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Social Pelosi’s house broken into, husband assaulted

Mr Holmes said:
San Fransisco is a crime-ridden dump that is full of crazies and drug addicts. I'll wait for more info before jumping on MAGA CTs.
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SF is a dump right now. They also have a HUGE estate in Napa Valley. Apparently this happened in SF. And was POLITICALLY motivated. With the perp screaming for Nancy.

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/10/28/us/pelosi-san-francisco-home-attack

PS - I'm not necessarily blaming someone of any particularly ideology or background for this. For all we know, it was some far left wack job who did it and not necessarily a MAGA chud. It could have been an Asian nut or a black nut or a white nut. The salient point is that it was a NUT of any stripe...

Apparently the suspect is 42-year-old David Depape. I'll try to research who he is as much as I can...

As far as I can tell, he's a former leftist who became alt-right recently...

Source:
He published multiple blogs laced with statements about the QAnon mass delusion, whose adherents believe former President Donald Trump stands against an alliance of Satan-worshipping Democratic :eek::eek::eek::eek:philes. The blog also included bigoted commentary directed at people of color, women, Jewish people, Muslims, members of the LGBTQ community and immigrants.

A WordPress blog that DePape maintained titled God Is Loving railed against censorship by an elite cabal of tech companies, government officials and media outlets. As recently as Aug. 25, DePape posted entries with such headlines as “Communist Voodoo Science” and “The Woke are racists with a guilty conscience.”
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https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/a...bout-David-DePape-man-accused-of-17542056.php
 
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ocean size said:
I think we can all agree that media coverage of crime drives much of our perception of it. There have been some notable differences in the nature of television media since the 70s, especially since the early 90s which I think was the peak of per capita crime rates in the US. Reporting has changed quite a bit with the rise of "action news" and later 24 hour news channels, and more recently of course the much different dynamics of social media. I'm not sure on hard numbers more recently but consider "From 1993 to 1996, the national murder rate dropped by 20%. During the same period, stories about murders on the ABC, NBC, and CBS network newscasts rose by 721%." Source Not surprisingly perhaps, at a time the crime rate was dropping steadily, a majority of people still thought it was on the rise:
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Honestly I haven't turned on television news for at least 15 years so I don't have much of a sense for this aspect of different traditional outlets but I wasn't intending to make a tribal/partisan argument. More just about the fact we humans instinctually rubberneck at car accidents + the media is profit-driven and profit comes from views, and increasingly so over time, especially with the rise of clickbait and algorithmic delivery of content on social media.

And I don't think it is unrelated that from 2001 up until 2020, a period where crime rates dropped and then stabilised, a majority of Americans polled thought crime was rising every single year.

On that topic though, there definitely is a partisan aspect to the perception of crime, which in and of itself doesn't indicate political media bias but makes sense based on who's team is in the white house. But the second graph is interesting though. As the article linked below points out, the end of Trump's term in 2020 was an outlier because rather than the normal shift in perception based on what party is in office, Republicans were as concerned with crime as they were when Obama was in office. Coverage was pretty consistent across networks at the time, but that changed in 2021.
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Different ways to interpret that so I'll just let it sit. one could argue coverage should reflect reality and violent crime like homicide is way overrepresented versus reality but I reckon the correct amount of media crime coverage is to some degree a value judgement.

This was all I was saying with the original post, 1. Media coverage of crime does not track actual crime rates (for various reasons); 2. Media coverage influences people's perception of crime; and 3. there's something important to consider there and not just in the sense of it giving people the "wrong" perception.
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I think the perception changing in 2021, is more due to some brain dead Democrat criminal justice policies that are attributing to crime in certain areas. Collective stats are nice and all, but everyone sees unforced errors, and they're gonna stick out more than the status quo(especially when people are dying because of them). Even if one were to argue that crime stats aren't as alarming as they're made out to be, an argument will be made that they don't need to be what they are, because of the crimes that are being committed by would be jailed felons, who wouldn't have been able to commit those crimes, if they weren't treated with kid gloves in the first place.

The messaging and real world policies of the left, are helping the right make their argument about crime being, at the very least, a whole lot worse than it would be. I mean, the Wisconsin DA even said that his radical policies will likely result in some deaths. That's not a price people are willing to pay for an experimental program in the criminal justice system. It's not a new ice cream flavor. Non-criminals aren't gonna just let it slide when they're attacked by some multiple felon who is on the streets because of some leftist criminal justice reform experiment, and the people reading about it aren't going to, either.
 
Halloween Jack said:
This turned out to be 100% accurate. He was screaming "where's Nancy?" as he entered the house...

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/10/28/us/pelosi-san-francisco-home-attack

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/a...bout-David-DePape-man-accused-of-17542056.php

He's an alt-right Q Anon guy.
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Obviously a very deranged individual, and whether he was an extreme leftist or extreme rightest, it's very clear most recently he was incredibly influenced by the worst right wing propaganda out there.

These people just don't want to admit it because they believe the same exact shit to the letter. They're just too cowardly to ever do something so aggressive.

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HereticBD said:
I think the perception changing in 2021, is more due to some brain dead Democrat criminal justice policies that are attributing to crime in certain areas. Collective stats are nice and all, but everyone sees unforced errors, and they're gonna stick out more than the status quo(especially when people are dying because of them). Even if one were to argue that crime stats aren't as alarming as they're made out to be, an argument will be made that they don't need to be what they are, because of the crimes that are being committed by would be jailed felons, who wouldn't have been able to commit those crimes, if they weren't treated with kid gloves in the first place.

