Elections Peter Thiel and the CIA trying to astroturf the post-Trump Magasphere?

[SuperLuigi]

Interesting topic for those wondering what the Republican party will look like 10 years from now.

I spent a bit too much time on the internet today and ended up finding a clip of Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens beefing with Nick Fuentes. Basically Tucker accuses Fuentes of being a younger version of David Duke, i.e. a racist guy who the CIA uses to endorse people they want to smear as racist. Candace basically just agrees with him. The crux of their position is that Fuentes attacks Joe Kent and JD Vance, who epitomize the genuine authentic version of MAGA and its supporters. This all seemed reasonable.

So then I watched Nick's response addressing the accusation and he lays out pretty convincingly that Peter Thiel and the CIA are astroturfing young republicans so they can shape the future of the republican party and the MAGA movement. Turns out, Joe Kent is a CIA agent, as accidentally revealed by Donald Trump. Tucker's Dad was a CIA agent, which he claims he didn't know despite discussing it publicly in the 90s and mentioning it a year ago. Thiel has donated millions to all these guys, and people linked to them all collaborated in campaigns to push Joe Kent and attack Fuentes.

https://rumble.com/v6x2fjg-exposing-tucker-carlson.html

Here is a previous thread that touches the Candace Owens element but not the rest of this: https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/candace-owens-sits-down-with-nick-fuentes.4363823/

Also Sherdog staff your media button says Rumble is approved for embedding but it doesnt work.

 

[Heisenboom]

I've always looked at it like C (see) I (eye) A , see eye a, seeing eye agency.

 

[AWilder]

I've always looked at it like C (see) I (eye) A , see eye a, seeing eye agency.

 

[Captain Tenneal]

Thiel and most of the CIA should be thrown in a gulag

 

[gatchaman]

Interesting topic for those wondering what the Republican party will look like 10 years from now.

I spent a bit too much time on the internet today and ended up finding a clip of Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens beefing with Nick Fuentes. Basically Tucker accuses Fuentes of being a younger version of David Duke, i.e. a racist guy who the CIA uses to endorse people they want to smear as racist. Candace basically just agrees with him. The crux of their position is that Fuentes attacks Joe Kent and JD Vance, who epitomize the genuine authentic version of MAGA and its supporters. This all seemed reasonable.

So then I watched Nick's response addressing the accusation and he lays out pretty convincingly that Peter Thiel and the CIA are astroturfing young republicans so they can shape the future of the republican party and the MAGA movement. Turns out, Joe Kent is a CIA agent, as accidentally revealed by Donald Trump. Tucker's Dad was a CIA agent, which he claims he didn't know despite discussing it publicly in the 90s and mentioning it a year ago. Thiel has donated millions to all these guys, and people linked to them all collaborated in campaigns to push Joe Kent and attack Fuentes.

https://rumble.com/v6x2fjg-exposing-tucker-carlson.html

Here is a previous thread that touches the Candace Owens element but not the rest of this: https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/candace-owens-sits-down-with-nick-fuentes.4363823/

Also Sherdog staff your media button says Rumble is approved for embedding but it doesnt work.

Thanks for posting this thread. It would be helpful if you would identify the times in the 2h+ rumble video that the items in your summary occur. Here is a highlights version that is less than 15 minutes long (My link starts at about 2m where Tucker Carlson himself calls Joe Kent a CIA contractor, but the stuff before 2 minutes is also good) :


Here are Fuentes's receipts for the accusation that Tucker Carlson discussed his dad being CIA shortly before the dad's death (not after as Carlson claimed to Candace Owens).

I missed the part about Tucker discussing his CIA dad in the 90s, and I would appreciate anyone providing a clip of it.

Bonus: Here is a younger Tucker Carlson accusing Pat Buchanan of being "a racist guy who the CIA uses to endorse people they want to smear as racist" as you put it.


Bonus: Here is Nick Fuentes attacking JD Vance with Alex Jones defending JD Vance.

The youtube comments are interesting, claiming that Nick Fuentes is like younger Alex Jones. I think that, for the black-pilled, this makes more sense than the Tucker Carlson version of Fuentes as Fed. The black-pill explanation is that people like Nick Fuentes and Alex Jones and Ron Paul are like O'Brien in Orwell's 1984. They express skepticism of government to attract whistleblowers and resources (that might otherwise be employed productively like productively supporting the Canadian Convoy protest).

 

[SuperLuigi]

Thanks for posting this thread. It would be helpful if you would identify the times in the 2h+ rumble video that the items in your summary occur. Here is a highlights version that is less than 15 minutes long (My link starts at about 2m where Tucker Carlson himself calls Joe Kent a CIA contractor, but the stuff before 2 minutes is also good) :


Here are Fuentes's receipts for the accusation that Tucker Carlson discussed his dad being CIA shortly before the dad's death (not after as Carlson claimed to Candace Owens).

