and beat Gane where he was weakest, actually show-casing his ability to adapt as needed.

Jones has one fight at HW against a guy that was shown to have an exploitable weakness where he is strongest (wrestling/grappling) and has fought once in 4.5 years. Also Gane looked shook in that fight and made a series of ridiculous mistakes, so it wasn't Jones just making him look like an amateur as it was Gane shitting the bed.

It's called "context" and it's relevant to the discussion.

The "lineal champ" thing is actually really important, it's why the UFC is supposed to retain their best fighters and pay them, otherwise we are left in this confused state of trying to figure out "what-ifs" based on guessing and fighter preference/bias.

 

[MotorCityCobra]

Ngannou definitely was the top hw in the world.

But make no mistake, confidence is huge part of fighting at the highest level and although it was boxing he just got brutally massacred. Look at Conor before and after a much less brutal beating in boxing.

 

[loisestrad]

What excuses?

That's literally what happened, he fought Gane on one knee and didn't get tooled badly in the stand-up and beat Gane where he was weakest, actually show-casing his ability to adapt as needed.

Jones has one fight at HW against a guy that was shown to have an exploitable weakness where he is strongest (wrestling/grappling) and has fought once in 4.5 years. Also Gane looked shook in that fight and made a series of ridiculous mistakes, so it wasn't Jones just making him look like an amateur as it was Gane shitting the bed.

It's called "context" and it's relevant to the discussion.

The "lineal champ" thing is actually really important, it's why the UFC is supposed to retain their best fighters and pay them, otherwise we are left in this confused state of trying to figure out "what-ifs" based on guessing and fighter preference/bias.

Lol, cool.

It's just that sometimes fighters get to use injuries as an excuse, and sometimes they don't. Which is cool, it's all part of the game.

Context, you know.

 

[TheMMAnalyst]

Lol, cool.

It's just that sometimes fighters get to use injuries as an excuse, and sometimes they don't. Which is cool, it's all part of the game.

Context, you know.

I mean he won the fight and then told us about the injury after, just like Poatan recently did.

Excuses and explanations are two-sides of the same coin, it's obtuse to pretend that having a major leg injury didn't play a factor into his performance. It also then made sense why his movement looked like shit and he had both his knees wrapped to hide which one was injured from Gane.

Seems that when people like a fighter and they win and tell us about an injury that makes them more of a bad-ass, but when it's a fighter they don't like it's now an excuse about their performance (even though it was still a win).

Just appears to be fighter bias, will give some guys more credit for fighting injured and then claim it's an excuse for others. Interesting...

 

[Söze Aldo]

He's not wrong. The UFC HW division has never been weaker.

Even Tom is saying he just wants to get paid and retire from the sport as soon as possible.

 

[HolmeZy55]

 

[loisestrad]

He's not wrong. The UFC HW division has never been weaker.

Even Tom is saying he just wants to get paid and retire from the sport as soon as possible.

I would put my money on the top 5 of todays UFC HW division beating the top 5 of the UFC HW division of 15 years ago more often than not.

 

[Söze Aldo]

I would put my money on the top 5 of todays UFC HW division beating the top 5 of the UFC HW division of 15 years ago more often than not.

You sure about that?

This is the top ranked MMA HWs from 2009 and aside from Fedor they are all UFC guys

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Also, regardless of rankings nobody actually believes Stipe Miocic is deserving of being the UFCs challenger for the HW belt. It's very bush league, to have a firefighter who for all intents and purposes retired from MMA in 2021 challenge for it. You wouldn't see that in 2009.