Pereira has probably beaten a better quality of opponent than Anderson did during his run - Kevin Iole

[NoSmilez]

I think it's different and hard to compare. Most of the fighters from Anderson's generation didn't know how to strike but knew how to grapple. The general consensus of that time was that Anderson was great in MMA but he wouldn't be able to cross over to kickboxing. The top kickboxers of that time wouldn't be able to make it to MMA due to lack of a ground game. One of my favorite crossover guy during that time was Manhoef but he was awful on the ground and was damaged goods in terms of his chin. Crocop is another crossover guy who was fun to watch.

 

[lenbiasgoat]

leben lutter and leitas or whatever hofers obviously lol

 

[blaseblase]

Belfort had a short window of high performance while on an extraordinary amount of PEDS. I think Poatan beats any version of him, and Vitor has dogshit heart/defense/chin.

Vitor is more accomplished than anyone Poatan has beaten at LHW.

 

[SirRealKiller]

Both Jiri and Hill were ex champs. Pereira has 5 wins over UFC champions, Adesanya, Jan. JiI, Hill, Jiri
Anderson has 6 with Newton, Franklin, Franklin, Hendo, Forrest and Vitor

Anderson still had the better resume, Pereira has some catching up to do but he is the closest right now.

Yeah, but are Jiri and Hills "real" champs? I mean who have they actually beaten?

 

[blaseblase]

Yeah, but are Jiri and Hills "real" champs? I mean who have they actually beaten?

Jiri came into the UFC as the Rizin champ, knocked out Volkan and Reyes, and then submitted defending champion Glover. Lol what criteria are you using where he isn't a "real" champion?

 

[LoopingRight]

At this point, I don't care. I can think for myself. If casuals want to eat this shit up, so be it. I'm just going to appreciate Pereira's fights as they're entertaining and he's on a great run. Dana is MMA's Don King, spewing hyperbole, and Iole is an old, uneducated man with a platform he doesn't deserve. It is what it is.

I agree, but I'm mostly commenting to acknowledge your S tier av.

Beautiful.

 

[SirRealKiller]

Jiri came into the UFC as the Rizin champ, knocked out Volkan and Reyes, and then submitted defending champion Glover. Lol what criteria are you using where he isn't a "real" champion?

As I said, Volkan,Reyes,and Glover all way past prime.

Volkan, basically never beat anyone good and was old.

Reyes , was good but has not been good since 2019.

Glover, was 42 at the time and yeah he beat Jan but both were like 40.

So yes, if looking at just names those look like huge wins but they were all not their prime versions.

 

[rjmbrd]

Vitor is more accomplished than anyone Poatan has beaten at LHW.

As a historical character in the sport, yes. He was also a raging PEDS abuser.

Once he was required to stop taking steroids, he shrunk and turned into a average fighter. Weidman, Jacare, Mousasi, Kelvin and Machida all knocked him out in hilariously easy fashion.

Let me say that again - he was knocked out 5 times in 6 fights after being kicked off steroids.

 

[blaseblase]

As a historical character in the sport, yes. He was also a raging PEDS abuser.

Once he was required to stop taking steroids, he shrunk and turned into a average fighter. Weidman, Jacare, Mousasi, Kelvin and Machida all knocked him out in hilariously easy fashion.

Let me say that again - he was knocked out 5 times in 6 fights after being kicked off steroids.

He fought Silva long before USADA, you saying he was on raging PEDs makes that win even better.

Also 90% of the fighters from his era abused PEDs, it's kind of pointless to single him out.

 

[LoopingRight]

Hate how revisionist nonsense rewrites Silva away from greatness.

Not just murdering people but fighting through battles, moving up, basically changing the entire game.

Alex is great but this is like people comparing Lesnar to Fedor.

One did it first and did it every single time.

Both made a mark on the history of MMA but for totally different reasons, in different eras.

Alex needs a few subs to escalate to... a legacy.

Cro Cop's only notable submission in his prime was against Kevin Randleman.

It's not common, but legacy can be achieved without it.

 

[HHJ]

Cro Cop's only notable submission in his prime was against Kevin Randleman.

It's not common, but legacy can be achieved without out it.

Oh yes

if you only win one way all the time more power to you.

You do not need to win on STYLE points.

Just WIN

 

[ryanrandy]

if by might have a chance against sonnen, okami, maia and franklin you mean get ragdolled by them I would agree.

I really like Alex but I hate this "goat of the month" shit. But to be honest, while I don't think his opposition is up there with Anderson, at least it's not usman levels of cringe. Defending against fucking Masvidal twice lmao, goat ww my ass.

Agreed. They guys he listed are also MWs so even if Khalil could beat them why is that impressive right?

 

[Natural Order]

Khalil better than Marquardt, lol.

Scrubby new fans gonna scrub.

 

[rjmbrd]

He fought Silva long before USADA, you saying he was on raging PEDs makes that win even better.

Also 90% of the fighters from his era abused PEDs, it's kind of pointless to single him out.

Jacare, Kelvin and Machida all knocked him out AFTER USADA was implemented.

Even setting that aside, presumably anyone with eyeballs and common sense could see the cartoon physical transformation Vitor went through getting of PEDS. I honestly feel like I'm typing out and explaining a meme right now.

and yes, PEDS Vitor was a fine win for Anderson. No doubt about it.

 

[blaseblase]

and yes, PEDS Vitor was a fine win for Anderson. No doubt about it.

That's what this thread is about. Kevin Iole downplaying Silva's wins. I'm not here to discuss how Vitor looked under USADA.

 

[Guy LeDouche]

It’s easy to say this but it’s not really a fair indicator of that fighter at the time. Anderson’s competition was dangerous for the era they fought in.

And if you really want to say it, Silva didn’t get put to sleep in his very first defense.

 

[AmonTobin]

Seems like dumping on one to pump up the other is White’s formula. One was great to watch then. This new guy is great to watch now. I agree with the above comments that the constant GOAT talk is tiresome. No need to cancel one with another as if our brains don’t have the capacity to appreciate both simultaneously. Latest doesn’t always have to be forced down are throats as the greatest. Maybe he is maybe he isn’t. Won’t change how we enjoy the fights.

 

[fortheo]

I love Maia but I don't see him beating LHWs like Khalil even if he's better p4p.

Hendo could beat anyone between MW to LHW in his best days.

The longest win streak in UFC history as well as doubling the record of most title defenses in a streak from five to ten before DJ broke his record with his 11th defense.

Khalil's tdd is shit. I watched some polish boxer take him down more than once

 

[michi972]

lol at khalil beating bonnar and forrest

lol at izzy and jiri, two guys who barely faced decent wrestlers beating prime juiced to the gills sonnen, and okami
hendo beats every single guy pereira ever faced in mma



i love pereira, i really do
but the LHW divison is at it's weakest ever, and everybody knows that
now out of suden khalil is better than forrest who beat shogun and rampage? fuck off

Khalil benefited even more from lack of grapplers. I seriously think he's terrible on the ground and his defensive wrestling isn't good, just no one could test it

 

[Poirierfan]

Uh oh, Dana got to another one, turned Kevin into a mouthpiece.