International Pelosi to potentially visit Taiwan, China threatens, Pelosi now has COVID and won't go

[deadon]

Pelosi needs to go to Taiwan. If she doesn’t, then it lets China know they have total control.

100% many are saying the same. They made a threat and we backed down.

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

she scared. not surprised

 

[PHATV]

She's still going as of now, right? This is referring to a previous trip she bowed out of when she got COVID?

I would agree that at this point, she's already laid her cards. She has to go. Backing out now...

 

[cottagecheesefan]

She's still going as of now, right? This is referring to a previous trip she bowed out of when she got COVID?

I would agree that at this point, she's already laid her cards. She has to go. Backing out now...

Yup, she originally planned a trip but got COVID. Now she has planned another trip. The timing now would be good as it would coincide with the bill related to chips and such and relocating some of that to America, among other things.

she is stubborn, so I am thinking she will follow through and go over. If so, props to her., and I hope she does. America has looked weak and feckless recently. Even all the Ukraine photo ops, which she did recently also, look pathetic like everyone wants to be a child and get their picture taken with santa

 

[Deorum]

Yup, she originally planned a trip but got COVID. Now she has planned another trip. The timing now would be good as it would coincide with the bill related to chips and such and relocating some of that to America, among other things. she is stubborn, so I am thinking she will follow through and go over. If so, props to her., and I hope she does. America has looked weak and feckless recently.

Pelosi is a lot of things but scared of the CCP isn't one of them, and you know this. She protested in the middle of Tiananmen Square as a US elected official and then went back to Mainland China as Speaker of the House to meet with human rights leaders in Shanghai, completely clowning on the Chinese government. They absolutely detest her more than any politician in US history. But she's scared of traveling to fucking Taiwan? lmao. A bunch of absolute goofballs in this thread talking utter nonsense. <45>

 

[Denter]

Pelosi is a lot of things but scared of the CCP isn't one of them, and you know this. She protested in the middle of Tiananmen Square as a US elected official and then went back to Mainland China as Speaker of the House to meet with human rights leaders in Shanghai, completely clowning on the Chinese government. They absolutely detest her more than any politician in US history. But she's scared of traveling to fucking Taiwan? lmao. A bunch of absolute goofballs in this thread talking utter nonsense. <45>

Yeah she seems to be a China hawk. Doubt the Chinese will do anything but complain.

 

[Deorum]

Yeah she seems to be a China hawk. Doubt the Chinese will do anything but complain.

Pelosi is nothing short of the most staunchly anti-CCP politician in American history and it could not be more clear.

She fought against both the H.W. Bush and Clinton administration(s) to revoke China's "most favored nation" trade status, opposed permanent normalized relations with the country, was the most vocal opponent of and voted against the PNTR bill in 2000 that all but approved the CCP joining the WTO. Pelosi opposed US corporate and government actions that enabled the Chinese Communist Party's rise at every turn. She straight up publicly annihilated Bill Clinton and his Admin all throughout the 1990s.

The problem is that she only had a small group of representatives on both sides of the aisle who co-signed, but they were overwhelmingly opposed by not only the White House - which wields enormous unilateral power on trade policy - but both chambers of Congress who did the bidding of capitalist class corporate masters at the expense of American (light) manufacturing and workers.

 

[HockeyBjj]

Pelosi supposed to make her trip now and of course China getting their panties in a bunch. US military and Biden warns against the trip, but others say she now has to go otherwise we are weak. Most importantly, Taiwan needs weapons







Is Kirby an idiot tho? Of couse China is not going to be helpful lol

If Pelosi visits Taiwan and recognizes Taiwan as not a part of China during her visit there, she’d have my full support for that

More anti China balls than any Republican politician has had for sure

 

[Deorum]

Yeah she seems to be a China hawk. Doubt the Chinese will do anything but complain.

Pelosi is nothing short of the most staunchly anti-CCP politician in American history and it could not be more clear.

She fought against both the H.W. Bush and Clinton administration(s) to revoke China's "most favored nation" trade status, opposed permanent normalized relations with the country, was the most vocal opponent of and voted against the PNTR bill in 2000 that all but approved the CCP joining the WTO. Pelosi opposed US corporate and government actions that enabled the Chinese Communist Party's rise at every turn. She straight up publicly annihilated Bill Clinton and his Admin all throughout the 1990s.

The problem is that she only had a small group of representatives on both sides of the aisle who co-signed, but they were overwhelmingly opposed by not only the White House - which wields enormous unilateral power on trade policy - but both chambers of Congress who did the bidding of capitalist class corporate masters at the expense of American (light) manufacturing and workers.

If Pelosi visits Taiwan and recognizes Taiwan as not a part of China during her visit there, she’d have my full support for that. More anti China balls than any Republican politician has had for sure

You should edit Cottage's thread title (he's on dubs).