I missed the part about Tucker discussing his CIA dad in the 90s, and I would appreciate anyone providing a clip of it.

Bonus: Here is a younger Tucker Carlson accusing Pat Buchanan of being "a racist guy who the CIA uses to endorse people they want to smear as racist" as you put it.


Bonus: Here is Nick Fuentes attacking JD Vance with Alex Jones defending JD Vance.

The youtube comments are interesting, claiming that Nick Fuentes is like younger Alex Jones. I think that, for the black-pilled, this makes more sense than the Tucker Carlson version of Fuentes as Fed. The black-pill explanation is that people like Nick Fuentes and Alex Jones and Ron Paul are like O'Brien in Orwell's 1984. They express skepticism of government to attract whistleblowers and resources (that might otherwise be employed productively like productively supporting the Canadian Convoy protest).

Everything I described was from the first hour, likely the first 45 mins.

 

[HOLA]

I don't know about the CIA connections but Peter Thiel is as deeply deep state as it gets. JD Vance is his bottom, and he has funded and fueled Vance for years. Thiel is the person single most responsible for getting Vance in as VP. There's nothing "authentically MAGA" about Vance, or Thiel. Vance was openly insulting Trump, while Thiel was already funding him. Trump is their useful idiot right now.

Their true ideological underpinnings come from retard "philosophers" like Curtis Yarvin, a neo-monarchist with a penchant for slavery. They don't deny this, although they have made some attempts to downplay it at times.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2025/06/09/curtis-yarvin-profile

Curtis Yarvin’s Plot Against America​

The reactionary blogger’s call for a monarch to rule the country once seemed like a joke. Now the right is ready to bend the knee.

 

[SuperLuigi]

I don't know about the CIA connections but Peter Thiel is as deeply deep state as it gets. JD Vance is his bottom, and he has funded and fueled Vance for years. Thiel is the person single most responsible for getting Vance in as VP. There's nothing "authentically MAGA" about Vance, or Thiel. Vance was openly insulting Trump, while Thiel was already funding him. Trump is their useful idiot right now.

Their true ideological underpinnings come from retard "philosophers" like Curtis Yarvin, a neo-monarchist with a penchant for slavery. They don't deny this, although they have made some attempts to downplay it at times.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2025/06/09/curtis-yarvin-profile

Curtis Yarvin’s Plot Against America​

The reactionary blogger’s call for a monarch to rule the country once seemed like a joke. Now the right is ready to bend the knee.

What evidence is there that links Yarvin to Thiel and Vance? Yarvin's ideology is inherently anti-populist while Vance and Thiel seem to be pushing for a kind of curated populism.

 

[gatchaman]

I don't know about the CIA connections but Peter Thiel is as deeply deep state as it gets. JD Vance is his bottom, and he has funded and fueled Vance for years. Thiel is the person single most responsible for getting Vance in as VP. There's nothing "authentically MAGA" about Vance, or Thiel. Vance was openly insulting Trump, while Thiel was already funding him. Trump is their useful idiot right now.

Their true ideological underpinnings come from retard "philosophers" like Curtis Yarvin, a neo-monarchist with a penchant for slavery. They don't deny this, although they have made some attempts to downplay it at times.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2025/06/09/curtis-yarvin-profile

Curtis Yarvin’s Plot Against America​

The reactionary blogger’s call for a monarch to rule the country once seemed like a joke. Now the right is ready to bend the knee.

Given the interconnections between Trump, Epstein, and Clinton, do you ever question whether democracy is the real joke being played on you, like democracy is professional wrestling for grown-ups with predetermined outcomes to satisfy our need for circuses, while preventing any actual changes of the ruling class? "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." Didn't this just happen in Romania?

I am reposting the Nick Fuentes takedown of JD Vance to start at 8:30 where the youtuber Atlas Thugged discusses Palantir's involvement in crushing the political far-right in Europe and assisting the distribution of Covid-19 vaccines

Do you think, in view of the widespread corruption, that Anthony Fauci and Rochelle Walensky and Deborah Birx were really honest people in a dishonest system, sincerely trying to protect Americans from Covid-19 that arose in nature?

 

[Kingz]

There is a lot of factions jockeying for position to take over MAGA since there isn’t a clear heir apparent. I don’t mean a single politician, since it would be Vance but a lot of them are all trying to claim Vance to push him in their ideological direction.

The “CIA” is likely left wing fever dream dog shit, but of course power players on the right are all going to try to fill what looks like, today, a future vacuum in leadership for this movement.

This is also what Elon Musk was trying to do. He was trying to be the next leader of MAGA but he wasn’t patient. He tried to take the wheel in the first month of Trump’s term and turn MAGA into a hyper capitalist tech bro libertarian movement. No thank you.

