Pereira has probably beaten a better quality of opponent than Anderson did during his run - Kevin Iole

[maximus__]

Dude I don't care about your PED opinion. That's not what this thread is about. It's about the Vitor that Silva fought being an elite win on his resume.

And Pereira loses to Silva, Sonnen, Maia and Hendo.

You really think Sonnen, Maia, Silva and Hendo all beat current Pereira?

That's a crazy take. Pereira destroys Silva and I think Silva is one of the best to do it. Pereira is SIlva's nightmare.
Sonnen might get him down, but he was always very hittable and folded when things went badd for him.
Maia is too small.
Hendo is a beast and might catch him, but I feel Alex picks him apart because Hendo didn't wrestle later in his career. Alex via checking the low kick and throwing a straight punch and catching hendo coming in on his overhand right.

Guys like Gus, DC and Rumble probably beat Pereira because all 3 were reasonably well rounded especially Gus with his underated wrestling.
THat was one of the best eras of MMA in LHW as much as I like Pride.

 

[maximus__]

Am I wrong? Jiri holds some great wins outside the UFC. He did a lot of that work during tournaments aswell.

I think Hill sucks, but he is still finishing people nearly every time he goes out there.

 

[looq]

There's not much point in comparing their opponents. You can only beat what's in front of you and Silva did that for an extremely long time. It's worth remembering that Silva's reign started 18 years ago.

The sport has grown and fighters are generally at a higher level now than they once were, with the exception here and there.

 

[RonDante]

There's not really any good way to determine quality opponents. Records don't tell the full story, and rankings are controlled by the promotion. Entertaining fights > rhetoric.

We could watch guys fight and see how good they are?

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

We could watch guys fight and see how good they are?

On a particular night after a particular fighting camp and other life/human variables, sure.

 

[rjmbrd]

And Pereira loses to Silva, Sonnen, Maia and Hendo.

I do enjoy meeting autists on the internet.

 

[Vampire life]

He said this in the post fight presser with Dana White. This is a bizarre thing to say following Pereira facing the 8th ranked fighter in the weight class. WTF. How on earth do you say this after only 3 title defenses? This is stuff you expect Dana to say but the MMA media has gotten so captured they are anticipating his ridiculous promotional opinion and saying it for him.

Yeah but Silva was cheating the ENTIRE time

That’s the difference

 

[supacor]

I do agree that Hendo would probably be the biggest threat. Great chin, big power, serious wrestling threat in his back pocket for when he needed it.

I think theres a question mark around whether Vitor had the grappling to exploit Poatan or not. But even stand up wise he did have very quick, crisp hands and good power. If Poatan is getting tested standing by Khalil and 40 year old Jan I dont see why Vitor wouldnt have a shot too.

Chael had a lot of losses but tons of them were by submission and vs guys with better grappling credentials than Poatan. He is a bigger wrestling threat than anyone Poatan has faced so far at least.

anderson tapped out your prime hendo in the 2nd. what fights did hendo have against up and coming killers post anderson? so was hendo a killer/in his prime pre anderson loss, or was hendo a killer/in his prime post anderson loss? cuz anderson made it look easy making him tap

 

[mister piscadinha]

Jiri was on a 23 fight win streak before he lost to Alex and has wins over the consensus best guys at 205 outside the UFC including Nemkov.
Yes him and Glover had a war, but sometimes you have guys like that.

Jones also arguably lost uring his career and most of his late career was decisions.

I agree on Hill but the guy was 12-1 and had a 6 fight finish streak in the UFC going into the Glover fight.

He can't go and fight those guys. They aren't around anymore or they are and they are losing to fighters that guys like Jiri beat over in Bellator.

most of those 23 wins were against regional cans
yeah, he had a great win against nemkov, but i would pick nemkov if they ran it back today

jones lost twice, to reyes and santos
he still the goat LHW

my point is that both jiri and hill have the ghost of glover as their best win, a guy that in his prime got beat up by jones, gus and rumble

LHW is much weaker now than it was then

 

[CombatCyborg]

Against his 2 most proven (Izzy and old Jan) opponents, he is 2-1 while being knocked out and winning razor edge decision. How can that be compared to Anderson is beyond me. Everyone else was striker and one of those striker was the most perfect matchup for Alex (Jiri).

Jan beat him in every kickboxing exchange too, won the leg kick battle, hurt his shins, blocked or slipped every left hook. There's a moment where he blocks then counter's Pereira's left hook then lands his own clean.

 

[Through The Looking Glass]

most of those 23 wins were against regional cans
yeah, he had a great win against nemkov, but i would pick nemkov if they ran it back today

jones lost twice, to reyes and santos
he still the goat LHW

my point is that both jiri and hill have the ghost of glover as their best win, a guy that in his prime got beat up by jones, gus and rumble

LHW is much weaker now than it was then

Glover improved a lot by the time he was champ. His experience made him much tougher to beat. Hill is underrated because he got koed so of course he's trash now

 

[mister piscadinha]

Glover improved a lot by the time he was champ. His experience made him much tougher to beat. Hill is underrated because he got koed so of course he's trash now

what did grandpa glover have that prime glover did not?

 

[maximus__]

most of those 23 wins were against regional cans
yeah, he had a great win against nemkov, but i would pick nemkov if they ran it back today

jones lost twice, to reyes and santos
he still the goat LHW

my point is that both jiri and hill have the ghost of glover as their best win, a guy that in his prime got beat up by jones, gus and rumble

LHW is much weaker now than it was then

Pereira can't go back and fight those guys. He can only beat who is in front of him. I personally think the current crop of LHW top 5 finishes guys like Machida and Shogun when they were in the UFC. Jiri in particular is a nightmare for Machida. Rampage is the most dangerous out of all the Pride guys because he can wrestle.

Jiri was still fighting in multi night tournaments.

Jones took a decade plus career to rack up all his wins. Alex did it in 2 years for 2 divisions.

Jones took longer to move up to heavyweight, than Alex's entire career.

 

[YSB]

Whaaaaat? Oh come on. Silva faced Demian Maia who was legit one of the best ground fighters in the world and made a fool out of him. He took on a murderer's row. Which made it all the more thrilling when someone finally beat him, because personally I couldn't stand the guy.

I think Pereira has been much more likeable and exciting during his run, but it's obviously not comparable to the one Anderson had. And probably never will be given that he's already 37.

 

[Rataria]

 

[mister piscadinha]

Pereira can't go back and fight those guys. He can only beat who is in front of him. I personally think the current crop of LHW top 5 finishes guys like Machida and Shogun when they were in the UFC. Jiri in particular is a nightmare for Machida. Rampage is the most dangerous out of all the Pride guys because he can wrestle.

Jiri was still fighting in multi night tournaments.

Jones took a decade plus career to rack up all his wins. Alex did it in 2 years for 2 divisions.

Jones took longer to move up to heavyweight, than Alex's entire career.

how is jiri a nightmare for machida?

he's a brawler who blocks punches with his face

prime machida was better everywhere

hill and jiri are untested at the highest level, their best wins are against old men

i get it, they're tall and have power
but machida, shogun, rampage and rashad were more skilled fighters

 

[Wonderfight]

Jan beat him in every kickboxing exchange too, won the leg kick battle, hurt his shins, blocked or slipped every left hook. There's a moment where he blocks then counter's Pereira's left hook then lands his own clean.

I agree, I was flabbergasted just how many clean head punches Jan landed on Perreira. Jan is underrated kickboxer, outskilled Izzy and Alex (Alex is controversial for some, but that is my opinion).