Nancy "Foresight" Pelosi:

http://www.sfgate.com/news/amp/Feinstein-vs-Pelosi-Over-China-Issue-S-F-2977076.php

WASHINGTON -- Underscoring the great divide over U.S.-China policy, San Francisco's two most influential lawmakers in Washington are leading opposing sides as Congress prepares to vote today on China's trading status.

To Pelosi, it is reckless to grant full trading privileges to an oppressive state in the hope that it will translate into political freedom. "I don't believe in the concept of trickle-down liberty," she said yesterday in an interview. "Economic reform does not necessarily lead to political reform."

She also contends that China will never fully open its markets to U.S. goods unless it believes that Washington will retaliate for unfair trade practices, something she believes the United States has thus far shown little sign of doing.

The annual debate over China trade "has strengthened the administration's hand, increased its leverage" on such issues, Pelosi said. "The very fear of revocation has brought the Chinese to the negotiating table."

http://www.sfgate.com/hdn/hrlm/p/fastly_redirect.html?dm=https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Pelosi-on-China-A-voice-in-the-global-wilderness-3082494.php

CHINA -- It's not often that members of Congress find themselves running from police in foreign countries. But in September 1991, Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-San Francisco, had slipped out of her Beijing hotel room, with reporters and a crowd of curious followers in tow, and gone without official permission to Tiananmen Square.

Along with two other members of Congress, Pelosi unwrapped a banner that read, "To those who died for democracy in China." The decidedly undiplomatic delegation was immediately surrounded by police and Chinese "tourists" who pulled walkie-talkies from their backpacks.

Anybody watching Pelosi since San Francisco voters elected her to Congress in 1987 could find dozens of deliberate anti-China incidents orchestrated by the 58-year-old mother of five. She keeps a photo from the 1991 visit, displaying it occasionally on the floor of Congress.

Pelosi has emerged as a leading critic of the Chinese regime and of her own president, who she says has a bankrupt policy toward China. More often than not, she finds herself on the outside while Bill Clinton dines on chilled lobster with Chinese President Jiang Zemin.

While fellow Bay Area resident Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein was hosting a 1997 Blair House reception for her "oldest friend in China" - Jiang - Pelosi was across the street at a protest denouncing him as a despot.

"What do they expect me to say?" Pelosi asked. "That it's not OK for a Republican president to coddle dictators, but it's OK for a Democrat?"

http://www.sfgate.com/politics/amp/Clinton-pushes-hard-for-China-to-join-WTO-3066678.php

WASHINGTON --The opponents Clinton mentions are not congressional Republicans, but some of his own party's leaders in Congress. Two of the strongest foes of permanent normal trade relations with China are House Democratic Minority Whip David Bonior, D-Mich., and Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-San Francisco. Pelosi has said she has no major problems with China's entering the World Trade Organization, where it will be subject to international rules on trade. But she opposes giving up the right of Congress to review the country's trade status with China on a yearly basis.

"We all agree that it would be better to have China inside the WTO, complying with the rules, rather than the status quo of China on the outside violating its agreements with the United States," Pelosi said. "To date, however, the Chinese government has consistently failed to honor its signed bilateral agreements on trade and its international covenants on the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, and on human rights in China and Tibet. The Chinese government has no credibility and begs the question: Why should the United States grant permanent trade status on the basis of broken promises rather than proven performance?"

http://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2006-apr-20-oe-pelosi20-story.html

Today, President Bush will roll out the red carpet for Chinese President Hu Jintao, a leader whose government brutally crushes freedom, democracy and the religious expression of the Chinese and Tibetan people. Hu will receive the best welcome U.S. taxpayer money can buy, including full military honors and a 21-gun salute.

This is the same regime that provides military technologies to countries that threaten international security, including Iran and North Korea. The same regime that threatens Taiwan with a military attack, detains and tortures Chinese people for expressing their political and religious beliefs and arrests Tibetans for carrying a picture of the Dalai Lama.

While open dialogue is essential, many of us on both sides of the aisle in Congress oppose the celebratory nature of this official visit. This is not about isolationism. We must have engagement with China, but it should be sustainable engagement that enables us to maintain our values, continue our economic growth and uphold our national security.

Our growing national debt to China is a national security issue. Countries such as China that own our debt will soon not only be making our toys, our clothes and our computers, they will be making our foreign policy.

U.S. policy toward China is ineffective in upholding the pillars of our foreign policy -- promoting democratic freedom, stopping the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and growing our economy by promoting exports abroad. Instead, we have pursued trickle-down liberty -- promoting economic freedom first, assuming that political freedom will follow. Reality exposes this policy as the illusion it is.