The messaging and real world policies of the left, are helping the right make their argument about crime being, at the very least, a whole lot worse than it would be. I mean, the Wisconsin DA even said that his radical policies will likely result in some deaths. That's not a price people are willing to pay for an experimental program in the criminal justice system. It's not a new ice cream flavor. Non-criminals aren't gonna just let it slide when they're attacked by some multiple felon who is on the streets because of some leftist criminal justice reform experiment, and the people reading about it aren't going to, either.
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I lived through the most violent time in our nation's history, the 1980s and '90s. It's not nearly as bad now as it was then. People have rose-tinted glasses and think everything was idyllic back then. It wasn't. Life is simply safer and more convenient now. You can get whatever you want at the click of a button...

PS - I live in one of the most liberal/leftist areas of the US and things are great here. I don't live in California. I think that place has issues that go WAY beyond partisan politics... Not every Democrat leaning place is a shit hole. Some, like where I live, are truly great. January 20,1981-January 20, 1993, when crime peaked, was when we had 12 straight years of right-wing Republican rule. Democrat Bill Clinton oversaw safe and peaceful times and gave us a surplus instead of a deficit for once!
 
Lowmanproblems said:
This is the state of modern politics. I cant hardly blame anyone when the crazy shit someone is repeating came from mainstream news sources.
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Might be wrong because I'm not watching US news live or anything, but every time it veers towards CT territory, it's a Republican representative rather than (specifically) an MSM presenter breaking out the nonsensical rhetoric.

Aside from that one Fox dude who said most people are getting hit with hammers (I think he meant "getting hammered" but misspoke lol), and that therefore this was a pretty low level crime (lol)
 
Andy Capp said:
So, by "perhaps", do you concede they aren't intentionally laying the groundwork for a particular narrative other than pointing to the fact it being the Pelosi residence greatly increases the odds it was a politically motivated attack? You implied some kind of "leftist MSM shenanigans". Do you now agree that, personally distasteful to you or not, it's not nefarious?
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Hard to say. I grew up under the fairness doctrine in news and just liked the reporting not speculating.... I am honest in here and can't say definitively the persons motives.. and I know conservative news does the same crap. I just want to go back to a time where we hear WHAT HAPPENED. No speculation or commentary. I get if law inforcement states it and the reporter reports that. Those are the facts... I could care less about the reporters opinion....
 
HereticBD said:
I think the perception changing in 2021, is more due to some brain dead Democrat criminal justice policies
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Gotta love it, there was an interesting conversation to be had about the interaction between perception & human biases, media, and reality that is only kinda related to politics and bam fuck that beeline for the simple partisan explanation that's tangentially related.

Non-criminals aren't gonna just let it slide when they're attacked by some multiple felon who is on the streets because of some leftist criminal justice reform experiment
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Let's grant you are absolutely correct here. Further we can pretending all bar brawls, domestic violence, gang battles all fit the bill as non-criminals attacked by criminals released unjustly by leftists, at a current rate of 400/100k, that's a little under 2% of the population affected in the past five years. The majority of people aren't attacked by leftist-created felons.

The whole point is the majority of people can only go off their perception. That perception is undeniably driven by media coverage. Now, if you insist on forcing it into a partisan lens, even liberal rags like NYT overrepresent homicide relative to other causes of death by 3100%.

Then despite criminal justice reform efforts occurring for several years, one media outlet has a huge uptick in crime coverage in 2021 versus 2020 despite no real change in crime rates. It is fine if you think that 4% of that channel's 15 min segments mentioning crime is the right amount of coverage. But I bet you weren't complaining in 2020 that they were downplaying crime when they were consistent with other media outlets and only 1% of segments mentioned it.

I'm not even arguing against whatever your grievance exactly is — felons not getting a life sentence bc of a 3rd strike of receiving stolen goods or whatever. We can grant that is a huge issue but it doesn't change the fact media is a key moderator of perceptions of crime nationally nor the relative importance of crime as a political issue, since that's what you want to talk about. After all, scaring the shit out of boomers through the television is great for business.
 
Halloween Jack said:
I lived through the most violent time in our nation's history, the 1980s and '90s. It's not nearly as bad now as it was then. People have rose-tinted glasses and think everything was idyllic back then. It wasn't. Life is simply safer and more convenient now. You can get whatever you want at the click of a button...

PS - I live in one of the most liberal/leftist areas of the US and things are great here. I don't live in California. I think that place has issues that go WAY beyond partisan politics... Not every Democrat leaning place is a shit hole. Some, like where I live, are truly great.!
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I think your perception of CA and SF more specifically is influenced by a lot of bullshit. SF is a great place to live and go to. The main issue is cost (median house in the city is around $1.5M last I checked, with equivalent rent values). And they do need a lot more construction. But it's a beautiful city, great entertainment, great food, great economy, great culture, etc.
 
Cajun said:
Hard to say. I grew up under the fairness doctrine in news and just liked the reporting not speculating.... I am honest in here and can't say definitively the persons motives.. and I know conservative news does the same crap. I just want to go back to a time where we hear WHAT HAPPENED. No speculation or commentary. I get if law inforcement states it and the reporter reports that. Those are the facts... I could care less about the reporters opinion....
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More complicated reasons for change. There's a lot good stuff in here on the issue:

https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/how-stewart-made-tucker
 
Jack V Savage said:
I think your perception of CA and SF more specifically is influenced by a lot of bullshit. SF is a great place to live and go to. The main issue is cost (median house in the city is around $1.5M last I checked, with equivalent rent values). And they do need a lot more construction. But it's a beautiful city, great entertainment, great food, great economy, great culture, etc.
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I'm familiar with California. I do think they need to correct some things there. I don't buy the right-wing narratives, but there are clearly some issues there, and not just right wingers are complaining or leaving...
 
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