 

[luckyshot]

I've always looked at it like C (see) I (eye) A , see eye a, seeing eye agency.

 

[Stoic1]

Interesting topic I need to read and watch some of this. The implications have more impact than I realized.

 

[Daverisimo]

Thiel and most of the CIA should be thrown in a gulag

You know how your parents probably at some point told you something along the lines of "is you can't say something nice about someone, don't say anything at all"? I feel like the corollary to that for online spaces is "if you can't say anything about someone without advocating for political violence, don't say anything at all". I'm gonna go ahead and choose to say nothing about Peter Thiel here. Even though I really, really want to...

 

[luckyshot]

Thanks for posting this thread. It would be helpful if you would identify the times in the 2h+ rumble video that the items in your summary occur. Here is a highlights version that is less than 15 minutes long (My link starts at about 2m where Tucker Carlson himself calls Joe Kent a CIA contractor, but the stuff before 2 minutes is also good) :


Here are Fuentes's receipts for the accusation that Tucker Carlson discussed his dad being CIA shortly before the dad's death (not after as Carlson claimed to Candace Owens).

I missed the part about Tucker discussing his CIA dad in the 90s, and I would appreciate anyone providing a clip of it.

Bonus: Here is a younger Tucker Carlson accusing Pat Buchanan of being "a racist guy who the CIA uses to endorse people they want to smear as racist" as you put it.


Bonus: Here is Nick Fuentes attacking JD Vance with Alex Jones defending JD Vance.

The youtube comments are interesting, claiming that Nick Fuentes is like younger Alex Jones. I think that, for the black-pilled, this makes more sense than the Tucker Carlson version of Fuentes as Fed. The black-pill explanation is that people like Nick Fuentes and Alex Jones and Ron Paul are like O'Brien in Orwell's 1984. They express skepticism of government to attract whistleblowers and resources (that might otherwise be employed productively like productively supporting the Canadian Convoy protest).

Everything Fuentes says about Tucker and Vance here seems absolutely true.

And Tucker is obviously lying. Make of that what you will.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Nick's exposé on Vance is pretty significant. Mentored by George Bush ideologues before being openly groomed by Thiel, saying that meeting Thiel was "the most important moment of his life". Anyone who thinks Vance will move away from the status quo is lively mistaken. As soon as he got elected he started advocating attacking Iran and Hamas.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

You know how your parents probably at some point told you something along the lines of "is you can't say something nice about someone, don't say anything at all"? I feel like the corollary to that for online spaces is "if you can't say anything about someone without advocating for political violence, don't say anything at all". I'm gonna go ahead and choose to say nothing about Peter Thiel here. Even though I really, really want to...

Thiel and Yarvin are the biggest threats to America imo. If people are concerned about the WEF wait till they read what Yarvin wants to do.

 

[Daverisimo]

Thiel and Yarvin are the biggest threats to America imo. If people are concerned about the WEF wait till they read what Yarvin wants to do.

The really weird thing about it for me is that their whole political project is like the evil mirror-world version of what I actually want. I'm an anarchist. I want the state replaced by a loose-knit federation of ideologically-aligned communes. They want the state replaced by a network of ideologically aligned city-states. The difference is, I want direct democracy and worker ownership of the means of production. They want complete corporate control under, essentially, hereditary monarchies. I highly doubt I'll see my ideal society built within my lifetime, but I REALLY hope I don't live to see their's.

 

[IanEdwards]

What evidence is there that links Yarvin to Thiel and Vance? Yarvin's ideology is inherently anti-populist while Vance and Thiel seem to be pushing for a kind of curated populism.

FWIW I suspect that populism is very much cosmetic, IE very, very limited (is that the same as what you mean by 'curated'? I guess maybe)

Is it a case of the paradox that proves to be true, that the easiest way for a Yarvinian agenda to be advanced is exactly by way of that curated or cosmetic populism? just enough to get the votes and throw them the odd irrelevant bone? thats why culture wars are so popular with the squillionaire types, an agenda they can advance which doesn't affect their bottom line

 

[IanEdwards]

The really weird thing about it for me is that their whole political project is like the evil mirror-world version of what I actually want. I'm an anarchist. I want the state replaced by a loose-knit federation of ideologically-aligned communes. They want the state replaced by a network of ideologically aligned city-states. The difference is, I want direct democracy and worker ownership of the means of production. They want complete corporate control under, essentially, hereditary monarchies. I highly doubt I'll see my ideal society built within my lifetime, but I REALLY hope I don't live to see their's.

theirs is far more likely, of course

 

[Spam On Rye]

Thiel and his ilk are demonic transhumanists with a heavy Straussian bent. This is well outside of the political dialectic. People would do well to stop focusing on surface level drama and start thinking in terms of paradigms.