Bush administration officials say they hope that China will become a “responsible stakeholder.” We should avoid wishful thinking. Beijing’s priority is regime security. Economic development, along with the harsh repression of its own citizens, are the means to maintain political power. Access to the U.S. market is central to Beijing’s strategy.

^ Damn.

http://pelosi.house.gov/news/press-...n-trump-administration-s-new-tariffs-on-china

“The report of the USTR investigation on China’s intellectual property theft is a good first step, but far more is need to confront the full range of China’s bad behavior. Beijing’s regulatory barriers, localization requirements, labor abuses, anticompetitive ‘Made in China 2025’ policy and many other unfair trade practices require a full and comprehensive response. The tariffs announced today should be used as a leverage point to negotiate more fair and open trade for U.S. products in China.”

People can see all of her official stances at the time:

http://pelosi.house.gov/sites/pelosi.house.gov/files/pressarchives/releases/mfn97.htm

http://pelosi.house.gov/sites/pelosi.house.gov/files/pressarchives/releases/mfn97pr.htm

http://pelosi.house.gov/sites/pelosi.house.gov/files/pressarchives/releases/prpla.htm

http://pelosi.house.gov/sites/pelosi.house.gov/files/pressarchives/releases/prclinch.htm

http://pelosi.house.gov/sites/pelosi.house.gov/files/pressarchives/releases/prnuke.htm

http://pelosi.house.gov/sites/pelosi.house.gov/files/pressarchives/releases/prchinla.htm

http://pelosi.house.gov/sites/pelosi.house.gov/files/pressarchives/releases/prmfn.htm

http://pelosi.house.gov/sites/pelosi.house.gov/files/pressarchives/releases/prclint.htm

http://pelosi.house.gov/sites/pelosi.house.gov/files/pressarchives/releases/prmfn798.htm

http://pelosi.house.gov/sites/pelosi.house.gov/files/pressarchives/releases/prchivot.htm

http://pelosi.house.gov/sites/pelosi.house.gov/files/pressarchives/releases/prxu.htm

http://pelosi.house.gov/sites/pelosi.house.gov/files/pressarchives/releases/prchirts.htm

http://pelosi.house.gov/sites/pelosi.house.gov/files/pressarchives/releases/prunchin.htm

http://pelosi.house.gov/sites/pelosi.house.gov/files/pressarchives/releases/przhu.htm

http://pelosi.house.gov/sites/pelosi.house.gov/files/pressarchives/releases/prntr.htm

http://pelosi.house.gov/sites/pelosi.house.gov/files/pressarchives/releases/prtibet.htm

http://pelosi.house.gov/sites/pelosi.house.gov/files/pressarchives/releases/prtibet.htm

http://pelosi.house.gov/sites/pelosi.house.gov/files/pressarchives/releases/prwto.htm

This Is A Matter Of Historical Record. Period.

 

[PrinceOfPain]

Some of the people making decisions in the West are absolutely fuck-tarded. You don't bluff the Chinese - they'll generally call your bluff, making you look weak when you're forced to back down.
Have these idiots not learned from the Ukraine conflict, that bluffing cannot be the core of your geopolitical strategy?

And what possible purpose did Pelosi think she was going to achieve by threatening to visit Taiwan? Does she still think it's the 90s, when the US could just float an aircraft carrier over there and force China to back down?

Some of these people need to pull their heads out of their asses and maybe not try dealing with geopolitical situations as though they're frat boys having a pissing contest.

 

[Rob Battisti]

As Patton said of Russia nearing the end of WWII, “fight them now or fight them later”. That’s coming close to my thoughts on China.

 

[Rholk]

As Patton said of Russia nearing the end of WWII, “fight them now or fight them later”. That’s coming close to my thoughts on China.

We never did go to war with the Soviets tho, so that probably spared some lives

 

[Deorum]

As Patton said of Russia nearing the end of WWII, “fight them now or fight them later”. That’s coming close to my thoughts on China.

I love the two-faced arguments being made over this. If Pelosi doesn't go, it's a sign of weakness and America is soft. If she does go, it's OMFG provocation and the US is so dangerous. It's kind of funny how Lady G and five other lawmakers just went over there in April without a hitch.

Pelosi occupies an entirely different space in this regime's head and that is laughably evident by how much they're flipping out and making threats. It's a lot more than the fact that she's the 3rd highest ranking official in the country, this is bad blood for over three decades. She may go out with a bang afterall, @Gunny. Or a boom, literally.

 

[Deorum]

 

[Rob Battisti]

We never did go to war with the Soviets tho, so that probably spared some lives

Did we not, though? If we kept rolling into Russia — would more or less lives have been saved or lost? Would the world be more or less safe today from nuclear annihilation?

 

[Rholk]

Did we not, though? If we kept rolling into Russia — would more or less lives have been saved or lost? Would the world be more or less safe today from nuclear annihilation?

We did not no, it would have cost millions and millions of lives.
You could argue that the quality of life and freedom would have been vastly better in Eastern Europe.
The threat of nuclear annihilation is what has prevented war between great powers for 70+ years now, not exactly perfect but still..

 

[Rob Battisti]

We did not no, it would have cost millions and millions of lives.
You could argue that the quality of life and freedom would have been vastly better in Eastern Europe.
The threat of nuclear annihilation is what has prevented war between great powers for 70+ years now, not exactly perfect but still..

It’s definitely a more nuanced question than that.

I don’t think it would have cost millions of lives or even close to that.

If we stop Russia from getting the bomb. No one else would get the bomb. And when only one country has the bomb, there is no threat to nuclear annihilation.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

If Pelosi visits Taiwan and recognizes Taiwan as not a part of China during her visit there, she’d have my full support for that

More anti China balls than any Republican politician has had for sure

Yea, I said a little later in the thread that I think she is going to go through with it now.

I love the two-faced arguments being made over this. If Pelosi doesn't go, it's a sign of weakness and America is soft. If she does go, it's OMFG provocation and the US is so dangerous. It's kind of funny how Lady G and five other lawmakers just went over there in April without a hitch.

Pelosi occupies an entirely different space in this regime's head and that is laughably evident by how much they're flipping out and making threats. It's a lot more than the fact that she's the 3rd highest ranking official in the country, this is bad blood for over three decades. She may go out with a bang afterall, @Gunny. Or a boom, literally.

I think part of it is Pelosi realizes Biden and his admin are incompetent with the situation right now. I think it is more than she is anti-China cause I do think her family is in bed with some of the CCP too, just like a lot of politicians. The problem I see that is occurring is the Chinese are getting bolder and bolder and are making their move to an extent in terms of trying to over take the US economically and/or minimizing US influence globally. I think Pelosi wants to put her foot down because they are disrupting the Liberal World Order as they have phrased it recently.

From the perspective of Pelosi and that uniparty (including MCconnell who backs her here), globalist establishment and their business allies, they got Trump out of there and now gonna stomp out the nationalists elsewhere, and want things to go back to the status quo, where the USA and to a lesser extent west gets to dictate the direction of globalism.

I think Xi and others see the weakness right now though in the US right now and are ready to kick the US to the curb, as being able to dictate everything. Pelosi and company do want a serfdom class or workers to service the elite, but as long as there is social and sexual equity and whatever, they will look like benevolent ruling class who's liberal ideals created a green utopia or peace and love and the serf class realizes these elites are their betters and are happy to give them the power to dictate life.

That is highlighted by the flying of the LGBTQANON flag in Kabul for virtue signaling as the Taliban began to steam roll to the capitol. Just like they focus on the LGBTQANON flag in Kiev as a symbol to stand up to Putin, as Russia gradually takes more and more land.

Xi and the CCP are likely even on board with the globalist, but rather than try and convince people they should eat bugs and don't need their own car, etc, they want to just force them and that's it. You saw the west try and do this with COVID too, but the people resisted too much, despite demonizing the people who resisted. The western elites are too scared to be open with their totalitarian tactics because that admits the Liberal World Order is nothing more than propaganda to make a totalitarian regime look like a Utopia where the elites are treated like demigods who are the arbitors of truth and justice.

yup, this just shows they are trying to make Pelosi look like a force and that she has leadership potential (in case Biden has to resign or something, plus he currently cannot offer any real leadership about anything, nor can Kamala). They are trying to have the plebs maintain some sort of faith in the Liberal World Order and that they is some leadership with these globalists.

I don't think it will work tho, as she is also too old, looks insane in press hearings the last couple years, etc. Xi is just going to laugh it off and will know this just shows how shook the US elites are right now and that US leadership is falling apart.

That is why Mike Pompeo, who is not even in office had to do a trip over there recently. Why? Because Biden's stooges are losers and are complete jokes to Xi and the CCP. This admin is such a joke.

Keep in mind at the G20, Blinken had a meeting just a week ago and during that meeting, the Chinese handed him a list of demands and than basically read a list of things the US has done over the years to cause international tension andconflict, etc, called the US liars. They did the exact same shit a year or whenever ago in Alska. And soyboy Blinken just eats it like a little shiteater.




Meanwhile at the same time, he confirms the west won't change Chinese-Russian relations.

 

[jimjamjammer]

Maybe she can share some stock tips with them!

 

[chardog]

COVID is like pink eye for kids, a convenient excuse for politicians to get out of a tough situation at work

covid is way less than pink eye, I had to get hospital treatment for my pink eye